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5. March 2009 @ 14:42 |
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How do the Greenpowers compare to,
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb
would U classify them as superior
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5. March 2009 @ 14:47 |
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Hey Guys, Russ sorry not getting back lately, been so damn buzy fixing things around the house my niece is coming from England saturday for several weeks it's been hectic.
Russ I still need to install the exhuast fan, probably will give you a call next week sometime, my son is home on spring break, he went ape s#*t over the new build, all his friends were amazed also.
I said I was gonna take it and let them use my HP, it almost started a riot, I was just busting balls anyway, I'm really happy to see them get excited over it, they all love and can't believe how speedy it is.
My friend Boris called the other day and asked how was it running, I told him it was great, he said anytime I want to build another one to call him cause he said he enjoyed helping me and learned some things himself, all in all it was a great experiance and so happy I did it.
Well gotta go back to the tile work in the downstairs bathroom, wanna make things nice for the niece. (Keep on Building).
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The 7200.11 7200rpm 1TB drives are the brute heavyweights. Hot, power-hungry and comparatively noisy (though far better than most of Seagate's other drives), but faster.
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Here's an interesting article from Xbit labs on overclocking the Phenom II 940!
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/phenom-2-overclocking-p1.html
There were some interesting things mentioned that have me wondering what AMD's next step along the way will be! One of the more interesting things was this.
"Even though all our games seriously load a graphics card, increased CPU clock rate makes itself felt in all tests. Some of them even show linear response. That's a brilliant show of Phenom II scalability. If performance in non-synthetic tests is limited by small cache or any other architectural restrictions, manufacturing processors with higher clock rates and their overclocking have no future".
Since AMD has so far brought everything along in slow but steady stages, showing improvements along the way with each new release! My best guess is that more L2 Cache is the next thing AMD will address and rectify in coming revisions of the CPU!
It's an interesting read. One that will give a better insight to overclocking the 940BE!
Enjoy,
Russ
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I'll be honest, that statement goes for pretty much any processor. In most of the games I tested, while the cache could affect performance noticeably, scaling still remained linear with clock speed, just reduced.
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10. March 2009 @ 04:10 |
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Well, the higher the resolution, the less the system is bound by the CPU's performance, so the less accurate the test is. Detail level in my mind should always be maxed out, as more graphics settings than you might think have an impact on CPU usage, especially in games like Crysis:Warhead, but the resolution has no impact on the CPU at all, so it should realistically be as low as possible in at least one of the tests. Another feature irrelevant to the CPU is Anti-Aliasing, so should never be enabled during the test. Unfortunately, it has been in Warhead, so the results are not pointless, but of little value, as in Warhead in particular, AA really harms graphics performance.
At that low resolution, you should be seeing far more than 1 extra frame per second going from 3Ghz to 3.755, a lot more. Enabling AA and only using an HD4850 has dropped the numbers significantly.
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10. March 2009 @ 18:02 |
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I just ordered a new motherboard from newegg! The GA-MA790GP-DS4H has been discontinued in favor of the GA-MA790GP-UD4H. I knew that was going to happen, as it made no sense to me to make what is essentially the same MB, with a price difference of only $4. The UD4H has a little better layout of the Sata ports and a better heatsink on the SB. That's the extent of the differences. Hopefully it will be here in the morning, as they are overnighting it to me!
Stay Tuned Kiddies,
Russ
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Most of the DS brand boards are being rebranded as UD across the Gigabyte range, some of them with minor changes as you see.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Most of the DS brand boards are being rebranded as UD across the Gigabyte range, some of them with minor changes as you see.
No Sir, I'm sorry, but that is not quite correct! The new UD boards are based on the DS, but are a re-design rather than a revision. With the GA-MA790GP-UD4H, I lose the Parallel port, so the Mustek 600 EP-III scanner is permanently retired. The Sata ports are split 4 and 2. The traces on the motherboard are Copper, about 2 Oz of it per motherboard. You also get a better heatsink fot the southbridge, and a backing plate for the CPU cooler mounting. It's a pity that they haven't got the graphics figured out yet, but I did notice that Avivo is missing in the drivers for mine. The don't include it anymore!
