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MoZo1
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13. June 2005 @ 05:53 |
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I have got a DVD eg. a month ago: The Requiem. It released eg. 2005 or the end of 2004. I couldn't copy it with the Decrypter then with DVD Shrink and others too. I have got too much I/O Error mesage or something. I tryed to Ignore them, but the result didn't work. The DVD seemed new, it didn't have any scratches. And now the strangest thing: the DVD was printed (or something, =original not writed) and it didn't have any protection even region code. Original DVD without any protection? Now I have seen another, the Sensation Black or something, it's a record of a concert, and it do the same without I/O error. I can only copy it with my friend's computer with a complet SCSI copy. I can play it, I cannot copy it, and the worst thing is that, that I have got the original to copy because my friend cannot play it with his DVD-player. Even if I use SCSI copy, he will not be able to see it.
Have you ever seen same? Have you got any info? Thanks for any help!
And sorry for my english!
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Gringle
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13. June 2005 @ 06:00 |
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AnyDVD came up with a new update in the middle of the night, UK time, so's somethings up?
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13. June 2005 @ 06:10 |
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@gringle
Yeah, saw the update for AnyDVD not sure what that is all about, maybe this one now really works, have a good one :~)
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Car.Mike
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13. June 2005 @ 09:00 |
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MoZo1,
Can you give us the whole error message. If you are getting and I/O error during ripping then there is a problem w/ either the disk or your computer. I/O errors are usually concerned w/ the computer and this is why we need the whole error log . If you tried DVDDecrypter then re-post the DVDDecrypter error log here for us to look at.
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squizzle
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13. June 2005 @ 15:02 |
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I/O errors are usually concerned w/ the computer
I always thought i/o errors most of the time were because of the disc being messed up, even though the error makes you think it's computer related.
have you backed up any other dvds successfully? That would rule out computer problems (as long as you're using the same method of course). Not too sure what you mean by SCSI copy either, but I'm assuming you mean copied using a SCSI drive??
Can you get your computer to recognize the disc at all? If you can see it in Windows Explorer and it's not encrypted, you should be able to copy and paste onto your hard drive and work from there.
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Car.Mike
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13. June 2005 @ 15:20 |
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squizzle,
I thought so too but read on another forum that is no longer in existence due to Macrovision that it usually is the Computer but it could be the disk. That is why I covered my rear and said it could be both but is usually the computer. The person that made the quote wrote a certain program and God knows he knows more than I do.
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Gringle
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13. June 2005 @ 15:42 |
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I think ?? from most common/knowledge I/O erorrs result from a conflict
either in the hardware .ie. PC or the phericals, programs,media etc.......... gotta go with squizzle on this Mike
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Car.Mike
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13. June 2005 @ 16:12 |
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Lost another. LOL
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13. June 2005 @ 23:20 |
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hi all
I/O usually is the app doesnt like the disc...
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I can play it, I cannot copy it, and the worst thing is that, that I have got the original to copy because my friend cannot play it with his DVD-player
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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MoZo1
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15. June 2005 @ 06:11 |
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Please! I'am not completly noob. (Or at least I hope so. :) )
First: The SCSI copy is a program (internal command in the Linux) what can copy HDD DVD disc or anything bit to bit between SCSI drives. I don't know it, my frind has a company computer with double layer DVD writer and a lot of SCSI drive. He is professional in SCSI and he said me that he can copy anything from bit to bit with them and then he done it.
Second: There is an original printed disc without any seen protection (even region code). It is a new disc. An old desktop players cannot play it. I can play it with my computer, but I cannot decrypt it. I tryed it with my mother's computer(has a diferent drive): same error. I have tryed it with other programs(like DVD shrink), same error and the result cannot be played. The complet copy of it has the same propertys.
The second disk I have seen had only one layer. It has the same propetys except I/O error.(It was a lot of simple read error, then: "Huh, too much I/O error, logging stopped." or something.) Now SCSI copy was easyer(and cheaper) because of the only one layer. Now I have rented the Requiem(region2 lang. set) once more, and tryed it with the desktop player: don't work. What a surprise?
