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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 00:06 |
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hi all,
first time posting. I have been copying dvds for the past year and havent had any problems. Unfortunately my pc was quite old so bought a new one wit a 2.8ghz processor and a gig of ram, also bought a new liteon 16x dual layer burner, not really gonna need the dual layer as i use dvd shrink and strictly bought it for the 16x speed. Ok here is my problem, on my old pc i could use nero and copy from dvd to dvd ( bearing in mind that the dvd was preshrunk and was 4.3gb or thereabouts) it only used to take 15 minutes to copy. Now for some reason on my new pc it is taking an hour and the discs i am using support 8x. I cant understand why it is taking so long. I have checked the dma and it seems to be enabled?. Hope i have not posted too much info as it is my first post.
Any advice would be great.
Is there any other decent dvd to dvd burning software for dvds that are copies?. I have no problems copying original ones.
Thanks...
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29. September 2005 @ 00:13 |
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the slowdown SEEMs to me that the DMA is off, and has reverted back to PIO mode...are you SURE DMA: ON?
here is a quick guide to help you out:
http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/FAQ.htm
especially since you got a NEW burner and a faster computer (1 gig of ram and 2.8ghz is MORE than enough), what kind of media are you using now if i may ask? is it DVD-R or DVD+R? what brand is it? i have a few liteon drives and they DO NOT like cheapo media, regardless of rated speed...
dvd decrypter is in MY OPINION, the best burning prog for copies of copies...ISO READ--->ISO WRITE~ done~!
and welcome to AfterDawn~ :) enjoy ur stay~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 00:32 |
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thanks for the welcome and the advice.
I am using memorex 8x DVD-R.
I usually use bulkpaq which i prefer but they were only 4x.
Can you recommend some media?
I checked the dma last night and it seemed to be ok, excuse my ignorance
but does it have to enabled on the source and the destination drives?
Thanks Again.
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29. September 2005 @ 00:58 |
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hi,
your DMA should be "ON" on all your drives, yes~ :) but, the primary burner is MOST important of the 2. :)
as with your media...THAT is the BIGGEST problem, i would highly suggest you "ditch" BOTH those above stated media, i won't even start my rant here about how much i despise "memosux" CMC MAG manufactured discs~ OUCH~!
bulkpaq is also a NO-no based on the experience of my buddy creaky, he happened to have MANY of the FAKE Taiyo Yudens under the Bulkpaq brand~ :)
i would strongly suggest you try some AUTHENTIC Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim for starters~ :) Taiyo Yudens, or TYs, are MADE IN JAPAN~ the "fake TYs" out there in the market are NOT made in Japan, that is one of the easiest ways to tell~ secondly, Verbatims are primarily MADE IN TAIWAN, these are very good media also~ :)
if you are in the U.S. and would like to order online, i personally recommend TRUSTED vendors such as www.supermediastore.com, amazon.com, newegg.com, rima.com...if shopping locally, look on the spindle wrappers for the Fujifilm & Sony brand names, thus far, IF they say "made in japan" on the wrapper, the 8x DVD+R format for BOTH those brands are authentic Taiyo Yudens :) and in your case for preferring DVD-R format, the Fujifilm MADE IN JAPAN 8x are ALSO Taiyo Yudens, the made in taiwans are NOT~ :)
hope that is a good start, let me know if you need any more recommendations on media, feel free to PM me if necessary and i will guide you step by step to determining GOOD quality media~ that is MY expertise here on AD~ :)
i'm sure others will comment too, but, the MAIN problem i see now is IN YOUR CHOICE OF MEDIA~ a problem often times overlooked, we all gotta start somewhere~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 01:18 |
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cheers for the reply, thats a bit of an eye opener, i have had pretty good success with the bulkpaq to be honest, the only problem i am really having is the speed which i reckon is the dma that you mentioned. I am in ireland so the range of blank dvds are limited and expensive. I can order 50 bulpaq DVD-R 4x for 10euro which i think is less than $15. I will double check the dma issue when i get home from work. Thanks again for all your help it is much appreciated...
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29. September 2005 @ 01:19 |
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*peeks in over kivory's shoulder. Hi bcashion welcome to afterdawn. I agree with kivory regarding memorex and bulkpaq media. Also as with most pcs did it come with any pre-installed software such as roxio or cyberlink producer (something like that). Seems there might be a conflict as well as your burner being in pio and not dma mode. One thing I would also like to point out is if you are in the U.S. I suggest initially trying some sony which can be purchased at your local walmart in a 3-pack for on $6.99. Also look at the latest firmware for your burner to see if there is an update that came out after your purchase. Please let us know how you are fairing as i am in the market for a new desktop burner and the model you bought is one I am seriously considering buying.
