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A very bizarre DVD story
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MR.Burnz
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29. August 2005 @ 06:35 |
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I recently received some DVD-R's from a friend, we both used the DVD Info Pro program to test the discs he burnt.
His tests had no errors but I tested all the discs and all of them had errors and I could'nt make back-ups. We have both kept screencaps for the individual discs and he used TDK branded TYG02 and Ritek GO5 media which I have never had problems with. I have tested all sorts of media in the past and have never had issues.
Is it possible that our burners are incompatable.
I have a Pioneer DVR-107 while he has an LG HL-DT-ST
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MR.Burnz
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29. August 2005 @ 06:37 |
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Just a note to add. the discs are not scratched dirty or bent etc.These discs are all pristine
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29. August 2005 @ 08:28 |
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It would help if you tell us what type of errors you are receiving and how you are backing up your movies.
Have you tried DVD Decrypter to back up your movies? It handles most errors fairly well. Since movies have already been compressed and burnt, then use DVD Decrypter to Read in ISO mode and then Write in ISO mode.
Fine tune DVD Decrypter settings as found in ScubaPetes "Problem DVDs" guide:; Heres site:
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide3.html
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29. August 2005 @ 08:37 |
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Forget the test results because they vary depending on the burner, test speed, etc. If you say you have read errors keeping you from copying, and he says the DVDs are error-free, then he should be able to copy all the files from the unencrypted DVD to his hard drive without a problem. If he can do that, then I'd suspect your burner may be the problem (maybe dust weakening the laser). BTW, when I say copy, I mean just dragging the entire VIDEO_TS folder from the DVD to the hard drive, not using DVD Decrypter which may bypass errors.
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MR.Burnz
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29. August 2005 @ 22:33 |
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Another strange thing is that all the discs read as 4.38 GB, but not one of the discs is this length. I have tested hundreds of discs and many after I received these, and none of them have problems
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MR.Burnz
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30. August 2005 @ 06:37 |
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It would help if you tell us what type of errors you are receiving and how you are backing up your movies.
Have you tried DVD Decrypter to back up your movies? It handles most errors fairly well. Since movies have already been compressed and burnt, then use DVD Decrypter to Read in ISO mode and then Write in ISO mode.
Fine tune DVD Decrypter settings as found in ScubaPetes "Problem DVDs" guide:; Heres site:
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide3.html
How many types of errors are there?,CRC errors, yes I am aware of how to burn with Decryptor, thanks for trying though
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30. August 2005 @ 06:43 |
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Forget the test results because they vary depending on the burner, test speed, etc. If you say you have read errors keeping you from copying, and he says the DVDs are error-free, then he should be able to copy all the files from the unencrypted DVD to his hard drive without a problem. If he can do that, then I'd suspect your burner may be the problem (maybe dust weakening the laser). BTW, when I say copy, I mean just dragging the entire VIDEO_TS folder from the DVD to the hard drive, not using DVD Decrypter which may bypass errors.Quote:
You have some interesting theories but if the lens had dust on it, why would it only give read errors for his discs when I have no trouble with all my other burnt media including Princo.His master DVD-R discs burn fine with Clone DVD so I am sure there is nothing wrong with them. If a disc has CRC errors you have buckley's of being able to copy with that program
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akyllonen
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31. August 2005 @ 00:23 |
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Are you able to rip to the hard drive? If not post your DVD Decrypter Log....Make sure you set your options to ignore read errors and retries to 1.
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MR.Burnz
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31. August 2005 @ 09:20 |
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Hello, no I am unable to burn these to my hard drive, here is the log from decryptor for 1 of the discs
I 03:03:07 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 03:03:07 Initialising SPTI...
I 03:03:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 03:03:07 Found 1 DVD±RW!
I 03:06:58 Operation Started!
I 03:06:58 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: RITEKG05)
I 03:06:58 Source Media Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
I 03:06:58 Source Media Copyright Protection System Type: None
I 03:06:58 Source Media Implementation Identifier: AHEAD Nero
I 03:06:58 File Splitting: Auto
I 03:06:58 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 03:06:58 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 03:06:58 Extracting Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 2298495)
I 03:06:58 Found IFO File: VIDEO_TS.IFO - (LBA: 282 - 293)
I 03:06:58 Found VOB File: VIDEO_TS.VOB - (LBA: 294 - 394) - KEY: N/A
I 03:06:58 Found BUP File: VIDEO_TS.BUP - (LBA: 395 - 406)
I 03:06:58 Found IFO File: VTS_01_0.IFO - (LBA: 407 - 415)
I 03:06:58 Found VOB File: VTS_01_1.VOB - (LBA: 416 - 2404) - KEY: N/A
I 03:06:59 Found BUP File: VTS_01_0.BUP - (LBA: 2405 - 2413)
I 03:06:59 Found IFO File: VTS_02_0.IFO - (LBA: 2414 - 2445)
I 03:06:59 Found VOB File: VTS_02_1.VOB - (LBA: 2446 - 526732) - KEY: N/A
I 03:10:02 Found VOB File: VTS_02_2.VOB - (LBA: 526733 - 1051019) - KEY: N/A
I 03:12:21 Found VOB File: VTS_02_3.VOB - (LBA: 1051020 - 1575306) - KEY: N/A
I 03:14:20 Found VOB File: VTS_02_4.VOB - (LBA: 1575307 - 2090374) - KEY: N/A
I 03:16:05 Found BUP File: VTS_02_0.BUP - (LBA: 2090375 - 2090406)
W 03:17:49 Failed to read Sector 2098864 - No Additional Sense Information
E 03:19:48 Failed to read Sector 2098865 - No Additional Sense Information
E 03:19:49 Failed to Extract Sectors!
