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Mysteriously "cursed" dual layer movies
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forker
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1. October 2005 @ 17:22 |
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I've been burning DVD+R DL for about a month now, with no problems. (by the way, use froogle to find cheap 25pk of memorex DL media, I guess ppl overstocked and it's going for about $2.5 a disc).
I always rip with dvd decrypter 3.5.4.0 (latest), and then burn with DVD decrypter or Nero6 or Nero7. Almost every movie works fine, but some movies seem to be mysteriously CURSED, and it's causing me to have quite a bit of $2.5 coasters each time I try to backup a movie with this problem. For example, I've been having trouble backing up AI. I've ripped the source disc with DVD Decrypter with no problem, but then when I burn it I get the infamous "I/O error: check burner condition" at some point in the burning. Nero sometimes has a similar error while burning, but sometimes completes the burn, but there is always a CRC error in the resulting disc. I've even tried mounting the image file and doing a DVD-to-DVD copy in Nero with no luck. When mounting the image file I do a CRC check and everything is fine, CDCheck detects no errors and the movie plays perfectly. It's just when burning these cursed films that I have the problem, so I don't think it's a decryption problem. I also don't think it's a media problem, because this happens only with specific movies and it fails EVERY TIME I try to burn these movies.
Any ideas???
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1. October 2005 @ 18:00 |
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if you rip to HD then you should be able to burn it...... but if you can't seem to burn it...... then it's a media problem. why do you dismiss it as a media problem..... Memorex is crappy media! Ask anyone on AD
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
this will help you to know what media is good and what media is crap! Memorex is CMC crappy media and should be kept away from your bruner! If you want to use DL disks, get Verbatim. They rock! Try it with Quote:
these cursed films
and you may be surprised that, all of a sudden, you are getting perfect burns! Ones that last for years.....
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1. October 2005 @ 18:19 |
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Make sure you are burning at 2.4x, anything faster and you will get I/O errors in Decrypter.
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Nero6 or Nero7
I did not think Nero 7 was released by the company yet?
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1. October 2005 @ 18:23 |
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Arnie.... heard you got your new computer..... much luck and enjoy!!! Now burn away!!!!! :-D
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1. October 2005 @ 18:27 |
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@IHoe
Thanks, I have really been burning up a storm trying it out, you should be able to see the smoke three states away, lol.
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1. October 2005 @ 18:28 |
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arnie..... do you post your collection ..... like on DVDProfiler? do you use that? very interested to see your collection. Mine is in my signature.
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1. October 2005 @ 18:33 |
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@Ihoe
No I have never tried it, not even sure how it works, but if you want to give me the particulars in a PM, I would be most appreciative and may give a try. Will check yours out.
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forker
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1. October 2005 @ 18:46 |
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IHoe - RTFP before you try to say off-hand that it's my media. Like I said, the media works perfectly on almost all backups, it's only specific movies that fail to burn. The burn always fails with specific movies, no matter if I use Verbatim or Memorex, burn in Nero or in DVD Decrypter. I've already wasted 6 discs on 2 movies with this problem, yet burn every other movie without a problem. Hopefully someone will have some insight instead of pretentiously posting assumptions.
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skyhawkrh
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1. October 2005 @ 19:02 |
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I have had trouble with DVD Decrypter on certain movies, sometimes they would just not burn with any burn program I use. I started running AnyDVD and pulling the data directly of the DVD with no problems.
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MovieDud
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1. October 2005 @ 19:03 |
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@Ihoe, Hello friend, I noticed your collection and the system. Can you pm some information on how to do that. My Dvd collection is probably near 900 dvds. I keep the originals in a closet, well protected, and all the back-ups in dvd jewel cases or the notebook type binder that can store 208 dvds/cds. I'm looking for a system like what you have or some suggestions. I can appreciate your deligence and hard work at creating this system. I just would appreciate some direction. Again thank you and I hope I can be of assistance to you.
@forker, I have used the memorex dl's and I would receive those same messages, began using Verbs and never looked back. It might not be the whole problem, but it could be a piece of it. Many times the suggestions are not fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants assumptions but rather experience. Arniebear nailed it with burning speed in decrypter with DL's. I can burn DL's at 4x with Nero and typically use that, yet learning from arniebear I used decrypter with my daughters copy of Robots and it was flawless. Thanks arniebear I appreciate your advice and experience.
