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29. April 2008 @ 04:35 |
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marsey99,
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2 things do stand out as negatives for me with it tho, firstly the vdoop, but this could be my now aging 600w psu. then theres the memory controller, it is really limited compared to the 650 with the multipliers i can use, the 650 had dozens of div/multis but this only has about 8. not a real big issue but it just means i have to run 1:1.
My Vdroop amounts to 3/100 of a volt, so I consider that negligible. My only experience with the 650 was bad so I really can't comment much on it. I remember you had to set things a bit higher to get the exact speeds you wanted. I had to set the memory speed a couple of clicks above 800MHz to get it to show an actual 800MHz both in the post and CPUz That was on a P5N-e. While the adjustments for setting the memory speed were many, it also had a ton of Black holes with the E4300. Strangely, the chipset ran quite cool at 3.0GHz Still does in fact! Gina says the chipset runs at 32-33C, while Sam's ran very hot in the mid 70C range, yet the MB reported the temp as 28C. 28C will not burn your hand, 75C will! My Chipset temp is around 43C, but I'm looking to lower that in a couple of days after I install the Enzotech CNB-R1 and the present 40MM Antek fan. I'll soon find out! LOL!!
Your build looks very good. I wish you good luck with it.
Best Regards,
Russ
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29. April 2008 @ 04:37 |
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The board claimed to be 43C just like my P35 and X38 boards do. Thing is, the Gigabyte boards are about right whereas the Asus definitely wasn't. To make a big overclock I remember having to overvolt the northbridge loads. You would think that would be why it got so hot and ultimately met its demise, but even setting all the voltages (CPU included) back to stock, it still ran just as hot...
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29. April 2008 @ 05:29 |
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sammorris,
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The board claimed to be 43C just like my P35 and X38 boards do. Thing is, the Gigabyte boards are about right whereas the Asus definitely wasn't. To make a big overclock I remember having to overvolt the northbridge loads. You would think that would be why it got so hot and ultimately met its demise, but even setting all the voltages (CPU included) back to stock, it still ran just as hot...
That's why I'm still puzzled. Gina's not only ran much cooler at 32-33C, it wasn't hot to the touch. I didn't own a thermal probe then, but I could touch it with the back of my hand without any discomfort. I just wonder why Hers runs so cool, when so many other peoples run so hot. She has to be the Queen of Procrastinators! She still hasn't sent that defective Seagate 160. I made the mistake of telling her that the warranty was 5 years so now it will probably sit for another 4 years or so! LOL!!
With mine running at 2.66GHz and only 1 stick of 512MB/667 ram my temps are also the same. I disabled the CPU clock control, set the memory control to auto and the voltages to auto, and the temps are exactly the same. I just pray that the new Dominators pass Memtest86! I'm not going to be a very happy camper if they don't. The G.Skills I had wouldn't even pass at 880MHz I had hundreds of errors. All of them in Test 5. Newegg picked up the tab for the shipping, so I'm not losing anything this time. I have them all packed up and the UPS stuff attached so I'll take them to the office tomorrow and send them back. Takes about 3-4 days to get the credit on the credit card. I just hope I get the Rebate on the Dominators, as that's $40 to the good, making them just $54 for the pair. I don't think that my E6750 will run much above 3.6GHz. I guess I just got one of the lesser CPUs. Somebody has to, but why me! LOL!! It took far too much voltage for it to hit 4.0GHz to begin with at 1.57v. never again! I'm thinking of trying 514x7 for the fsb which would get the memory to 1000MHz and the CPU to 3598MHz. Still, it manages 33,000+ MIPS at 3.6GHz so I'm not complaining. I know the CPU runs fine at 3.6 as I ran the Gromacs test on the CPU for a couple of hours with no errors. It only crashed when I added the memory to the test! I may even go back to the F10 bios as I went from F9 to F11. GigaByte calls for the F10 bios for mu CPU. We'll see! I'm going to clear the CMOS and start from scratch, with the voltages at default. I would like to be able to drop the voltage a bit as I'm not real thrilled with 1.47v, and see how far it OC's. Stay tuned!
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Russ
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29. April 2008 @ 11:04 |
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f11 or f10 i think is what they recommend for my cpu too but it shipped with f7 and its working fine so it can stay as is.
to get 4.2ghz i had to set it to 1.44v, this came down to 1.4v idle and 1.36v under load. i told myself i wasnt going above 1.4v and in a roundabout way i stuck to it.
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sam ty for that, the weird thing is everest says the 12 5 and 3.3v lines are all running a little bit higher than they did when it was plugged into the p5n? in that it reported them just bellow and now they read just above???
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29. April 2008 @ 12:23 |
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Different accuracy of the sensors maybe...
As for the king of procrastinators, I've got two HDDs still yet to be RMAed...
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29. April 2008 @ 13:11 |
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marsey99,
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the weird thing is everest says the 12 5 and 3.3v lines are all running a little bit higher than they did when it was plugged into the p5n? in that it reported them just bellow and now they read just above???