*good to see you again Sir Taiyo Yuden aka kivory666
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 01:39 |
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Hi Matt,
Cheers for the reply. I only bought the liteon yesterday had a slower 4x one and it has served me very well for the past year, the only reason i bought the new one (don't laugh at this) was because my new pc is black and the old burner was a creamy color, also because i fancied something a bit faster (which is not happening). I have DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink (what an amazing piece of software) Nero 6 something OEM that i got with the new burner and sonic something or other. I am thinking of uninstalling sonic as i havent used it (it came pre installed) on the pc.
That might be causing a conflict? As for litoen i would highly recommend them , we use them in work aswell and they are very reliable. Knowing what media to buy is a worry, i need something cheap coz i go through about 20 or 30 discs a week.
Thanks again for the reply.
B........
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29. September 2005 @ 08:42 |
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Memorex, then Bulkpaq...... (creaky rushes off to get the white jacket with long white sleeves). *cough* Bulkpaq FAKE Taiyo Yuden TYG02 discs, so won't ever trust anything those jokers produce *cough*
:)
will be back, got some stuff to take care of. Hopefully kivory666 will have prepared a prescription for my cough by the time i pop back..
Main PC ~ Intel C2Q Q6600 (G0 Stepping)/Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3/2GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec 900/Corsair HX 620W
Network ~ DD-WRT ~ 2node WDS-WPA2/AES ~ Buffalo WHR-G54S. 3node WPA2/AES ~ WRT54GS v6 (inc. WEP BSSID), WRT54G v2, WRT54G2 v1. *** Forum Rules ***This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 29. September 2005 @ 08:44
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29. September 2005 @ 09:53 |
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hi brian,
well, since you are in Europe, i don't really know what to tell ya~ i totally understand the price of media being the MAIN REASON for going with bulkpaq, but, to be successful in dvd backups, i for one stand by the fact that QUALITY MEDIA is VERY important if you want flawless playback/compatibility. :)
hmmm...perhaps my buddy creaky can point you in the right direction in buying quality media over there in Europe, i'm over here in the U.S. and quality media is everywhere around here for the same price, if not cheaper than the crappy stuff :P
2ndly, yes, definitely UNINSTALL that Sonic software, when i bought my first Dell manufactured computer many years ago, Sonic was the FIRST thing i uninstalled right out of the box, for me personally, i HAVE had it conflict with Nero, so, get it outta there~ :)
@matt72
good to see you again buddy, im still spreading the TY gospel as you can tell~ :)
@creaky
my prescription to you buddy, take 2 AUTHENTIC TYG02s and call me in the morning~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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29. September 2005 @ 12:00 |
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right, i've had a read thru now, so it's time for the proverbial logfile request - pls post LAST section of your Nero log, which is in c:\program files\ahead\nero\nerohistory.log, but DO NOT post your serial number which usually begins with '1A21' or similar
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 14:16 |
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hi guys,
had a good read of the forum today regarding the media issue, no more bulkpaq or memorex for me. Here is the log file, hope i pasted it in right. Thank you all for taking the time to reply...
B...
ps have deleted sonic and have noticed in the log file that dma is not enabled on one of the drives, i am learning already ....