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rch0621
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1. October 2005 @ 19:05 |
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download DVD43,run program restart computer,then turn off dvd 43. some dvds are comeing out with a new program inbeded in them basicly it tells your software to have an io cycle problem .try useing dvd shink to read dvd it will come up with error.turn off shrink.restart DVD43 use DVD Decrypter ,copy to a file on harddrive .then rip and burn.most dvds will be comeing out with this program soon. P.S. if DVD Shrink comes up with it will take some thing like say 30 hours to copy you have run in to this program . good luck
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1. October 2005 @ 19:34 |
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@Forker.....read what Movie has to say and I agree with him. Sorry. Just my 2 cents....... you don't have to like my opion... I respect yours.
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forker
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1. October 2005 @ 21:02 |
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IHoe - Sorry if I was a bit rude, I was just frustrated to get exactly the response I was trying to avoid, but I see where you were coming from. Thanks for your response, in any case.
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akyllonen
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1. October 2005 @ 21:27 |
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forker-What is the manufacturer ID on those Memorex DL's...are they RITEK's or Philips?
2.4 Celeron;512k ram; 80gig HD; 60gig HD; Windows XP(SP1).
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DVD Shrink/DVD Decrypter.
TYG02;YUDEN002;MCC blanks.
Favorite Media: Sony 8x+R(MADE IN JAPAN)
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smsmike
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1. October 2005 @ 22:06 |
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forker (Junior Member) 1. October 2005 @ 22:46
IHoe - RTFP before you try to say off-hand that it's my media. Like I said, the media works perfectly on almost all backups, it's only specific movies that fail to burn. The burn always fails with specific movies, no matter if I use Verbatim or Memorex, burn in Nero or in DVD Decrypter. I've already wasted 6 discs on 2 movies with this problem, yet burn every other movie without a problem. Hopefully someone will have some insight instead of pretentiously posting assumptions.
Lets assume that it's not the media (Shock, Shock, Shock) and try a few things..
Download the Free Trial Version of AnyDVD, install it, then transfer the VIDEO_TS Folder from one of your "Cursed" disks to the hard drive (Cut and Paste) with AnyDVD running.. After that, instead of burning it to a dual layer disk, use Shrink (or the program of your choice) to compress the entire disk to a Single Layer format. Burn that and see if it works out. If it does, THEN try a dual layer burn with the uncompressed folder. If you still get a bad burn, then you will have to take a closer look at your Firmware, then burn speed, then (finally) the media itself. It has been My Experience that bad media is the least likely cause of most folks problems, even though it's the favorite Mantra of the so called experts here.
I burn, on average, 100 disks a month. I have been doing that for nearly three years. I have used every type of disk available and have never found a brand that I could not get to work. I have a bunch of movies on bargain priced 2X KHypermedia disks that I burned three years ago, using an old TEAC DVD-R burner, and they ALL still play perfectly. I can even do direct Disk to Disk re-copies of all my movies (even the ones from many years ago) and they always work flawlessly.
The Mantra "Bad Media" is tossed around way too often in this forum, and it's usually an excuse for Not Reading the posters problem, or Not Understanding what has been written. I say that because some of the replies given to legitimate problems are so far OFF the question that was asked, that they make me want to laugh; then cry!!
- Mike -
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akyllonen
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2. October 2005 @ 00:23 |
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The burn always fails with specific movies
What are the movies that don't work...besides AI???
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"I/O error: check burner condition" at some point in the burning.
Is it always at the same point??? Different each time??
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yet burn every other movie without a problem.
What movies have you done after the failed discs?
2.4 Celeron;512k ram; 80gig HD; 60gig HD; Windows XP(SP1).
Sony DRU-710A (BYX4)
DVD Shrink/DVD Decrypter.
TYG02;YUDEN002;MCC blanks.