All of those programs are like that to a degree, depending on the MB, and some times even the installation. I can't get any temperature readings at all with Sandra, Speed fan doesn't work right either. The regular 420 version of Everest doesn't report my voltages right. Both the 420 Corporate edition and now 450 Ultimate edition do. I've updated some drivers, so maybe that's the reason as the 450 Ultimate Edition didn't read right back when I first installed it on this MB. maybe it's upgrades I get from time to time with the Ultimate Edition. Whatever it is it works fine now and agrees with my Thermal Probe pretty much within a degree or so. I'm anxious to see how the Enzotech cooler will do on the NB! My memory just got here. So did my Boss, who's late! LOL!! What else is new! GTG!
Best Regards,
Russ
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29. April 2008 @ 16:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
grab a voltage monitoring program like everest and see what your 12V rail is at, that way you can determine whether it's the PSU or the Vregs on the motherboard.
Also run OCCT for at least 10min in center blend to see graph for vdroop of all 3 main rails under loading too. Lot of PSU's ping higher when idle to make up for this, But some older ASUS, I used, tend to vboost to also make up for it too so it's good to know ahead of time.
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ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
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29. April 2008 @ 18:46 |
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marsey99,
What revision is your Motherboard? Judging by the bios revision you mentioned It should be a Rev. 1.0 or a 2.0. I'm super careful about that because I ran into that situation one time when BioStar accidentally got their revisions mixed up between the GeForce 6100-M9 and the TForce 6100. When I flashed the bios, the MB wouldn't boot. They did overnight me a MB though, so it wasn't really a problem for me. You just have to be carefull and make sure you have the right bios for your MB revision.
Best Regards,
Russ
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29. April 2008 @ 20:53 |
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Ok, so the overclocking the RAM went as such.
The OCZ RAM is actually not supported by my board correctly. It only works if I use the Adata RAM and set the speed at 800MHz and turn it off and install the OCZ.
Both RAMs overclock at the most of 855MHz at 2.00v. (Original is 1.8 and 2.1)
Now what I want to do is sell either the Adata or OCZ and get 1 set of 4GB alone. Either the Crucial Ballistix or Patriot or some good brand that my board supports.
Why does my motherboard, Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP have RAM compatibility issues? My BIOS is updated to the Latest. Any 3rd Party BIOS's that I could use on this board?
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29. April 2008 @ 22:04 |
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is that a g/p33? the mem controller is the reason if it is, they can only handle low desity ic chips and im pretty sure they dont like it with 4 dual sided sticks too.
russ its a 2.0 with only the usb on the io. from what i have read these seem to be the best version as these nb are doing 600fsb, they put the same version in the ds2r for a bit and i have seen a couple of them doing 600fsb too. mine only needed stock volts till i hit 500fsb, over the moon :D
as for the 650/mem thing. mine would do as it was told with the fsb/mem speeds if i had worked out the divider first if my math was of slighlty then it would work around my settings to give me the closest speeds with the dividers it could use. if i had it set too 400fsb and ddr800 it was laughing on a 1:1 or 400fsb to ddr1000 it was 4:5 but 420fsb with ddr1000 would give me a daft 13:16 or somthing and drop the ram to ddr991ish (last 1 is a guess so it most likly is wrong). what i dont like about this is the way ist 2.0 2.4 3.0 4.0 and it really limits how i can run the ram.i cant just raise it slowly to see how far i can go and it makes the whole ballencing act of finding the sweetspot for my oc even harder. dont even ask about the pcie either coz that really blows wont even post past 110 but the 650 was laughing all the way upto 130.
i guess thats the trade off tho, lost some mem and pcie bandwidth but gained lots of raw cpu power due to the extra i can oc.
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29. April 2008 @ 22:43 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Why does my motherboard, Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP have RAM compatibility issues? My BIOS is updated to the Latest. Any 3rd Party BIOS's that I could use on this board?
Are you trying to overclock the rest of the system with 4 slots occupied? This is a big issue on many chipsets, even the top end mobos. It is a major chipset stress load for any system to have to address at stock, so imaging overclocked. You should decide if you need a server with 4+ GB RAM or a overclocking gaming rig w/ 2gb stable.
You can balance it out somewhere inbetween, but not gonna' get both. You might have some luck on an ASUS w/ 2x 2g sticks more over 4x 1g for a mild OC but w/ loose timings, and especially the trfc to 50~55 if available in your BIOS. If not, OCZ 2x 2g kits (recent releases, come spd programed to trfc 50 for 4 gb config. It just stresses the overall system so mobo volts need to be increased and timings relaxed to keep it stable. OCZ makes some fo the better kits for 2x 2g and able to mild OC. I did get OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 to DDR1000 (trfc 42) @ 2.2v so it just depends on the rest of the OC. 1:2 @ 250FSB or 1:1 as 500 is best.