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 22/07/2004 17:33:44
Nero version: 6.3.1.26 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S>Version: JS02 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.3.1.26
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <TSSTcorp CDRW/DVD TSH492B>Version: TB06 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.3.1.26
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CDRW/DVD TSH492B atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: Off
DiskPeripheral : ST3160023AS atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
TSSTcorp CDRW/DVD TSH492 D: CDRom0
LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S E: CDRom3
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1022MB (1046604kB)
Free physical memory: 604MB (619132kB)
Memory in use : 40 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
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DVD-Copy on the fly
01:36:53 #1 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1191
SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 0, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x24
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0xBB 0x00 0xFF 0xFF 0x02 0xC2 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0xF0 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00
01:36:53 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
Reader running
01:36:53 #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S running
01:36:53 #4 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 271
DVD Track-Information from source disc
S01 T01 Con 0x14 Start 0 Len 2187567 (gap 0) Blank 0 Res 0 Dmg 0 Mode TRM_DATA_MODE1 (0)
01:36:53 #5 Text 0 File DVDCopy.cpp, Line 374
Max -1 tracks of 1 allowed to copy
1: 0 - 2187567 = 2187567, TRM_DATA_MODE1, block size 2048, read opt 0 (no read options)
01:36:53 #6 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3152
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media
01:36:53 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 247
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2187566 (486:07.41, 4272MB)
01:36:53 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
01:36:53 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2162
Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AE1
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
01:36:53 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 420
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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01:36:53 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (1 - Data (mode 1))
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2187567 (2187567) = #2187567/486:7.42
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2187567 blocks [LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S]
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01:36:53 #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x40; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4480137216, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2187567 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
01:36:54 #13 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
01:36:54 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
01:36:54 #15 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 6:49,848 (409848ms) -> OK
01:36:54 #16 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2011
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
01:36:54 #17 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20794
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON
01:36:54 #18 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2152
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
01:36:54 #19 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8228
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 30 00 10 20 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .0..............
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
01:37:11 #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
01:37:11.015 - LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S\H0 T1 : Queue again later
02:32:25 #21 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
<LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2187567 (21612Fh), lenght 0 blocks
02:32:25 #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion
02:32:25 #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2394
EndDAO: Last written address was 2187567
02:32:50 #24 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
02:32:50 #25 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK
02:32:50 #26 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process completed successfully at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 17/08/2001 14:07:32
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.28a, size=20640 bytes, created 11/03/2005 23:28:13 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 03/08/2004 22:59:44 (Adapter driver for rec)
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======
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29. September 2005 @ 14:31 |
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well, you need to enable the DMA on your Liteon drive, but in regards to getting rid of the Sonic, good job~ :)
also, in THIS particular log, i noticed you are NOW using the dreaded CMC MAG crap (i assume it's the Memorex) Quote:
Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AE1
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
i STILL think the MEDIA is the culprit in this case...but, if you do a playback and it is fine since Nero DID say it was completed successfully, then that is good~ i can't tell you how long that CMC MAG disc, whether it is successfully burned or not in this particular incident is going to last, but, it's a good start. if you insist on using up the rest of these CMC MAGs, i would lower the burn speed to 4x~ to be on the safe side~ :) if you DO see any pixellation/freezing/skipping during playback on your backup, you will NOW know WHY~ crappy media+higher speed burning= above mentioned problems~ :)
so, it's good to hear you are learning and picking up things along the way...good luck on your future burns, but i would consider from now on...use better media~ :) for your OWN sake~ your wallet will thank you later down the road~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 14:39 |
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cant enable dma on one of the drives, both of them are primary ide and when i check the settings device zero has dma enabled and device 1 has not and i cannot change it for some reason, can i force it somehow? sorry to be a pain in the butt
thanks again.....
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29. September 2005 @ 14:45 |
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29. September 2005 @ 20:25 |
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@bcashion,
Here is an alternate way to enable your dma http://www.burstcopy.com/dma/xp/. I would comment on buying a different burner because of the color but I'm all laughed out :). Also after updating your firmware as bigfatboy stated I suggest slowing your burn speed down to 4x to see if you can get a good burn. If the dma still doesn't switch from pio then try uninstalling in device manager, rebooting and xp will pick it back up and check to see if your dma is on. Let us know how it goes.
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 23:18 |
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HI All,
The saga continues. Upgraded the firmware no problems.
Can't enable the dma, tried uninstalling and still nothing, would it have anything to do with both drives being on the same IDE??
I am going to try matts solution when i get home from work.
Cheers again.
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bcashion
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29. September 2005 @ 23:22 |
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i have 2 primary channels only????
This doesnt sound right?
I have both drives connected to the same IDE, i might try swapping one to the secondary one..
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30. September 2005 @ 03:18 |
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bcashion
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30. September 2005 @ 03:25 |
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cheers matt , i would say that is the problem...
thanks i will try it when i get home from work (in the early hours of the morning seeing as its friday)
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bcashion
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30. September 2005 @ 22:40 |
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Hi guys,
Cannot get the DMA enabled on the dvdrw. I cant change the ide either. The hard drive is using a different cable type so the only option i have is to have my cdrw (which came with the pc) and the dvdrw on the same cable, with the dvdrw being the slave. The pc doesnt seem to like when i make the dvdrw the master (its a dell pc).
It is doing my head in at this stage.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Brian...
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