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Three audio CD-R burns skip at exactly the same place when burnt with Nero, original files are perfect
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t_drayson
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3. February 2006 @ 13:58 |
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Hi, I burnt a CD on one of my new Taiyo Yudens (and yes there are official) at 4x. Unsurprisingly it skipped in my car CD player, which was frustrating, but not a major problem as it was half-expected. So I was playing it back here on my PC and it skipped in the same place. I have never noticed one of my burnt audio CDs skip on my PC before. So I check the original file on my PC - flawless. Bad burn I thought. So I try burning at the max (48x - which is what the CD-Rs are rated at), at this point I was beginning to believe that faster was better... But my second burn skipped in exactly the same place on my PC. This really got me! And just for good measure, a burn at 16x skipped at the same place as well. As I say, the original source file is perfect.
There are no marks or scratches on any of the CD-Rs, the data on the discs itself is erroneous. I really can't get my head round this. Does anyone have a clue how this can happen? Thanks
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Jeanc1
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3. February 2006 @ 14:21 |
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A good rule of thumb when you are burning media is to use half the speed the media is rated for !
Now for your "" strange "" skipping always at the same spot ! Am sure you do not have a screensaver or any other applications running in the background while you doing the burning !! When those popup or activate, usually may have glitches also created in the burning ! This would point to your burning software ; did you try a different application to burn with ?
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t_drayson
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3. February 2006 @ 14:36 |
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Hi, thanks for your reply. I forgot to include some vital info such as specs, burner and software...
P4 3.6
2x250GB HD
2GB RAM
Pioneer DVR-110
(XP SP2)
I am using Nero 7, screen saver is turned off, and I always close other apps while burning, although Norton Anti-Virus Auto Protect is on, maybe this could be a problem? I haven't used a different app to Nero to burn anything for years! Maybe it's time to change, although I haven't noticed any other problems with CDs burnt with Nero....
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Jeanc1
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3. February 2006 @ 15:33 |
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Just to check if your burning software is'nt the problem .. maybe you could download a FREE trial of some other software -- It may be worth the try !
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t_drayson
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4. February 2006 @ 03:04 |
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Hi everybody - some interesting developments. Burning with Winamp and Windows Media Player still causes the track to skip, as does burning with another drive! Any suggestions?
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6. February 2006 @ 09:25 |
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Just a crazy notion or Idea. First I would try another piece of music or audio, see if that skips after running the same amount of time as the current one. It could be that you may have defective CD's (only in that location).
How about the same piece to burn on a diff CD?
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t_drayson
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6. February 2006 @ 09:47 |
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Hi Rjessa, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, I still get the problem if I use a different brand of CD-R. As regards different audio tracks:
The first CD which I encountered this problem with skipped at the same place on the first track every time as you know (and on the second track for that matter - I do not want to listen to the whole CD but I would bet that there are more errors!)
A different audio CD backup (still using WAV files) skips on the first track, but in TWO places, and they are at both different track times than the first CD. And a third audio CD (MP3s this time) skips as well, but in yet another different place in the track.
So the errors are at different places in different audio tracks.
As I have said:
The source files are perfect (they burn fine on a friends PC - using the same media and software)
Using different software does not solve the problem
Or using different media
Or using a different drive (same PC)
OR using a different IDE cable (just thought I would check)
So maybe it's either a Windows problem, faulty RAM, or a motherboard problem....
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6. February 2006 @ 10:27 |
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Wow, that is really annoying. Wish I could come up with a miracle solution for you. Please let us know what happens. We learn something everyday.
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t_drayson
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7. February 2006 @ 13:15 |
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OK - even more annoying: I have just done a full format and reinstallation of Windows, and the problem is still there. I have also posted this problem on another forum, and on there, the discussion moved on to the the fact that my Primary IDE Channel was using the "Multi-Word DMA Mode 2" transfer mode, instead of UDMA. This appears to be the cause of the problem, and is still the same after a reinstallation of Windows. ARGH!!!! Any ideas? I have had no other problems at all which would indicate to a motherboard issue - I hope it isn't!