E 03:19:49 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:12:51
E 03:19:49 Average Read Rate: 5,444 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Read Rate: 10,828 KB/s (7.8x)
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31. August 2005 @ 12:32 |
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my usual suggestion for copying from copies is to simply copy/paste the video_ts folder to hard drive then burn in Nero, obviously you could use decrypter as a burn program or a.n.other...
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MR.Burnz
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8. September 2005 @ 21:50 |
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Hello people, I have bought a new Pioneer DVR 110 drive and these discs are still coming up as having errors. Has anyone ever known to to happen, I need help. The discs test fine on his apparantly but on both my drives they are full of CRC errors
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8. September 2005 @ 22:36 |
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Hello people, I have bought a new Pioneer DVR 110 drive and these discs are still coming up as having errors. Has anyone ever known to to happen, I need help. The discs test fine on his apparantly but on both my drives they are full of CRC errors
Well, do you have the latest firmware update on your Pioneer dvd burner? To check on your Pioneer DVR-107, go here http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1754 and for your newest Pioneer DVR-110, go here http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2140 and get the latest firmware to update your dvd writer.
At what Mode on DVD Decrypter did you tried to rip your friends DVD-R backup? Have you tried cleaning your friends backup and retry it? Another good method to use DVD Decrypter to rip dvd movie onto the hard drive is by going to MODE, FILE F (this will most likely works for me if Mode, ISO, Read R failed).
On the other hand, have you tried to use DVD Shrink to read using Open Disc, since you don't have the files of your friends DVD-R backup on your hard drive yet?
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MR.Burnz
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8. September 2005 @ 23:43 |
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Yes latest firmware, Pioneer 107 hasn't had new firmware in a year, Decryptor ISO Read mode, discs are pristine as I stated in an earlier post,definitely no issues on my end
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MR.Burnz
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8. September 2005 @ 23:45 |
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I have also tried burning with clone, Nero and what have you. Shrink is to compress DVD9, these are DVD5 so no need to use it
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MR.Burnz
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8. September 2005 @ 23:49 |
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Also used ISO Buster, and dropped and dragged the files to my desktop,both are no go
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8. September 2005 @ 23:53 |
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You can still have DVD Shrink try to open/read the disc and set it to "no compression" at Backup with the same size as it is. It won't do any compressing if it's already on a DVD5 disc. What I meant is just try to have DVD Shrink to read and see if it works for you that's all.
By the way, did you tried to have DVD Decrypter to Mode, File F instead of doing Mode, Iso, Read R?
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8. September 2005 @ 23:55 |
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Also used ISO Buster, and dropped and dragged the files to my desktop,both are no go
I've never used ISO Buster for DVD movies. However, I've used it for rebuilding PS2 games sometimes in the past though.
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MR.Burnz
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9. September 2005 @ 00:02 |
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ISO buster is great, if a DVD can be burned, it will do the trick.Also great for finding lost data on multisession discs
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akyllonen
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9. September 2005 @ 21:08 |
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Do you have ignore read errors checked off?
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MR.Burnz
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10. September 2005 @ 03:10 |
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Yes, is there any out there who has an answer for this? I am not a complete novice. LOL
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10. September 2005 @ 11:46 |
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you may not be a novice but sometimes it's best to step back & start at the beginning. that way the obvious things don't get missed.
so you're saying that you crc check the discs and they're full of errors yes ?
forgetting about the discs you're having trouble with for a moment, can you do a Nero simulation burn of something, anything, just to get a Nero log, i like these logs cus they are very detailed and give lots off clues re a system setup..
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10. September 2005 @ 22:17 |
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I have no problem burning, I have 100% success burning Princo media which most people think is crap. The problem is discs someone else has burnt on their PC. So why would I need to do a Nero simulation? Or am I missing something?
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11. September 2005 @ 02:59 |
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So why would I need to do a Nero simulation? Or am I missing something?
- like i said before "can you do a Nero simulation burn of something, anything, just to get a Nero log, i like these logs cus they are very detailed and give lots off clues re a system setup.."
Also, how about you try one of your burners in your friend's pc.
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11. September 2005 @ 09:41 |
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Unfortunately the cat lives on the other side of the world, so that isn't an option, here is a log file though
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 6:35:34 PM
Nero Version: 6.6.0.13
Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 13c
(Nero Express)
Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D>Version: 1.08 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.13
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2000kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D>Version: 1.08 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.13
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D D: CDRom0
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D E: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 511MB (523760kB)
Free physical memory: 358MB (366760kB)
Memory in use : 29 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
12.9.2005
===== Disc-Copy over image - 1st step : Copy to image ...
3:37:33 AM #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
Reader running
3:37:33 AM #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
Writer Image Recorder running
3:37:33 AM #3 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 279
DVD Track-Information from source disc
S01 T01 Con 0x14 Start 0 Len 811104 (gap 0) Blank 0 Res 1 Dmg 0 Open Trk 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
3:37:33 AM #4 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 382
Max -1 tracks of 1 allowed to copy
1: 0 - 811104 = 811104, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
3:37:33 AM #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3167
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
3:37:34 AM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 260
Last possible write address on media: 4718591 (1048:34.41, 9215MB)
Last address to be written: 811103 (180:14.53, 1584MB)
3:37:34 AM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 272
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD DVD)
3:37:34 AM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2339
Recorder: Image Recorder;
CD type reading failed
ATIP Data: ?
3:37:34 AM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 438
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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3:37:34 AM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 830
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - Data (mode 1))
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 811104 (811104) = #811104/180:14.54
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 811104 blocks [Image Recorder]
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11. September 2005 @ 09:58 |
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A-ha.... See those 2 lines with 'mmc' in the lines - Nero is too old to recogniser your burner. Update Nero to 6.6.0.16 which is latest, try again & post another section of log..
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