I have read once that there is a protection on Resident Evil 2 what do I/O errors with Decrypter and can be copyed with the DVD Shrink. I have never seen that DVD. I'am intrigued that is the Decrypter see any protection(at least region code) on it or not?
So: Have you seen original prited discs without protection? Have you ever copyed the Requiem(2004 or 2005)? Do you know anything about such a protection?
Thank you for any help!
*Appended: And I've forgotte'n the most necessary thing: When I couldn't decrypt it I have tryed to simply copy the files: resoult don't work, but not I/O error. (But the SCSI copy...)
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MoZo1
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16. June 2005 @ 11:04 |
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Sorry for the double posting, but I have to know...
I see, nobody have exact info, but:
Have you ever seen original printed disc without any(even reg.code) protection? If yes, was it a new(2004-) film and did you tryed to use Decrypter or Shrink and did you see the same? Sorry for double posting again and a very big thank you for anybody who can give me some info!
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Car.Mike
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16. June 2005 @ 17:45 |
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MoZo1 ,
When you posted the Linux mention I think that stopped most of us as we use Windows. Sorry but I know nothing about a Linux system.
Yes I have seen original disks w/o encryption but not on a commerical movie. If there is no encryption then all you have to do in Windows is a diskcopy. I have no idea how to correct your problem using a Linux system
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16. June 2005 @ 23:11 |
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@MoZo1 - i do dabble in Linux as much as i can, but am much more familiar with Unix (Solaris specifically). However i am still struggling to follow any of your posts :)
If it's a program you're using called SCSI copy i certainly haven't come across it before, the only dvd (or cd) burning i/we do at work under Linux is troublesome at best. We use k3b, but like most things Linux you have to fight to make the simplest things work or you have to jump thru 500 hoops to use anything without fuss. (i guess i been spoilt by Solaris and Microsoft stuff). k3b adjusts the speed throughout the burn which is damn annoying, but i digress, i haven't the patience to go thru all the setup hassles.
Anyway, are you talking about Linux ?, your English is fine, but i'm struggling to keep up with you :)
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MoZo1
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17. June 2005 @ 06:43 |
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Thank you for complimenting my english. I have almost fail my final exam. And I don't know Linux too, so you cannot understand it because I cannot too. My friend was who have done it and I just know what he told. Maybe it is not an internal command, I don't know, but he can copy even protected games :). I think, now he is using Red Hot. He told me that all copy protection uses that the IDE drives cannot read and write from bit to bit, but SCSI can do. (As I know, now the new Securom have found a new way.)
And why is this important:
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If there is no encryption then all you have to do in Windows is a diskcopy.
You are almost there. And if Window's diskcopy (I have only tryed to copy the files, make .iso and mount it with the Daemon. It works with unprotected DVDs.) don't work, there is a protection. If the decrypting programs don't see it, they don't know it. If this is a new protection, it may be that some old players don't work. (And what about them? Thanks for the makers!) And just an interesting thing that I have ever seen only twice a commercial disc without any protection and both of them was uncopyable like a protected one.
I don't know diskcopy, but if it's a normal copy, it wouldn't work, if it can do so tough copy that it copy the protection(I guess, there is a one.), it would be the same result as the SCSI copy, so anyhow there wouldn't be surprise. My idea is that that the protection is the usual, but it can be hiden somehow from decrypters so they don't use a key to decrypt. Sry, but I don't know much about DVD protections.
And thank you for reply!
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squizzle
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17. June 2005 @ 07:13 |
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safedisc and securerom?? Only programs I know that can copy this over is Alcohol 120% and Blindwrite. Never used Blindwrite, but I have used A120 and I believe their latest version just added DVD support.
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MoZo1
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17. June 2005 @ 12:48 |
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Please, this is not the right topic for this, but:
The new securom use a technic where the disc is printed with non-default spiral track. When you buy a CD, you have the spiral track and you can write only into it. On the original disc a part of this track is divided in twain and the drive randomly reads them. The ratio of the reads depends of that how the 2 track divided. The program uses this ratio to identify the original disc.
There are 3 (2 in my opinion) way to bypass this:
-An original seeming copy can be writed if the divided sectors have been written several times onto the disc according to the ratio. This works on cheap drives but good drives (like Plextor) is recognize this and take as a read error.