I think I've got the ATi Blues! After a number of conversations with GigaByte and AMD today, I downloaded the latest HD-3300 drivers and the latest version of Avivo. ATi Argued that it was the monitor, but it's use for over a week on 10 different computers with no problems, and adding 5 more today, 2 Desktops and 3 laptops With the drivers, I got the magnificent picture back, but it was no go with Avivo. It didn't work on the DS4H, and it doesn't work on the UD4H either, so there's no hardware acceleration for the software to control so my DVDs, while looking great still makes the screen bump and jump along. The farther away you are from the action, the worse it is. The background seems to move in big chunks, stuttering along. I think I'm just going to buy an nVidia PCI-E 2.0 card. In fact I'm thinking about this one right now! Biostar V9503GT21 GeForce 9500 GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141078
I just don't seem to have much luck with ATi video. I think I would rather get the GeForce card, than to wait for ATi to get it right. At least The 9500 GT, should be a better card than my old 7600GT was, and when ATi finally gets around to addressing the problem and the HD-3300 works as good as the HD-3200 on the 780GX did, I'll use it and put this card in Oxi, as the 6150 graphics aren't the greatest, even with 2GB of ram! It pales next to the HD-3200 graphics of the BioStar and Gigabyte 780GX graphics. I've looked around and I can't find any better nVidia card for the same or less money. It's the only nVidia at that price or lower that gives you GDDR3 memory. I can afford $75, with the Tax and shipping! That's it!! This one comes to $72.41 delivered! Feel free to make any suggestions, as long as they are nVidia. Like I said, I've got the ATi Blues! ROFL!!
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I wouldn't really call removing the parallel port a major redesign, besides a lot of the DS boards have already done away with it.
The main feature of UD4 though is better chipst heatsinks, well, better than the standard boards anyway.
You don't need hardware acceleration to play DVDs. If that's the problem you've got, your DVD decoder isn't working and it's nothing to do with the graphics chip, as the CPU renders DVDs perfectly smoothly, even on an old Athlon XP.
Have you considered the bugs you're experiencing may be limited to ATI's integrated offerings?
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14. March 2009 @ 06:45 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I wouldn't really call removing the parallel port a major redesign, besides a lot of the DS boards have already done away with it.
The main feature of UD4 though is better chipst heatsinks, well, better than the standard boards anyway.
You don't need hardware acceleration to play DVDs. If that's the problem you've got, your DVD decoder isn't working and it's nothing to do with the graphics chip, as the CPU renders DVDs perfectly smoothly, even on an old Athlon XP.
Have you considered the bugs you're experiencing may be limited to ATI's integrated offerings?
I'm sure of it! the HD-3200 was magnificent to watch even on a cheapie no name monitor that came from a tire store in LA! Now the graphics are there, but no smoothness to the DVDs and the digital doesn't pick it up at all. Just a black screen! Tomorrow I'll pull the Lite-On out of Oxi and try it and see how it plays. I just tried playing direct from the hard drive and it's the same thing! Both Pioneers played about the same, on the old nVidia 64MB PCI card from the Dell Workstation. I even tried it on that for three days, and while it struggled with the high resolution, it did work, though painfully slow. I even tried VLC Player, which will work on darn near any computer. It has it's own decoder and it plays the same. Something in the video drivers or bios, and I'm not sending it back again! It doesn't fair any better with the big 19" Dell Flatscreen CRT either at 1280x1024. I know they'll get the bugs out, but I don't want to wait!
I'm short on memory right now as the Dell only has 512MB and only one 1GHz P-III CPU at the moment. Two of my Rambus 256's died! Originally we were going to put 2GB in it, but I think we've grown well past the old Dell. It just can't hold it's own anymore, it's no longer a viable computer, and isn't going to get much better than it was with a gig and two 1GHz CPUs. It's just too old and too slow! It's officially become a semi-retired emergency computer!
