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burning video_ts onto dual layer using iomega dual layer drive
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kramerica
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3. November 2005 @ 05:35 |
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hi, i'm trying all sorts of ways to burn a 8 gb video_ts folder onto a dual layer dvd. i know i have to make a udf but don't know what software to use. i've tried both mac and pc. the mac software included with the drive seems to be able to burn a udf, but what kind of discs should i use? i'm resigned to using a pc because i don't have a new enough mac to handle it. meanwhile, i'm still not sure of the type of disc to use and the software that was included with the drive doesn't address udf in a pc environment. is there free or trialware available that can do this.
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laddyboy
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3. November 2005 @ 17:10 |
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On the PC side, Nero has a suite of programs with a free trial period. See www.Nero.com. You could also use DVD Shrink (free) to convert your video folder to an iso image file and then use DVD Decrypter (free) to burn the dvd.
DL media only comes in two flavors: +R DL and -R DL. +R DL can be booktyped as DVD-ROM (if your burner supports it) so that other drives and players can recognize and play the disk. Whether your burner can do this is unknown to me. The best +R DL media is Verbatim.
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kramerica
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4. November 2005 @ 09:17 |
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Okay, I'm 4 double layer coasters in (these things are expensive) and I still don't have a playable disc. Here's what I did: bought Nero 7 (highly recommended), backed up dvd using DVD Decrypter, creating a 7.5 gb video_ts folder. used Nero 7 to create a udf format and added video_ts and audio_ts folders and burned. computers (both mac and pc) reject the disc so I know it won't play on standard dvd players. what am i doing wrong? i think it has something to do with how i'm burning. Nero has a ton of options. which should i use
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laddyboy
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4. November 2005 @ 12:42 |
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Put DVD Decrypter into ISO Read mode and rip an iso file from the original disk.
Put DVD Decrypter into ISO Write mode and burn the ripped iso file to your DL blank.
Forget about UDF. The programs handle everything for you and you'll get an exact copy.
For your burned disk to be readable in standalone players, you should use +R DL media and booktype as DVD-ROM. I don't know the brand and model of drive you're using so I can't tell you what to do or even if your burner is capable of booktyping. Please post the brand and model of your burner and its firmware version.
It is also important that your burner's firmware is up-to-date. Locate your burner's firmware here:
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php
and update as necessary. Repost if you are unsure and somebody will help. Sometimes brand name burners are rebadged from a larger oem and the oem firmware is more up-to-date.
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kramerica
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9. November 2005 @ 10:50 |
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Thanks alot for your help. Here's where I'm at. I'm using an Iomega dual layer burner (although it shows up as liteon in nero). i tried messing around with DVD Decrypter in iso and bookmarking but found that Nero 7 can take the files and burn a dual-layer. figured may as well use it since i shelled out the bucks. did burn my first successful dual layer that can play in dvd players. the only thing is that sometimes after a chapter ends in a movie, it skips back to previous chapters. i'm guessing this has to do with the dual layer burn. is there a way to avoid this? is it common? what is the ideal way to burn with Nero (video_ts folder)?
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9. November 2005 @ 10:52 |
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kramerica
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9. November 2005 @ 11:02 |
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at the risk of being too needy, is it the same with Nero 7? i've tried the udf (which i thought was dvd-rom) in the past and it resulted in a coaster.
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9. November 2005 @ 11:08 |
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oh bums... i completely overlooked the dual layer aspect of your thread. oops... anyway, Nero 6 is not overly smart at dealing with the layer break for dual layer burning, not sure if Nero 7 is any better (as i'm not gonna go Nero 7 myself). i skim-read this thread whilst doing umpteen other things (creaky slaps self). anyway i see you know about DVD Decrypter, which does know how to deal with the layer break.
