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25. January 2005 @ 16:16 |
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Helllo Again, i guess everyone can be right on this in one sence or another,but I look at this way,
Sony makes the movie then cry because someone is going to make an illegal copy !!
Then Sony comes out late last year with the first dual layer dual format DVD+ - to burn DVDS, then they make the blanks and at Xmas had a special 50 blanks $20.00
American.
And they do this because they know other companys are going to sell this stuff and they want the sales to because it is a big market and greed is a bitch,
Sorry but Iam on the side of copy your butt off, it was the same with Beta,VHS,CDs, and any other thing out there thats going to make a buck.
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savasci
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25. January 2005 @ 20:27 |
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End of story. It is NOT legal. Technically, making copies of you own purchased media is legal. However, the DMCA has declared that circumventing digital copy-defeating measures is ILLEGAL. Go figure. My advice: copy your own shit and get a different job for your income.
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26. January 2005 @ 05:07 |
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tater9104
Hey you both can be right really. It all depends were you live "COUNTRY". USA laws dont pretain to all countries. Well MOST laws dont except for being a drug lord might get you busted but even then look at thoose still out there supplying the world (sorry to get off subject) anyways if you live in country (not all countries say its not legeal... yet) where it is LEGAL to own these programs why cant you back up ones movie for them for the amount of supplies and buck or two for the time and ware on your machines to produce there back ups. However i woulnd not suggest it if you live in the USA or countries with laws that protect the rich and live off the less fortunate,and keep it to personal backing up moview and creating your own home movies :-)~
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nawlinz
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26. January 2005 @ 06:49 |
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There is no way I would advertise my services.. I do however make and sell backups of my movies to CLOSE FRIENDS ONLY.
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26. January 2005 @ 07:59 |
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Hey everyone, I just kinda stumbled upon this thread and wanted to drop my 2 cents in....
Here is how i see it,
These copyright laws are ridiculous, I mean they are so vague and repetitive they are just nonsense.
Companies who are backing up copyright laws are also the same ones that promote and produce the items for which you can burn movies.
Sony for instance makes a dvd burner....wow what a surprise! And yet, they don't want people burning movies. Now seriously, who in the world goes out to the store to pick up the burner to just do home movies, I honestly don't think that people have THAT much time on their hands.
To me it is like a double edged sword, they give you all the tools to do anything, but yet they don't want you to.
Now that is just stupid.
If you give people the tools, they will use them. Now, I know that some go far beyond that and sell burnt copies on the internet or what have you, even I thought of doing that at some time, but quickly dissolved that idea because it just takes one person to say something and you are done.
So, to me, I can heartily understand what is going on as far as everything else, well, i have my opinion and everyone else has there's.
So this helps in some way. If not, then it was great to see and read everyones thoughts.
Check this out....http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119041,00.asp
See ya in the forums.
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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28. January 2005 @ 21:23 |
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Well glad to be part of a site with so much logic and sence, Its good to get everyones thoughts on this and many other things, personal copies YES for money NO
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29. January 2005 @ 08:12 |
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Its just like drugs. The US spends all that money on ANTI Drug adds and when they could be taking extra safety measures on keeping the stuff from being smuggled into the US and taking Prescription drugs off the market that are used to make meth. I mean if they would focus more on where it is coming from instead of whos doing it then it wouldnt be a problem. Basically they have laws against drugs but yet they allow them and have crooked people that allow them to be smuggled into this country.
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DarKnyt
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31. January 2005 @ 12:08 |
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late addition:
From brobear Quote:
One can argue until they are blue in the face. I think the courts are wrong and the laws need to be clarified. The individual should have the right to make a backup copy of a legally purchased item to protect their investment. As long as the copy is retained for personal use the original purchaser retains the right and if ownership of the original is lost or forfeited, so goes the right to a copy. A person should have the right as long as the use of the copy in no way affects the sale of the copyrighted material. That is what most of us see as fair. But until the courts agree with us and the laws are on the books, the process of recording DVDs is illegal.
Now I would have to say I disagree with the italics as that defeats the entire purpose of archiving movies for fair use. If I buy a DVD or music cd, I'm not buying the plastic the music or movie came on - I'm buying a limited use personal license to enjoy the electronic medium contained thereon. If I scratch or crack my cd/DVD does that suddenly void my license? I would be of the opinion that it does not. Of course, if I sell or give it away that is obv different.