Russ
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Perhaps consider an HD3450? By all means buy something like an 8400GS, but I see that more as avoiding the problem than solving it...
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14. March 2009 @ 09:21 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Perhaps consider an HD3450? By all means buy something like an 8400GS, but I see that more as avoiding the problem than solving it...
It's not a problem that's up to me to solve. At least they are moving the right direction as it now shows my monitor as a Sceptre in Catalyst.
BTW when I said Parallel port, I meant the header for it on the motherboard isn't there, not the physical port. I have the break-out for it, but no internal plug on the motherboard to plug it into.
Russ
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14. March 2009 @ 15:39 |
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sam,
Here's what display properties showed originally.
Here's what it showed after installing the latest drivers!
Notice that #1 is now shown as a widescreen, where when it was the default monitor, it was 4:3 and there was no 1680x1050 listed in the resolution. It jumped from 1600x1200 to 1792x1344.
I didn't take any screen shots of CCC before because it was the same in display properties. This is what it shows now!
Again, note the #1 display. It shows a widescreen, and it shows it as a Sceptre. If you try and adjust any of the display settings in CCC, it will switch the screen to 1600x1200, and you have to pan both sides of the screen as it's too wide to fit the monitor. It may say 1680x1050, but it's not what you get. The funny thing is if you change the resolution to something less, and re-boot, it comes up in a proper 1680x1050! I don't have the time to wait for ATi to get it right!
BTW, you mentioned a 3450 or an 8400. Is the 8400 a better card than the 9500 GT I linked to? I chose the Biostar because of the GDDR3 memory, and the faster memory speed. It was the only nVidia, at that price with decent specs! Is that a mistake on my part?
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Russ
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Fair enough. To be honest, keeping Parallel on a board is a bit of an anachronism these days.
As for the problem with your card, it's specific to that GPU, not all ATIs, as I've never seen anyone else with that problem, I certainly don't have it. Dropping a brand due to one bad product is fair enough, but don't push that on anyone else. One GPU isn't enough evidence to condemn ATIs as a whole. Remembering that is all that separates real users from the nvidia fan club.
For ref, The 9500 is much better than the 8400, but the 8400 is much cheaper and uses less power (and is on par with the HD3300 in terms of performance)
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Fair enough. To be honest, keeping Parallel on a board is a bit of an anachronism these days.
As for the problem with your card, it's specific to that GPU, not all ATIs, as I've never seen anyone else with that problem, I certainly don't have it. Dropping a brand due to one bad product is fair enough, but don't push that on anyone else. One GPU isn't enough evidence to condemn ATIs as a whole. Remembering that is all that separates real users from the nvidia fan club.
For ref, The 9500 is much better than the 8400, but the 8400 is much cheaper and uses less power (and is on par with the HD3300 in terms of performance)
Sam,
I'm not condemning anything, it's just my luck with ATi. I just don't want to spend the next couple of months fiddling with it, so I'll get the 9500GT. I didn't see anything better for $75 or less total cost. I would love to be able to afford the MSI HD-4850 that I like so much, but just don't have the dollars to afford it! LOL!!
Power is not a problem, and I don't think heat will be either as the case cools real well, plus the side lower intake fan will blow cool air right on the video card, and do something useful for a change.
Russ
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My hunch is that you wouldn't have to spend more than 10 minutes fiddling if you bought a dedicated ATI card, but I can totally empathise with forgetting about lengthy diagnostics and extra expense. I'm up to my eyeballs in really expensive hardware with Crossfire X and am no closer to getting it working.
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I'm not condemning anything, it's just my luck with ATi. I just don't want to spend the next couple of months fiddling with it, so I'll get the 9500GT.
I've experienced all types of PC problems over the years but I've never had one with a Video card that affected my decision to purchase a competing product except for performance. Although I admittedly have more Nvidia cards than I do ATI cards (they're better for folding), dollar for dollar ATI cards at this time are ahead of Nvidia cards where it counts. Whether I choose a Nvidia card or an ATI card, they always work to their specs for me.
