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19. March 2009 @ 08:44 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The HD4830s just use GDDR3, but are currently only $100-$110, some with rebates to get them down to $85.
The HD4850s are only $130, and outpace even the 9800GTX+, but still use GDDR3.
The HD4870s are where GDDR5 begins, at $165 ($155 after MIR for two brands)
Core 2 Extreme chips have unlocked multipliers like Black editions, and you know how well the Core 2s overclock on a pre-volts basis. The unlocked multiplier removes the biggest costraint to overclocking a Core 2 - the motherboard's FSB limitations. I believe they top out at 10.5x multiplier. Since X38/X48 boards can push up to 455FSB, and P45s up to 500, I'll let you do the maths!
Ultimately AMD is the cheapest way of getting a quad core, but really, if there's any point in you having a quad core, you need to get a better one, either a Phenom II or a Core 2 Quad.
That's the problem tho there's no real point in a quad since not alot of programs bother utilizing it, you are still better off maximizing price/cost and waiting for better hardware to become cheaper and more widely used. There is just no point in spending the 500$+ for a CPU/mobo when 300$ish is all you really need to spend since in a year that 500$ worth of stuff will come down to 250 and you will see what the better hardware advancements have brought.
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19. March 2009 @ 08:48 |
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Perhaps not for your purposes, but for video editors they're a godsend, and for dual graphics gamers like me they're also a godsend (also, GTA4 can only be played on a Quad core above minimum settings)
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19. March 2009 @ 13:09 |
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I was gonna argue AMD were cheaper but there not.....
I don't think I was reading the whole processor name when I posted this.. (I must have simply discover Intel core DUO's are cheaper then Phenom X4's which makes sense)
In the UK at the moment
A Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz is £10 less then an AM3 Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz
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A Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz is £6 more then an AM2+ Phenom II X4 940 3GHz
As for i7's Intel are taking the mickey £460 for a square of metal....
I'm not sure whether the general Intel fasterness make these prices more sensible to other people but to me they seem stupid.
and even then I have an AM3 compatible motherboard (which I bought because a 3GHz core 2 duo was DOUBLE the price of my 3GHz Athlon X2 at the time and AMD boards were cheaper)
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19. March 2009 @ 13:31 |
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In general, a 2.66Ghz Core 2 Quad is toe to toe with a 3Ghz Phenom II. From what I've seen there is a slight advantage to the Core 2. Therefore, a Q8200 and 810 will also probably be on similar ground, and as you see the Intel is cheaper, not to mention not needing pricey DDR3 RAM.
The i7 940 might be £460, but the i7 920 is half that, right on par with the Q9400, which is good, because that's its weakest real rival (the 920 fares a lot better than the Q9400 in many apps, but in games there's not much between them). It's only the motherboards for i7 that are expensive, and with the advent of boards like the EX58-UD3R that's a moot point as they cross over perfectly. You're not getting any less board for your £170 with the i7s, there just aren't any basic ones.
A 3Ghz core 2 duo is indeed twice the price of a 3GHz AMD, because it absolutely destroys it performance-wise. Not double, but you rarely pay double and get double performance in the PC component industry, I'm sure you realise that. Overall the 6000+ sits second fiddle to the 2.53Ghz E5200, which is really a budget chip, and a darn good one as well. A £60 board could easily get it to 3.6Ghz at which point it beats pretty much all the triple core Phenoms in multithreaded apps. Intel's flagship dual core the E8600 can be pretty easily clocked to 4.3Ghz, and at such speeds it beats a lot of the quad core phenoms. Now imagine two of those chips slapped together, i.e. the Q9650. Beginning to see why it's worth the money?
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19. March 2009 @ 13:53 |
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I'm not sure what to say now......other then yes
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19. March 2009 @ 14:02 |
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Basically what I'm trying to say is that while AMD CPUs aren't especially bad value, there's never a case where they're an any better option than using Intel. Given that Intel CPUs are far more power efficient and therefore don't get as hot, I never have any reason to recommend them.
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19. March 2009 @ 14:10 |
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Intel CPUs are far more power efficient and therefore don't get as hot
Amen to that my Athlon x2 is substantially hotter across the board then a 3.0GHz P4 (that seems to be used in most of the heat tests on case reviews and in a decent board with decent other components has proved to be rather epically fast) I had before.
which side am I on???
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19. March 2009 @ 14:34 |
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The P4s were among Intel's worst CPUs as far as heat is concered. Believe it or not, even though they have 4 cores versus 1, newer Core 2 Quads run cooler than the old P4s did.
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19. March 2009 @ 14:36 |
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I tell you what as soon as I get sufficient cash my sigs getting changed...
this thread has become quite expensive for me....
