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TY has Varying Quality of their DVDs
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dilligaf9
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1. February 2006 @ 06:23 |
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I wondered if there was a quality difference between TYs DVD discs in the cake box and Value Disc wrapped spindles. It seems they do sell Grade A and Grade B discs. Im not putting Ty down just wondered why the sold the product in different ways. It seems they do market "seconds" or less than perfect DVD discs also. Here is the link http://cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=151276#151276. Hope I don't offend any one on this forum, its just another area to watch out for....
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1. February 2006 @ 06:31 |
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Good information in that thread, but I'd like to get our resident TY expert in on this one.
docTY...where are you?
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1. February 2006 @ 08:42 |
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1. February 2006 @ 17:20 |
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hi dilligaf9,
LOCOENG has brought this thread to my attention... :)
first off, you have to consider the FACT that every forum, will have their OWN take on Taiyo Yuden media....each forum will have their own "Taiyo Yuden expert" or "media guy" and i give all those guys respect for what they know...whether it be the TY guy @ digital-digest, cd-freaks, cdrlabs, whichever... :)
but as to this ongoing debate between the "value disc" vs the "premium line", this is something that has been "kept under wraps" for quite awhile now...
while i can't say that i KNOW every little detail or "dirty lil secret" that goes on over at Taiyo Yuden, i WILL confirm that even Taiyo Yuden has their various "quality" lines of media...
in terms of feedback and isolated incidences where people have gotten "bad batches" with imperfections in the dye from sources/resellers such as supermediastore.com, OF COURSE this is bound to happen...there is not a single manufacturer in the WORLD that can claim 100% perfection on EVERY SINGLE disc they offer/sell to the market~!
let's take a look at what i consider the "big 3"...yes, there are MANY other manufacturers, but the quality on them is not even worth talking about for sake of a semi-fair comparison (ie. optodisc, princo, prodisc, and other poor no name manufacturers outta hong- kong, taiwan or even china among other countries of origin)
MCC (Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp), TY (Taiyo Yuden), and CMC MAG (CMC Magnetics) ALL have "bad batches" *with CMC MAG being the highest in the "bad batches" category LOL* not a SINGLE manufacturer out there has "perfect" media, we as the consumer, can only go with the companies that have a PROVEN track record of being reliable/good quality/least amount of errors (defects) from batch to batch...while some prefer MCC media, others prefer TY media...and then even SOME people insist and swear by CMC MAG media *cough cd-freaks cough* :)
so, just had to get that outta the way 1st before tackling this TY debate...
yes, there are 2 lines of product from Taiyo Yuden...the "valueline" which is sold at both supermediastore.com and meritline.com (both are STILL reputable sellers of Taiyo Yuden) and the "premiumline" which is sold at those 2 aforementioned stores along with rima.com as well as other online retailers...
while Taiyo Yuden DOES NOT MAKE it clear to those that are actually BUYING TY media, the "valueline" is a more affordable way for people to get TYs, but they COULD or COULD NOT be grade B discs...
you can NOT judge the quality of TY discs simply by comparing product code numbers given by the company to discern their media...you are basically trying to compare apples to oranges based on product code numbers/sku numbers...this does NOT distinguish the "good" from the "bad" :)
this whole debate on "grade A" or "grade B" does not only affect their DVD-R line, it goes on in their DVD+R line as well...some of the smaller "brands" that sell Taiyo Yuden produced media buy the "grade B" or "valueline" product from Taiyo Yuden and sell it under THEIR oWN company branding...would this constitute it being "bad"...definitely NOT~! :)
there are diff. testing methods used by Taiyo Yuden, this is NOT something that the buying public knows about...they test their media using some high-technology machines that calculate the REAL quality of the media being produced (nero's cd-dvd quality tests, kprobe, dvdinfopro tests are not even in the same CATEGORY, let alone level as the tests Taiyo Yuden runs on their media before it's sold off)
from these tests, they will separate the "premium" ones from the "less-than premium" ones and then decide who to sell which one to...but, realize, they DO still sell both as long as they pass the minimum requirements that are pre-set~
the "premium" line tests out with scores of 99 and above and are sold as such, the "valueline" tests out with scores of 94-97 and above. the only thing somewhat "shady" about this is the marketing factor...some online retailers will advertise the "premium" TYs as Taiyo Yuden's line of products, but on the very next page will make NO MENTION of the "valueline" TYs being sold as "genuine Taiyo Yudens"...this can be a little deceptive to the untrained eye, but in the same breath, consumers will have NO WAY of really knowing which ones they are going to get...marketing is very sneaky...
so, i don't know if i've just made this MORE confusing than when i started, but to the avg. Taiyo Yuden user...unless you get a "bad batch" with VISIBLE defects in the dye, you need not worry...the "valueline" of TYs is VERY GOOD, still much higher in quality than many "premium" dvd media produced by other manufacturers...
i personally use BOTH the "valueline" and "premium" Taiyo Yudens, purchased in the wrapped 100 spindles or the 50-pack cake boxes respectively, unless you are just simply VERY PARANOID about ONLY USING THE VERY BEST MEDIA AVAILABLE..then, i would suggest you only buy the "premium" TYs available in the cake box...these ARE the "premium" ones...yes, you are correct in stating Quote:
It seems they do market "seconds" or less than perfect DVD discs also.
and are marketed as such as the "value-line" of Taiyo Yuden, BUT, that does NOT mean you will get sub-par quality discs each time...they scored only a little lower on the quality tests at the time of production, but does that equate them to be poor quality? most certainly it DOES NOT. :)
a real world example of this "comparison" could be something like this...
