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stockinv
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24. July 2005 @ 14:16 |
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My computer is a Dell which has a DVD+R drive. I am using DVD-R discs. I copied a movie using shrink and decrypter and it works fine in some of my dvd players, but won't work on my highest quality dvd player, an Integra 10.5. I believe the Integra only plays -R discs, but some have said it will play +R, too. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get my dvd's to play on my Integra?
Will using +R discs solve my problem?
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24. July 2005 @ 14:39 |
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stockinv
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24. July 2005 @ 14:54 |
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My player wasn't listed there. I'm wondering if I should try another type of dvd disc. Or perhaps a +R disc on my +R computer.
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24. July 2005 @ 14:58 |
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It seems the more expensive the player is, the more fussy it is.
Yes I would try another brand of disc,and go with the +r.
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24. July 2005 @ 15:07 |
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My computer is a Dell which has a DVD+R drive
Since you are burning dash format,it must be a dual format burner?
What's the exact model name and # of that burner in your dell?
What's the exact brand name and speed rate of your blank dvd-r's?
Some burners,examples: benq,plextor,nec,lg,and lite-on can be book-type the plus media to dvd-rom-making them more compatable.I play my backups on all sorts of ps2's,stand alones, and pc drives and the booktyped dvd-rom backups outperform my dash backups from my benq's.
Just because a player says it will play a certain format is not true. Some of them are very sensitive to different burners.I have 2 benq's that play just about anywhere after I booktype them. I had another I/O magic 16x that had a lot of trouble playing it's backups on the exact same standalones.The dash format far outperformed the booktyped dvd-rom by a mile, off of that I/O burner.I need close to 100% compatability.That is why I have 3 burners sitting around in boxes.HP 640c lightscribe being the latest.
Get back with your burner model. Dell usually puts a lot of phillips burners in them.Many dell customers had them replaced with nec's.Major issues on the phillips.
Definitely try the plus format. Since it sounds like you have a dual format burner,you'll have more flexibility of finding the right format for that Integra player. Some players are also very sensitive to certain media brands.Usually the fancier/higher $ players have the most trouble. A $30-$40 player usually plays everything,very ironic aye!
BTW, If you have a local staples: The +8x fuji's are on sale-spindle of 30 for $9.94. These are made by taiyo yuden. Try a spindle of these and it will help eliminate the possibility of quality media issue.
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stockinv
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24. July 2005 @ 18:28 |
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You're right. It's a Phillips DVD+-RW 8631. The speed rate is 8X and the brand is Memorex.
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25. July 2005 @ 05:10 |
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First thing to do stockinv is to identify which memorex you have.They have several different manufacturers and use a lot of the poorer ones like c-magnetics.
Download this free handy tool and let us know the manufacturer ID code:
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_tools/dvd_id...
Try burning one of them at the slowest speed they allow.
I'm not sure if that model is capable of book-typing that plus media to dvd-rom.
If that backup that was burned at a slower speed doesn't play in that integra player,then try another quality brand in the plus format like those fuji +8x,maxell +4x/+8x,or sony +1x-8x.These work excellent for me.
Or you could also try the dash format. Those fujis are very good that I posted earlier in the dash.Also maxell -8x,sony -1x-8x,and tdk's are very good in the dash format.
Notice I didn't list any tdk plus format,they also use cmags on some of their plus format media.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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stockinv
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30. July 2005 @ 10:56 |
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Since my dvd player specs say it plays -R, I'm going to try a different brand -R disc and see if that works.
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30. July 2005 @ 12:36 |
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I couldn't locate the actual specs,but that baby looks very sweeeet and pricey!All I saw was VIDEO-DVD. Can't tell if that means dash because it also said AUDIO-DVD.Most specs will say dvd-rom/dvd-r/rw/dvd+r/rw.
Is your phillips dvd drive still under warranty?
It's a newer player,so rule of thumb is plus format.Booktyped plus format media would be even better.I've seen many player specs stating they won't play a certain format and I proved them wrong.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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30. July 2005 @ 21:56 |
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>>>>My player wasn't listed there. <<<<
Hmmm... can you please post the exact make and model of your standalone DVD player, so we can check and see what its abilities are, and also see if we can dig up some information on what sorts of discs others might have had success playing on it?