Favorite Media: Sony 8x+R(MADE IN JAPAN)
Laptop: 1.4 Ghz;256k ram; 40 gig HD;Windows XP
NEC ND-6650A Burner
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forker
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2. October 2005 @ 02:25 |
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skyhawk and Mike - Thanks guys, I tried AnyDVD and finally had a successful burn! Perhaps it's just DVD Decrypter.
akyllonen - I think the other might have been X-Men or one of the three Matrix movies, I'm not quite sure.. it was a while ago. The error would happen around the same point in the burn as I recall. I've done several after the failed movies, including Being John Malkovich, Clerks, Adaptation, Interview With the Vampire, and a few more. Of course AI burned correctly just now.
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2. October 2005 @ 04:46 |
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@smsmike - you have your experience, others have theirs. no so-called experts here, we just attack problems as we see them, ie logfiles are my favourite, not a user's perceived problem, for instance. If your replies had less of the "ppl don't know what rhey're talking about re cheap media" and stopped knocking other ppl's help, ie just posted useful help, i for one might take you more seriously (excepting the post re dvd burners needing huge power supplies of course). Of course you're entitled to be different to everyone else, but when your replies have a tinge of 'knock the experts' to them, it sort of spoils what you were trying to say. it's just troubleshooting, attack all the obvious 'til there are no symptoms appear to be resolved, then see what success follows from there. no bias against bad media, or anything else, just tried and tested, basic troubleshooting.
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2. October 2005 @ 05:53 |
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Creaky is more than right about peoples replies here. Those movies that Forker mentioned were burned easily! NO CURSED MOVIES. Sorry. To some people, they have their own experiences and problems due to equipment that is different than others here! Not everyone has the same computer and the same burner and the same disk doing the same job! So of course there's going to be problems, because the programs can't conform to EVERYONE'S situation! Just look at the problems that Microsoft goes through every time they update Windows! Some computers run flawlessly others don't! Bugs have to be taken out and such! All I know is that I am wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better off for the advise that AD gave me and I try to give back in return. I try not to be smug about things but sometimes I am. I know this. That's why I don't reply too often but I do like to join in and give back to a site that gave me so much! Let's just try to reply, nicely, without comments or attacks to the people that are just trying to help! If the reply doesn't satisfy then move on to another till you get what you need!
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2. October 2005 @ 06:32 |
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It has been My Experience that bad media is the least likely cause of most folks problems, even though it's the favorite Mantra of the so called experts here.
This may be your experience, but obviously there are a whole lot of users who are experiencing difficulties from bad media. That is why there is a whole forum dedicated to it, and a long thread about peoples experiences with sub par media.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/114809
Media is a part of the whole process, and it is the best place to start with the difficulties a person is having. As stated everyone has a different setup. Unless I can see through cyberspace into the posters computer, starting with media is the best route.
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2. October 2005 @ 10:44 |
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Not to add fuel to the fire but I agree with IHoe and Creaky. Maybe it's not media in your case but if you go with verb dl you odds of success will go up tremendously. I haven't had a bad dl burn yet using verb dls and decrypter. Try it
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2. October 2005 @ 11:13 |
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I had both Memorex DLs and Verbatim DL....... with the Memorex ones I did have a coaster out of 3 of them.... but the Verbatims..... not one out of 30 DL disks!
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2. October 2005 @ 12:06 |
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What he said!!!!!!!
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smsmike
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2. October 2005 @ 15:19 |
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forker (Junior Member) 2. October 2005 @ 06:25
skyhawk and Mike - Thanks guys, I tried AnyDVD and finally had a successful burn! Perhaps it's just DVD Decrypter.
DVD Decrypter is a fantastic program, but it's not the be-all, end-all for each and every DVD, even the Older Ones. Some folks are just now learning what I have known for quite some time, "What works for Single Layer disks that have gone through a number of Decrypting and Compression stages to get to the final format, will NOT necessarily work for a Dual Layer application." Dual Layer is a whole new ball game, and it requires a different mind set!
I'm glad you got the results you wanted; that's really all that matters.
- Mike -
I stopped counting when I reached 60!
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2. October 2005 @ 15:31 |
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Since AnyDVD is a driver that breaks encryption, I would really like to know just what it has to do with burning. It does not burn the program burns. If you are using Decrypter and Nero to burn your already ripped file, and get an error it is either the media/burner/firmware. AnyDVD has nothing to do with good or bad burns only encryption. If you had said Decrypter was unable to break the encryption on a rip then AnyDVD would prove valuable, but as stated it has no control over your burn.
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