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19. March 2009 @ 14:37 |
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Haha. I used to be an avid AMD supporter back in the Athlon XP and X2 days, but nowadays there's no denying the reality of the situation. Still partial to AMD's graphics though, despite the terrible drivers.
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19. March 2009 @ 14:43 |
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I'm using pre-release ones because of seven beta so can't really comment
-24x AA is a con and doesn't exist
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19. March 2009 @ 14:46 |
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Not off the bat. Go to the Anti-Aliasing section of Catalyst Control Center. Set the Filter to 'Narrow Tent' and then drag the slider across. I think you may be limited to 16x with a single GPU, but I'm not certain about this. Either way, in my mind, 8xAA is usually plenty.
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19. March 2009 @ 14:51 |
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ahhh with filter on edge-detect it samples at 24x which is right--I think
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Possibly. I haven't looked much into it as the performance drop is vast.
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19. March 2009 @ 15:32 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Haha. I used to be an avid AMD supporter back in the Athlon XP and X2 days, but nowadays there's no denying the reality of the situation. Still partial to AMD's graphics though, despite the terrible drivers.
Ya those were the best ADM days but once the D2C came out as refined tech unlike the core duos ADM has not quite caught back up to the over all performance offered by intel CPUs within a 100$ gap.
Thats why I went with a C2D setup from a 939 X2, I saw the writing on the wall and decided to go with a platform I could upgrade over the years that would save me money and be pure performance for what little I spend on it.
I still can't belive I sold off my 3800X2 CPU,solid copper zalman heat sink and dfi lan party 939 board for 270$ acouple years back!
If it were not for that I could not afford to go C2D :P
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19. March 2009 @ 15:35 |
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Zippy, please don't take offense at this, none is intended, but are you dyslexic? I'm guilty of being over-critical of a lot of people who don't take the time to spellcheck posts, but obviously if you are then I'd be unfair to criticise.
Sounds like a very similar build to the one I had, an X2 4200+ and a Zalman CNPS7000...
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19. March 2009 @ 15:36 |
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glad you asked sammorris I was about to put tht..
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19. March 2009 @ 15:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Zippy, please don't take offense at this, none is intended, but are you dyslexic? I'm guilty of being over-critical of a lot of people who don't take the time to spellcheck posts, but obviously if you are then I'd be unfair to criticise.
Sounds like a very similar build to the one I had, an X2 4200+ and a Zalman CNPS7000...
Worse dyslexia+dyspraxia I is screwed... LOL
be thankful Firefox's puny spellchecker picks out what it dose :P
Missing a word or 2 is normal for me..well..missing...and mispelled...and... LOL
its a wonder I do do this
http://www.youtube.com/user/Zippydastrange
or
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/skins-alive/
without dividing by zero and ending the world...or bearing the wrath of the net when asking how to do this stuff... LOL
gaa I haz burned out my welcome at some modding forums :P
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Ah right, yeah that must be horrible. I was partially dispraxic as a child, I'm better now, but still don't have particularly great co-ordination in anything I haven't heavily practiced.
By the way, loving the UT04 minigun skins.
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19. March 2009 @ 16:30 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Ah right, yeah that must be horrible. I was partially dispraxic as a child, I'm better now, but still don't have particularly great co-ordination in anything I haven't heavily practiced.
By the way, loving the UT04 minigun skins.
Dosent help starting in 5th grade I was given the answer books so I didn't "bother" the teachers anymore. 0-o
Now I am 30 something living with grandmother because the last 10 years or so have been hell dad lost his job in 94 or so house fire in 96,sewer flood and lose of new home, being evicted in 04 when mom was found to have cancer then mom and dad dieing 9 months apart in 05, the more one tries(or dose for you yoda fans :P) the more one fails... life is well...annoying 0-o
Finished off a new skin a week ago
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/z...humber-beta.jpg
and the one before that is a a humor based pink variant,http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zippydsmlee/Zippylabs/Humper-new.jpg
I dunno if I can change the shield color as there is alot of rigging for the animation and I don't think I can handle it.
For the last couple of eyars I have been writing heavily on and off to try and understand how my brain/mind combo handles information nd organization.
Resulting in me working on something I have tried to put to paper for the last 20 years or so.
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/writing...9-mini-version/
I wrote out a couple chapters for the beginning and put them on my DA page, as I have been musing and developing it and working on various other limited one shot story ideas I have found a some of the issues I have in writing besides a vague sense my grammar/spelling is kaput I like the ramble when I write which makes the expositive style of writing I lean to that much more messy/draggy.
Oh I got a couple commissions going of my characters, I can shoot you some links to it and the chapters if you are interested my creative skills are like manure it sticks but has potential :P
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