Thanks.
-Bruce
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30. July 2005 @ 23:52 |
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It would be nice to know that model number. The DPS series seems to be set up to play both + and -R media. Not so with all of the DPC it seems. Onkyo is a top brand, but they didn't make a big point in making some of their models compatible with a lot of media formats. Since this seems to be a compatibility issue, you simply need to record in a compatible format using good media. No big mystery on that. If you're worried about a drive on the PC, you can check it with utilities like those in Nero or download and use the free version of SiSoft Sandra. What did Integra support have to say?
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stockinv
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31. July 2005 @ 05:57 |
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The DPS 10.5 manual says it plays DVD-R/RW discs. However, I've read where some have successfully played +R.
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31. July 2005 @ 06:31 |
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If your standalone is the Integra DPS 1.5, then it appears that the machine IS supoosed to be able to be able to play both DVD-R and DVD+R discs. I found the following, among the specs:
"Universal Compatibility
In addition to offering playback of high-resolution DVD-Audio discs, this universal player reads multi-channel SACD, MP3, CD-R/ RW and DVD±R/ RW. The DPS-10.5 doesn't just simply support these formats, it excels at it ? reproducing your favorite music and movies with new clarity and depth."
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I would try to get ahold of some higher quality media, in very small quantities, and do some testing. As some of the replies have mentioned above, the media you tried here was questionable, since we cannot be sure who made it, and that brand label is sometimes used for some of the lousy stuff. Some players do NOT like lousy media. Certain players just "like" certain media better. The more expensive players tend to have more "sensitive" reading, which can cause more incompatibilities with burned media. I have read this repeatedly. Thus, a different (better) media may solve the problem completely.
The trick is to find the high-quality type of media that works in all of your players, and then stick to it.
-Bruce
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stockinv
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31. July 2005 @ 09:09 |
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I purchased some Phillips DVD-R and will try that. The manual I have on the DPS 10.5 says only -R, so I'm going that route first.
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31. July 2005 @ 16:08 |
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Seems a lot of reviews and texts on digital equipment have a nasty habit of just writing DVD-R/RW. To many that looks like a minus. However, I've noticed in many cases it is simply a dash with no meaning as to format. Getting into the support of formats, I noticed most of the DPS series support - and +R recordable media. Several of the good brands from decent manufacturers should fit the bill. On equipment that is compatible, I have a preference for the +R. Just a preference, but it works better with some of the newer drives, not to say the -R doesn't also work.
Much of the -R media from Memorex is the CMC Magnetics media, which many suggest avoiding. A smaller amount of the Ritek G01 may be around as a -R Memorex. Odds are if you buy Memorex -R, you get CMC media. Seems CMC is more prevalent in the -R offerings, though they do make +R which is evident with the Memorex. A brand like the Verbatim DataLife Plus has been a sure bet. That's Verbatim's top line and so far made by the better manufacturers. Note though that Verbatim does have an offering in the cheaper -R by CMC. CMC is sold by a number of brands as a less expensive media. Here are a number of brands that CMC manufactured media is sold under: Sky Pro -/+R 8X, Memorex -/+R, Verbatim -/+R some Datalife (not Plus), Imation -R, Nashua +R, and Sunstar +R; also, +RW for Philips, Verbatim, Speer, and Samsung. There's also more cheap media out there, so getting good media is more difficult sometimes than it may seem. You have to learn what you're buying. The identifier tools for checking codes and databases are handy. Even when you find a good disc, check each batch you get because the brands do change suppliers. Usually Sony +R is a safe bet, even the Taiwan manufactured media with the Sony code has worked well for me. The Japanese Sony is said to be superior. I've used both and have seen no difference in quality. Here is a good database for referencing brands and manufacturers; the navigation commands are in German, but most of the names for manufacturers and brands are in English. http://www.mediamatch.de/showdvdanbieter.php A large part of the backups in my video library are on Ricoh manufactured media from a number of brands, including Memorex when they sold it. Imation, Verbatim, Fuji, and Maxell are some of those brands that have sold Ricoh media. Since you mentioned Philips, in the past Philips has offfered the Ricoh media as well. Not all Philips branded media is made by Philips. Many brands that also manufacture don't stick exclusively to their own products for the retail offerings.