Thanks
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Oichi
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7. February 2006 @ 18:43 |
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Sorry to sound so abrupt, but you guys are chasing your tails here. Do some tests on the media and the drive, not the content.
Open the Nero CD-DVD speed tool and use BenchMark and Disk Quality to scan your media for burning errors and manufacturing errors.
If that's all clear, use a different burning program.
If the problem persists try a different playback device, different media or burner in that order.
The process of elimination will fix this issue without "magical" tweaks.
>> A good rule of thumb when you are burning media is to use half the speed the media is rated for !
With my burner this is not the case. Disks are rated at speeds and so are burners. Burning high speed dsics at lower speeds will often give you a worse quality burn.
Burn a few discs at different speeds (especially DVDs) and test with Nero CD-DVD tool to see the difference.
Windows x64, ffdshow and MPClassic.
Samsung DVD-540 standalone DivX certified player.
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7. February 2006 @ 19:29 |
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mm, I guess you have not read all the messages in this thread.
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Oichi
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7. February 2006 @ 19:42 |
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>> the the fact that my Primary IDE Channel was using the "Multi-Word DMA Mode 2" transfer mode, instead of UDMA 4/5. This appears to be the cause of the problem, and is still the same after a reinstallation of Windows. ARGH!!!! Any ideas? I have had no other problems at all which would indicate to a motherboard issue - I hope it isn't!
Remove the IDE channel using Device Manager and XP will automagically reinstall it. Or force a driver reinstall for the channel. It often happens that XP will overwrite manufacturer IDE drivers with it's own.
Use HDDTach to test speeds.
>> mm, I guess you have not read all the messages in this thread.
mmm... I guess you didn't read all my post...
No-one has tested the media quality .. or the burn quality..
Here's a screenie of a test I did using Nero CD-DVD info...
It tells me a lot more than listening for skips...
http://tinyurl.com/8sv8s
Windows x64, ffdshow and MPClassic.
Samsung DVD-540 standalone DivX certified player.
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t_drayson
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7. February 2006 @ 22:12 |
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Oichi, thanks for your reply, but FYI I HAVE tried:
different media
different software
different CD players
different source files
different burners
and I have already tried uninstalling and reinstalling my drives, and my IDE channel, AND done a full reinstallation of Windows. I have also tried uninstalling my IDE channel, replacing my old IDE cable with a brand new one, and then letting Windows re-detect it.
The problem remains. The data is being burnt WITH ERRORS onto the discs, the discs are not skipping due to laser read errors in my players, if I view the streams in Adobe Audition, there are gaps in the data. This is with every CD and with every (perfect) source file.
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Oichi
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8. February 2006 @ 00:10 |
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Sorry if I am behind the times folks, early morning posts are never good and I'm never that good anyway :-)
What happens if you burn it to a DVD ?
Windows x64, ffdshow and MPClassic.
Samsung DVD-540 standalone DivX certified player.
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t_drayson
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8. February 2006 @ 07:38 |
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@ Oichi
Lol, yeh a lot of the information is spread around several posts, no worries mate.
Anyway, I have a made a breakthrough, which may seem obvious to some of you...
Up until today I have been using a wireless USB keyboard, but for some reason, it stopped working in DOS before Windows boots quite a while ago, even though all USB options were enabled in the BIOS - I also looked for help regarding this on a few forums, and tried many things, but to no avail.
Anyway today my new PS/2 keyboard came so I could check the BIOS and IDE Master UDMA and IDE Slave UDMA were set to disabled! I have no idea why, I certainly didn't do it! So, I changed those to "Auto" (there was no "Enabled") and now my IDE channel is back to UDMA - BUT, it is UDMA 2, not 4 or 5 like with HDDs - I have only just got this far so I have yet to burn a CD.
Thanks everybody for your help
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Oichi
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8. February 2006 @ 07:47 |
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Windows x64, ffdshow and MPClassic.
Samsung DVD-540 standalone DivX certified player.