2 kids take a math test, one scores a 99% as he/she missed only 1 equation, the other kid scores a 95% missing 2 equations on the exam...would you say the 1st kid is "smarter" than the 2nd? simply based on ONE (1) test score? does that make the 2nd kid a dummy? i think not... :)
the same holds true with the 2 Taiyo Yuden discs...while YES, the fact of 1 test score DOES prove that the quality is only SLIGHTLY higher in the "premium" line, but that does NOT make the "valueline" any worse on any other given day...you have an equal chance of getting a "bad batch" on the premium line as you do of getting a "bad batch" on the value line...that would lead us to start another conversation as to what one would consider "bad"...you would have to define your interpretation of what is considered "good" or "bad" or even "acceptable" to you in regards to media...
but i'll save that for another day... :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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dilligaf9
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2. February 2006 @ 04:50 |
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Hey Doc. Sorry to work you up on this topic, was not my intention. Im not putting TY down for what they do , most all companies market items this way. What I wanted to express is this puts a whole new twist on diagnosing and helping AD members with burning issues and pif and pie errors. Im thinking now when a higher than normal error rate appears with TY media, you have to ask is it Premium or the Value disk, besides do you have the most current firmware. Being new at this I appreciate all the info that is available to all. The info on this forum would take a lifetime for 1 person to acquire on his own. I have purchased Premium and Value disks from Supermedia store, great people, great company, just could not find out why they were package different. I could not see any defects by eye. And when TY or any company makes a zillion of these disks in a week there will be defects. TY does make the best media to date, but now we can't assume that all the media out there for sale is 99/100 percent perfect. This just adds another question in our quest to burn a perfect DVD. ....
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daman1
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2. February 2006 @ 08:25 |
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Hey doc,,i got some TY's in from supermediastore.com last week
and they say "Value DVD-R"on the ring lable,there GGxxx's,,So would thes be "VALUE" grade then??????????
what does your ring lable say when you get them????
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2. February 2006 @ 10:25 |
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@dilligaf9
no worries, didn't get me worked up..i just have a bad habit of typing a lot, i try to be as complete as possible on my 1st try (if you've seen any of my "longer" posts from say 6 months ago, that last response to you is NOTHING) :)
anyways, i DO agree with your reasoning; IF you have a particular disc that does have an unusually high number of errors, this WOULd make me question the actual "quality" of the media too~ :) whether it actually be "valueline" quality or a bad batch of the "premiumline"...your guess is as good as mine~ it does make you stop and think, no doubt about that...
i respect your thirst for knowledge in the TY arena and your opinions are very substantial...nice find by the way, i'm not a member at all those other dvd media websites, so i have no clue as to what they are talking about and discussing over there in their neck of the woods; i get MY info from the "horses's mouth" you could say, from my rep. @ Taiyo Yuden, North America :)
@daman1
if you are referring to the outside paper label (around the tape wrapped 100 pack spindle) that says "value dvd-r" with a line of all these small little dvds underneath it, then yes, those are the "value-line" Taiyo Yudens...and are labelled as such~ :) you really shouldn't have ANY problems with them though...and if you got the GG000xxx coding, those are the TYG02s :)
there is no REAL definitive reason why ANYONE should worry about the differences between the valueline and the premium ones...Taiyo Yuden sets the "bar" HIGH in terms of dvd quality, so lowering it just a "notch" and selling them as "valueline" should not be a major concern with quality. :)
it's not like the "valueline" are the same quality as CMC MAGs, TYs are STILL "TYs"...they have a reputation to uphold, i don't think they will EVER stoop to CMC MAG level's of quality...or lack thereof to be more precise. :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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daman1
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2. February 2006 @ 10:55 |
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Thanks doc,, so what determans if you get in the mail the value
ones or the premium ones,,just the luck of the draw from the guy
taking them off the shelf and in to your box then shipped??????
Thanks again,,just trying to under stand this.
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2. February 2006 @ 11:34 |
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well, if you want to "guarantee" to be shipped the "premium" TYs, basically just purchase the ones in the cakebox~ :) usually 50-pack spindles from supermediastore...
naturally, these cost a bit more than the 4x dvd-r "value" discs, but, you are pretty much assured of the "premium" ones if you buy the 50-pack spindle that come in the Taiyo Yuden contoured cakebox~ :)
hope that helps just a little~
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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daman1
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2. February 2006 @ 11:43 |
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OK...yea i got the 100 pack cakebox,,ok so if you want prem.
buy the 50-pack spindles.
so cakebox's are the wrapped in plastic foil one's(lol..i'm getting it now:))
Thanks no more Q's. :)
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dilligaf9
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2. February 2006 @ 12:27 |
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Hey Daman...Also check the sellers code, not always accurate but with Supermedia store the part # for the Value disk isDVD-r47VAL600sk. It has the VAL in it. I have purchased these and they are fine. The premiums may have a part # DVD-r47zzsb16 for 16x or DVD-r47zzsb8 for the 8x DVD. Thats my findings...
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31. December 2006 @ 12:53 |
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Wow, great thread, just learned a bunch, thanks guys.
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daman1
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1. January 2007 @ 06:25 |
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Thanks Dill..
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