To burn movies in Nero you pick compilation type of 'dvd-video'
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UGBIT
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10. November 2005 @ 17:39 |
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Nero 7 works great for DL discs. No problems so far. If you want too have a look go to http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/250075
This is the main topic of a thread already started (by me) with your same problem(s). I suggest you read all of it as i'm sure it will help. There is also a step-by-step guide.
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kramerica
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14. November 2005 @ 11:39 |
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thanks again everyone for the posts. it's good to know others have the same issues and we can learn from each others mistakes (and successes). here's an update: have burned successfully with Nero 7 using the dvd files option (the last one when switching to advanced settings). the only problem is this: when playing the dvd in standard players, there is video break-up and freezing right around the midway point. I'm guessing this is where Nero starts burning the second layer. The first couple times, I get this freeze while other times, it plays flawlessly. Why? Could it be that the burn needs time to "cure"? Has anyone else had this problem. Could it be I need to update my software further (using Nero 7 ultra)? Are there updates? Firmware?
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laddyboy
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14. November 2005 @ 11:52 |
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You need to update to the newest firmware when dealing with DL Media. Post your burner brand and model number and your firmware version and somebody will help you find the most recent firmware for your burner. This often fixes the problem. You can use Nero, DVD Decrypter, or DVD Identifier or any number of others to get your burner model and firmware version if necessary.
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kramerica
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18. November 2005 @ 04:53 |
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sounds like that could be the fix. my burner is lite-on SOHW-1673S with firmware rvision JS05. is it up to date?
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laddyboy
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18. November 2005 @ 07:09 |
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kramerica
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19. November 2005 @ 15:34 |
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ok, upgraded the firmware and am now using memorex dual layer which seem to burn as well as verbatim. tried two more burns and am getting the same dissolution at certain points of the movie. it seems to be at the middle which would support my theory about the transition b/w the first and second layer. i even tried iomega support and they say that the same thing occurs with commercial dvds. i don't seem to recall all the dvd's i've bought freezing in the middle from bad transitions. also, i've encountered problems with my high-end dvd player being able to read discs (is this the booktyping?) i feel like i'm close to getting this once and for all but need a few more tweaks.
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laddyboy
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19. November 2005 @ 17:11 |
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Stick one of your burned DL disks into your burner and run DVD Identifier (download address is in my signature below). Click the "Identify" button. If it was booktyped, the booktype will be DVD-ROM. If the booktype is +R DL, then booktyping is not implemented. Are you using DVD Decrypter for burning?
Verbatim is definitely the better media without any doubt, but the Ritek D01s that Memorex usually uses are not bad if you have the right firmware. DVD Identifier will indicate the media code for your Memorex DL as well. They may have changed manufacturers again. Let us know on your next post.
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kramerica
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19. November 2005 @ 19:35 |
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laddyboy,
here's the info from dvd identifier (i used a memorex for this burn). also, i'm using Nero 7 ultra.
INFO : Drive = LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S [FW JS0D]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R-DL:RITEK-D01-001]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 3324 kBps ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 3324 kBps ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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laddyboy
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20. November 2005 @ 04:38 |
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kramerica, this was a blank disk, wasn't it? I had hoped you would use one of your burned disks so we could see whether it was booktyped or not. It'll be in the line Disk and Booktype. Be sure the +R+RW media tab is clicked. If a burned DL disk is described as [+R DL] [DVD-ROM] it was booktyped. I see Memorex is still using the Ritek media. I also note your burner allows burning this media at 4X. I wouldn't advise that. For Verbatim it's OK, for the Ritek, not so much. I have used this media without any problems and certainly no freezing or pixelation at the layer break.
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sytyguy
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20. November 2005 @ 05:53 |
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kramerica,
Lite-on has a bitsetting tool that will, in fact, booktype your DVD burner to DVD-ROM. Sorry I do not have the URL handy, but I have used it frequently with my Litey.