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t_drayson
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8. February 2006 @ 07:51 |
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I must say, I don't really know much about IDE - what is the usual mode for CD/DVD drives? I have an 80-conductor cable by the way. If UDMA 2 is normal for optical drives then I would guess the problem is completely fixed. I will test a CD now :)
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Oichi
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8. February 2006 @ 09:27 |
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IDE CD/DVD is UDMA2 maximum
Windows x64, ffdshow and MPClassic.
Samsung DVD-540 standalone DivX certified player.
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t_drayson
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8. February 2006 @ 09:48 |
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OK thanks Oichi, that means my problem is fixed.
However, I have now run into a completely separate problem which is wildy off topic:
Before I formatted and reinstalled Windows, I encrypted some documents, and then foolishly instructed Windows to display them as normal files (not green). There was no warning/information about encryption keys or certificates from Windows. I forgot that they were encrypted and performed my full reinstallation and now, obviously I cannot decrypt them. How do you get round this - the documents are important, and I didn't realise they were encrypted because they weren't green!
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Oichi
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8. February 2006 @ 10:12 |
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According to MSoft, "Only the user who encrypts a file can recover data that has been encrypted... "
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308993/EN-US/
Got any type of backup that has your old user account details or ID , it might help...
I'd try a Google search for brute force decrypters or maybe astalavista.com or a whitehat security web site might have something. Their mailing lists are good but they will maul you if you haven't searched the lists or the web. Good luck soldier !
As an idea, I use PGP and encrypt my data to myself. Once it is encrypted it is "safe" so you can store encrypted originals or backups in webmail accounts like 2gb gmail.com. It's free, easy enough (especially if your webmail client supports filters - subject line for my PGP files is chicken) and safe enough, web accessible and backed up.
I email the renamed PGP keys (with different file names) to seperate email accounts somewhere else super secret as a backup :-) You could go H-u_s_h_mail for encrypt & decrypting via the web but I have a funny feeling someone somewhere is watching everything into and out of that site.
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fullm0nty
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8. February 2006 @ 11:59 |
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Hi t_drayson,
Did the changing of the IDE settings help your problem?
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t_drayson
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8. February 2006 @ 12:08 |
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Hi fullm0nty, yes, changing the IDE settings in the BIOS fixed my problem.
I read somewhere that your DMA transfer mode may be downgraded from Ultra DMA to Multi-Word if persistent errors occur, as slowing down the transfer rate is supposed to fix the errors. I don't know whether this is true, or whether it was the case with me, but it appears that Ultra DMA was disabled in the BIOS for my Primary IDE Channel, and setting it to "auto" switched the transfer mode back to UDMA 2, which fixed the burning errors. Why, are you having the same problem?
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fullm0nty
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9. February 2006 @ 14:31 |
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I have a similar problem .. a few weeks ago (on my old PC) i could burn Audio CD's whitout any problems.
The cd's played everywhere (regular cd players), the sound was perfect (or exactly the same quality as the mp3).
Now that i've installed my new PC, it seems my home made audio cd's won't play on regular players anymore.
The player reognizes the disc but wont start playing (it's like it keeps searching for the song).
So when i listen to the cd on my pc or my home dvd-player, the songs all skip at one time.
No mather how many times i burn the same compilation on different media, the songs always skip.
Diffrend writing speeds or burning progs won't work, so maybe something is wrong with my IDE config.
Could the choise of IDE cable be of any importance? I used the one for CD rom that came with the motherboard.
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t_drayson
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9. February 2006 @ 21:59 |
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You may want to start a new topic for your question.
Anyway my problem IS NOT fixed - my CDs are now skipping again, I have no idea why. Transfer mode is UDMA 2 now so it's not the transfer mode as I first thought. I tested the original CD I was trying to burn when I started this topic, and that skips in exactly the same place as before... so it's exactly the same problem. I have tried using each of my RAM chips on their own and the problem is still there. I don't know what to do now!
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fullm0nty
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10. February 2006 @ 03:45 |
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I could start a new thread but, reading about your problem i'm pretty sure it's more or less the same as mine..
The only thing i could come up with is Nero7, i'm using the demo version, could that be the problem .. ?
Did you try another burning prog?
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