If for real gaming and overclocking, stick to 2x 1gb kits of PC2-8500 for best room to play. Use them as DDR800 or go for 1200 if you system can take it.
Sony PSP/PS3,
ASUS RAMPAGE II EXTREME(X58) w/ i7 930 DO @ 4.305GHz (205x21 @ 1.323v) 2:8 DDR1680 @ 6-6-6-18
ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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30. April 2008 @ 06:24 |
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I heard about there being issues with heavy overclocks with all slots filled. Is this only if you're overclocking the memory? Because I've pulled a 75% overclock on my CPU which methinks is as far as the CPU can go before I go too far beyond 1.4V and have no problemd with all four memory slots filled, and that's been on two separate motherboards now.
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30. April 2008 @ 12:56 |
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yes sam, 4 dimms can reduce the highest frequncy you will hit on your ram but it can also drop your highest fsb too. it depends on the fsb your pulling, 75% on the 4300 isnt massive compared to what some people are pulling today.
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30. April 2008 @ 13:32 |
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That makes sense. So if I was to get a Q6600 my overclock could be stunted by the fact that I'd have 4 sticks of RAM? Bear in mind I'd only be looking for somewhere along the lines of 3.4Ghz tops.
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30. April 2008 @ 13:35 |
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a person needs to be able to run orthos or OCCT before they can actually say their OC is stable. mine would boot and perform everday tasks just fine at considerable lower vcore and NB voltages but to run orthos or OCCT, I had to raise both voltages.
I had my E6600 OC'ed to 3.6ghz at 1.425 vcore and although it would perform everyday tasks and dvd-rb/cce just fine, it was not orthos or OCCT stable at that vcore.
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30. April 2008 @ 13:39 |
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Fair enough. How long is sufficient for a reasonable guarantee of stability? I may run it later.
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30. April 2008 @ 13:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Fair enough. How long is sufficient for a reasonable guarantee of stability? I may run it later.
the big dogs say 6 hours. personally I don't like to stress my components that hard, that long. I run them an hour. very rarely is there going to be that kind of a demand on your pc in the real world so why torture your hardware that hard that long and lower their life expectancy or damange something. just my opinion of course.
but to actually say my OC is stable it would have to pass 6 hours.
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30. April 2008 @ 13:51 |
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Ok, I'll give it an hour tonight and see what happens.
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30. April 2008 @ 16:44 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
Originally posted by sammorris:
the big dogs say 6 hours. personally I don't like to stress my components that hard, that long. I run them an hour. very rarely is there going to be that kind of a demand on your pc in the real world so why torture your hardware that hard that long and lower their life expectancy or damange something. just my opinion of course.
but to actually say my OC is stable it would have to pass 6 hours.
I 2nd that opinoin. I used to go for 12hrs long and shortened to 6 in 2 shifts then multiple 3hrs but now donw to random 1+ hr test. For Prime 95 v25.5, I run 2hrs in each section, but not have to be one right after the other. I like to randomize the load. I also occassionally retest for a 1hr in OCCT or Prime blend after miner changes to profile or drivers for stability. YES, changing drivers has been known to change a stable profile in XP. Especially RAID, INF, or VGA. For those of us on a RAID w/ fast drives, should also look into some sort of app to test sub systems for stability. Noe of the major benches really cahllange them enough. For nVidia users, there's apps to sub test NB~SB link HTT and PEG lanes.
For 4 stick RAM. Overclocking the CPU on the highest multi is the less stress on mobo so RAM and FSB is very limited. So it should be fine, but it (mobo) will still need more then it did for only 2 slots, not by too much, but a bit more load on NB. Use of more FSBT and NB GTL_Ref can help there, as well as slightly relaxed timings as compared to a 2 slot rig (if RAM is at same or very close to spec'd).
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ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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30. April 2008 @ 18:17 |
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My max now for overclockig is 3.07 GHz and 855 MHz on the RAM. Prime 95 was fine after an hour. I could go higher with better components or less RAM but think about it, Do I really need faster? Its a Q6600!
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You don't NEED to go any higher. But still, it's a Q6600 it should be able to go higher than that!
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30. April 2008 @ 18:38 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
You don't NEED to go any higher. But still, it's a Q6600 it should be able to go higher than that!
I know I don't need to, thats why I stopped. I can't go higher because of my RAM I bet and because of my stupid fan that can't cool it at those speeds.
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30. April 2008 @ 18:57 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
I know I don't need to, thats why I stopped. I can't go higher because of my RAM I bet and because of my stupid fan that can't cool it at those speeds.
I didn't know that fans could be so happy. :)
Which Q6600 do you have?? G0 or C3 stepping?? I'm curious because I have the B3 version and plan on OC'in when I get my GFX card RMA'd. :)
Also which cpu cooler did you get? Sorry if you've already answered those questions.... I'm lazy and don't want to read the last 10 pages.... :P
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