HTH,
Rich
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kramerica
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20. November 2005 @ 06:13 |
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i think i copied the wrong info. the disc was indeed one that i had burned. here's the info. also, should i be using DVD Decrypter to burn. it just seems that Nero does it easily with the "burn dvd files" tab. could (would) that get rid of the digital break-up?
disc and book type DVD+R dl
i guess it wasn't booktyped as dvd-rom
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laddyboy
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20. November 2005 @ 06:26 |
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Definitely use DVD Decrypter for the DL burn. Nero doesn't do a good job sometimes. Burn this Memorex (Ritek) media at 2.4X.
Put Decrypter in Mode -> ISO Read and rip an iso file to your hard drive.
Put Decrypter in Mode -> ISO Write, select the MDS file related to the ripped iso file, and burn.
To enable the booktyping in DVD Decrypter:
1. Place Decrypter in ISO Write Mode.
2. Right click on the burner name in the Destination menu.
3. Select Change Book Type....
4. Click the Liteon tab
5. In the Change For: menu, select Drive (for DVD +R DL Media)
6. In the New Setting: menu select DVD-ROM.
7. Click OK
8. Repeat for +R and +RW media.
You should also be able to use the Booktype Utility here (scroll down):
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=83441
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kramerica
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1. December 2005 @ 06:59 |
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laddyboy, you are my dvd burning hero! i figured i had the problem licked. did everything you said (used decrypter to burn, changed booktype, etc) and things went well. started burning a number of discs. seemed to work fine. put one in my player last night and it started to break up. figured it was just one disc and proceeded to try some others i burned. most if not all did the same thing. what i thought were good burns, weren't. where do i go from here. currently have memorex dual layer discs, iomega dual layer drive updated (i think) to most current firmware. using decrypter to burn in iso mode. come to think of it, always had success burning 4.7 gb discs in file mode. it's what i first tried. the video on those never broke up. should i go back to trying to burn in file mode? can decrypter do this? is it simply a dual layer issue with the video break-up? i don't want to give up the ship here. believe i'm awfully close to solving this, but need additional help. laddyboy, do you (can you) successfully back up your dvds to dvd9s w/out video break-up? thanks in advance.
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sytyguy
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1. December 2005 @ 08:18 |
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kramerica,
I thought you had a Lite-on burner, and if so did you download the utility I mentioned and laddyboy pointed you to? If not, download it for you litey, and run it, selecting DVD-ROM, here it is again,
http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/e_downloads/e_utility.asp
And the utility is called BookType135.zip. This will fix your problems, enabling you to play all your future burnt discs.
Good luck,
Rich
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kramerica
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1. December 2005 @ 09:27 |
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My computer recognizes it as a lite-on, but the casing says iomega. so, i guess, technically it is a lite-on and i did download booktype and use it to change the dvds to dvd-rom. even after doing that, i still have a lot of video break-up when i play it in standard dvd players. the computer does recognize the burned discs now though.
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laddyboy
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1. December 2005 @ 10:27 |
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Either your burner doesn't like the media or your standalone doesn't. I don't know which. I assume you burned at 2X or 2.4X and not 4X. 4X is just too fast for the Memorex DL media. Did you ever try any +R Verbatim DL media to see if that was any better.
Also burning a folder of files ripped by Decrypter is different than burning an iso file ripped by Decrypter in my experience. I prefer the latter because Decrypter then seems to use the same layer break as the original. You could also try ImgBurn (free) for burning. Try whatever works for you. I have no luck with Nero and DL disks and my burner so I stick with Decrypter.
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kramerica
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1. December 2005 @ 10:43 |
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any thought on why a disc seems to work perfectly fine after burning and then later starts breaking up? i use memorex at 2.4. have used verbatim as well and thought that could be the issue until the same thing happened with the verbatim medium. does imgburn work the same as decrypter. would you happen to have the link? can decrypter burn the backed up video files the same as an iso image? i'm willing to try that. remember i used Nero burn the files before to no avail. the dvd player i'm using to play the discs is a fairly top of the line (has a dvi output). i'd probably have more success with a $40 one.
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