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31. July 2005 @ 16:26 |
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When you say Philips DVD-R, I'm wondering if you're referring to a DVD +R since I've not seen any -R Philips on the market. I could be wrong (have been often), if so I'd like to know where you found it. I can't find any on the net and the Philips site isn't very helpful on their media. Philips is a decent brand and manufacturer, or so I hear. BTW, Philips manufactured media is sold under several brands. My limited experience with their RWs has been very favorable. In the future, on the forums, it would be best to write media formats something like this: Fuji-Ricoh 4X +R. There you have the brand, manufacturer named second, speed and format. At least something like Fuji 4X +R if you don't know the manufacturer. Writing DVD-R leads many to wonder plus or minus or think minus R (-R). At the least leave a space, DVD -R or DVD +R. Just trying to avoid confusion, it helps from having mistakes in the help provided.
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stockinv
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31. July 2005 @ 18:56 |
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Brobear, it's a Phillips 8X DVD (-R). I purchased it at Office Depot. I'll let you know if it worked.
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stockinv
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31. July 2005 @ 18:59 |
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Brobear, it's a Phillips 8X DVD (-R). I purchased it at Office Depot. I'll let you know if it worked.
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stockinv
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31. July 2005 @ 18:59 |
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Brobear, it's a Phillips 8X DVD (-R). I purchased it at Office Depot. I'll let you know if it worked.
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31. July 2005 @ 19:25 |
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LOL How many times did you click the reply button? I know when AD gets crowded things can get slow. ;D And sure enough, Philips does have the DVD -R media. Did you check it with an ID tool to see who made it? That bit of info would be interesting as well.
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31. July 2005 @ 19:56 |
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Obviously three times. You're right, it's a slow night.
I checked the Phillips DVD-R and much to my surprise, it's CMC Magnetics. Does this mean it's the same as the Memorex DVD-R and probably won't work?
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31. July 2005 @ 20:32 |
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Who knows? If it carries the same CMC code, then it is just a different run of the same disc for a different brand. If it were me, I'd try the Verbatim Datalife Plus +R or Sony +R for over the counter purchases or one of the brands that sells Ricoh manufactured media, such as the Maxell, Fuji, and Imation +R. It would be easier just to order Ricoh online. As I mentioned earlier, brands have more than one supplier and it can be a gamble even when you research who has what.
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31. July 2005 @ 22:46 |
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Browsed over Office Depot's website. From the blank media they offer, I'd go with the Maxell and Verbatim +R. Those have the best track record for good manufacturers. Imation used to have Ricoh, but I'm not familiar with what they're doing now. Their 4X was Ricoh, but the 8X was being manufactured by Moser Baer India, a company I never heard of. Good luck and I hope the problem is simply a compatibility issue.
Some standalone players need an occasional firmware update. I did a Philips drive by downloading the file and recording it to a DVD that ran in the standalone to upgrade it. So, some drives can be upgraded where firmware is concerned. If I were you, I'd check with the Integra (Onkyo) support and see if there are any issues they're aware of with the drive that could be causing your problem. Of course after simply checking if it's a media compatibility problem.
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stockinv
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1. August 2005 @ 20:13 |
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Brobear, I've read that some disc's can't be played unless they are finalized. Is there a way to do this with Shrink and Decrypter?
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1. August 2005 @ 21:20 |
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Finalizing is part of the burn process. Decrypter or any other burn program will finalize a disc. About the only time you don't finalize a disc is when you're using batch software where you can continue to add to a disc you're working with. So, if you're burning with Decrypter, don't worry about it. If Decrypter is working properly, the disc will be finalized. Obviously it appears to be finalizing, as you're able to play the discs on some players.
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