-A program can write this ratio to a file then simulate it in a virtual drive. (like Daemon tools)
-And what I cannot understand: The Alcohol can write a disc where this ratio is stored in a special sector only readable for Alcohol. This makes you necessary to put the disc into the drive you like to use the game but an Alcohol must run in the background too.
I don't know how, but in all forum every member always react to that phrase to what I wait least to all. But thank you for reply.
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17. June 2005 @ 12:57 |
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right, im flagging as am being worn down on another thread..
let's rewind this whole thing, i think i'm with you now. download dvdinfopro (free) from here - http://www.dvd-recordable.org/wwwimgs/media/dvdinfo.htm - get the version with adverts.
Run the troublesome disc thru it - we need to try two things -
1/ do a media info check (2nd icon from top left of dvdinfopro and paste details here)
then run a crc check (check for errors) on the disc (6th icon from top left of dvdinfopro)
let's prove once and for all if the disc has corruption (crc errors)
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squizzle
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17. June 2005 @ 16:59 |
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OK, I'm not sure if I'm understanding this properly, but are you saying that you can copy a securerom protected disc with A120, but in order to play it back you need A120 running in the background? That sounds a little fishy to me. I've never backed up a Securerom disc (those are usually PC games) but I've done Safedisc protected discs (Doom 3) with A120 without a hitch, they work just fine and I uninstalled A120 completely from my PC. And A120 works better on the Securerom discs than the Safedisc discs from what I've been hearing. Not trying to argue (I hope you don't think that that's what I'm trying to do) but it just doesn't sound right to me.
But like it was said before, I'm using Windows and I have no knowledge of Linux.
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MoZo1
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17. June 2005 @ 18:53 |
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Always that parse...
Squizzle: Yes the Alcohol can write in other ways but this is an option what it (and only the A120) recommend you to do when your drive is not supported. And this is what I cannot understand because the A120 can do great images and can greatly mount them too.
Creaky: I didn't copyed myself the discs, so I could rent the Requiem. (I tought that I would be able to decrypt them soon.) You say just that I should check for read errors a disc what can be played flawlesly, can be copyed flawlesly (without the protection) and cannot be decrypted because it seems not protected but it is a commercial DVD. If it satisfy you, I searched for scratches on it of course, and the PlexTools (I have Plextor writer) has a I/O error check utility, I have used that. It seemed that the disc is clean and not too old.
When I posted this topic, I tought that this is not an unknown thing. Now I have enough from this like when I take it back. If somebody have some idea what can be give new info, I will rent it again.And thanks for replying so far! And sry if I have forgotten something, I'am sleepy now.
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17. June 2005 @ 21:46 |
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hi
securom needs emulation software which alochol and blindwrite has, as securom you cant do a 1 to 1 perfect copy, or thats how it used to be, havent used blindwrite for a while now...
also with blindwrite its better if you use a BWL made up file when burning back, a sort of MDS file of sorts...there used to be an app bwl builder for getting the least peaks in the graph then you burn these 3 files back to a cdr, and the use of the emulator of course would allow playing your copy...
also cant remeber if it was safedisc or securom that the disc needed to be played from a NON burner drive! as the disc knows its in a burner and wont play...
sorry its been awhile on games copying, but shoey the mod up on cdr sections knows his stuff, we both used to test drives and games couple years back...
i think i still got the BWL files for GTA vice city kicking about somwhere?
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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18. June 2005 @ 01:49 |
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sorry if i was completely off target with the dvdinfo/checking disc stuff, but as i said before i am having trouble understanding the problem or problems here.
As to the secureom stuff it's been a couple years since i used to be into PC game copying (quite heavily into it, i just can't remember now. i used to mainly use www.gamecopyworld.com for *cough* game 'patches'* cough*)
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MoZo1
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18. June 2005 @ 07:34 |
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Now I have realized that I don't have a problem. I have a mystery. The next time, if I will have time (not within 1 month), I will post only images (and firs the cover of the DVD) to enjoy it! Now I'am sure, I will have a great succes!
If you like dvdinfo/checking disc stuffs, visit http://www.plextools.com/ and see the support too!
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