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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I'm not condemning anything, it's just my luck with ATi. I just don't want to spend the next couple of months fiddling with it, so I'll get the 9500GT.
I've experienced all types of PC problems over the years but I've never had one with a Video card that affected my decision to purchase a competing product except for performance. Although I admittedly have more Nvidia cards than I do ATI cards (they're better for folding), dollar for dollar ATI cards at this time are ahead of Nvidia cards where it counts. Whether I choose a Nvidia card or an ATI card, they always work to their specs for me.
Sophocles,
Since it's OBG, and the problems are obviously in the software, I just don't want to waste the next couple of months waiting for ATi to get it right. The Video chip is the same on the 780GX as it is on the 790GX, and all the HD-3200 graphics I've seen so far, have wowed me! I'm just "snake bit" when it comes to ATi. The best ATi I've had to date was the Sapphire X800-GTO I had, and even it gave me a couple of problems, although nothing serious like this. There doesn't seem to be hardly any video acceleration at all. The computer runs fine, except for the video. I don't feel that I want to waste the time waiting for ATi to get whatever the problem is cured, and I have a good use for the 9500 GT, once they do cure it! If it worked OK with a different monitor, that would be one thing, but the video suffers the same problem with every monitor I've tried on it, be it CRT or LCD! The Graphics are stunning, as long as they don't move! LOL!! Even dragging a window around on the desktop, the edges of the window fracture when you try to move the window fast. There's just no speed!
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So it's integrated graphics at fault, but since you're buying a dedicated card, you still can't use an ATi, just because their integrated graphics specifically have issues... Doesn't make much sense to me.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
So it's integrated graphics at fault, but since you're buying a dedicated card, you still can't use an ATi, just because their integrated graphics specifically have issues... Doesn't make much sense to me.
Sam,
I don't think it's the hardware, because it worked magnificently with the 780GX chipset, and the video portion of the NB is the same. It's not that I can't use an ATi card, it's the fact that I've had so many problems in the past with ATi video cards, I feel snake bit by them! I could well put a 3850 in it or even a 4850 if I had the money. I'm just so much more comfortable with nVidia cards. The only issues I ever had with all the ones I've owned over the years have been minimal and usually were resolved with different drivers. It also disturbs me that ATi has no answer at the moment for these problems! Then again, most enthusiasts, gamers and so on, don't use the OBG anyway!
I went to AMD's site as instructed and downloaded the latest HD-3300 drivers and Avivo, and the only improvements I got was it sometimes shows the monitor as a Sceptre and it does render 1680x1050 properly, but only if I don't let CCC load. Otherwise there is no 1680x1050 listed at all, as a choice. With the 9500 GT, I know it will work with DVI, as I tried it on several other computers with other various nVidia cards, including the 9500 GT! It also worked on several older ATi cards as well! Unless I was going to do HyBrid CrossFire, the 3450 is a lot less video card than I want!
I just ordered this!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127373
Less money, free shipping and comes with a free Far Cry 2 PC Game. It also has a DVI and an HDMI port instead of a VGA Port. Outstanding!
Russ
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Well, I'm still having problems with optical drives. I just sent back the two Pioneers and replaced them with two AD-7220s drives. At first only the first one (Drive "H") would see a blank DVD and the second one (Drive "I") wouldn't. I was able to burn on each drive although I got 12 errors with Drive "I". Now it will no longer sees blank DVD media on drive "G", only Drive "I". There is no way that you could possibly get 7 bad drives in a row!
Another thing is it rarely boots on the first try any longer. It usually takes two or three tries to get it to boot. I've downloaded the latest chipset drivers that I got from AMD for the 790GX chipset, and upgraded the bios to the latest. I can finally set my memory to dual channel, and there's a few more adjustments added to the setup.
All I know is that it's driving me crazy! LOL!!
Russ
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