I may not be entirely within the letter of the law as it depends on the specific limited use license but that sure as hell is the spirit. :)
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31. January 2005 @ 14:27 |
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Whoa I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Its not whether is legal or illegal. Its who has the most money. Look at the peer to peer network lawsuits the RIAA is pushing on the people of the world. They just sue everyone and let the courts figure it out. Alot of people just settle. If you have $5000 for a legal retainer and $200 per hour for your lawyer to work on your behalf to travel and fight your case then go ahead and start your business. Im sure if your the first you will get the lion share of the lawsuits as RIAA would want to make an example of you. It really doesnt matter if you're in the right or wrong. I have won court cases just because I know how to work the court system, and should have never won. So unless you want alot of trouble and are prepared for the avalanche of lawsuits I wouldnt go on with what your suggesting. Although an arguement could be said for people who transfer photographs to DVD and other media transfer people, how does a photographer prove hes the copywrite owner of the pictures? Its all a huge gray area. The way I read the copywrite and fair use act, it states that if you purchase a license you have the right to view that license (the movie) at a single time (cannot have 2 copies at the same time) it says nothing about what kind of media the movie must be on or even that it must stay on its original medium (like VHS). As long as you destroyed the original VHS copy you should be ok. I would keep the destroyed copy as evidence of destruction and conformity to the law. But like I said I could sue you right now for anything I want and hit you with a blizard of paperwork forcing you to settle with me or waste alot of money on a lawyer as is RIAA method of getting what they want. Also everyone you sell your services too could sue you for damages if they themselves get sued by the RIAA as you did the actual illegal act if its proved to be illegal man you could be in for alot of trouble.
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31. January 2005 @ 14:30 |
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Whoa I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Its not whether is legal or illegal. Its who has the most money. Look at the peer to peer network lawsuits the RIAA is pushing on the people of the world. They just sue everyone and let the courts figure it out. Alot of people just settle. If you have $5000 for a legal retainer and $200 per hour for your lawyer to work on your behalf to travel and fight your case then go ahead and start your business. Im sure if your the first you will get the lion share of the lawsuits as RIAA would want to make an example of you. It really doesnt matter if you're in the right or wrong. I have won court cases just because I know how to work the court system, and should have never won. So unless you want alot of trouble and are prepared for the avalanche of lawsuits I wouldnt go on with what your suggesting. Although an arguement could be said for people who transfer photographs to DVD and other media transfer people, how does a photographer prove hes the copywrite owner of the pictures? Its all a huge gray area. The way I read the copywrite and fair use act, it states that if you purchase a license you have the right to view that license (the movie) at a single time (cannot have 2 copies at the same time) it says nothing about what kind of media the movie must be on or even that it must stay on its original medium (like VHS). As long as you destroyed the original VHS copy you should be ok. I would keep the destroyed copy as evidence of destruction and conformity to the law. But like I said I could sue you right now for anything I want and hit you with a blizard of paperwork forcing you to settle with me or waste alot of money on a lawyer as is RIAA method of getting what they want. Also everyone you sell your services too could sue you for damages if they themselves get sued by the RIAA as you did the actual illegal act if its proved to be illegal man you could be in for alot of trouble.
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megabyte2
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31. January 2005 @ 14:31 |
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Whoa I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Its not whether is legal or illegal. Its who has the most money. Look at the peer to peer network lawsuits the RIAA is pushing on the people of the world. They just sue everyone and let the courts figure it out. Alot of people just settle. If you have $5000 for a legal retainer and $200 per hour for your lawyer to work on your behalf to travel and fight your case then go ahead and start your business. Im sure if your the first you will get the lion share of the lawsuits as RIAA would want to make an example of you. It really doesnt matter if you're in the right or wrong. I have won court cases just because I know how to work the court system, and should have never won. So unless you want alot of trouble and are prepared for the avalanche of lawsuits I wouldnt go on with what your suggesting. Although an arguement could be said for people who transfer photographs to DVD and other media transfer people, how does a photographer prove hes the copywrite owner of the pictures? Its all a huge gray area. The way I read the copywrite and fair use act, it states that if you purchase a license you have the right to view that license (the movie) at a single time (cannot have 2 copies at the same time) it says nothing about what kind of media the movie must be on or even that it must stay on its original medium (like VHS). As long as you destroyed the original VHS copy you should be ok. I would keep the destroyed copy as evidence of destruction and conformity to the law. But like I said I could sue you right now for anything I want and hit you with a blizard of paperwork forcing you to settle with me or waste alot of money on a lawyer as is RIAA method of getting what they want. Also everyone you sell your services too could sue you for damages if they themselves get sued by the RIAA as you did the actual illegal act if its proved to be illegal man you could be in for alot of trouble.
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1. February 2005 @ 01:35 |
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To be honest.....
I think that the MPAA and the RIAA and everyone other agency out there who are just suing people for the hell of it, need to find better use of their time....like say, um, help feed starving children in 3rd world countries, oh, how about help homeless folks off the streets, and what if, hey i don't know...this maybe a long shot....but put some of that money they are wasting in suing people and help under-funded schools......
But you know...maybe that is just too easy of an answer.
All this garbage that they are pushing for in trying to sue people is a waste of tax payers and people's time, why not go towards a more worth wild cause.
Now I don't condone anyone who burns movies or d/l's movies and so forth, just don't be stupid about it. Like if you have 10,000 songs on your computer....don't be a moron and say that you listen to them all......good grief.
Seriously though, if you want to do your business, I say go ahead, but just make sure you cover your own butt because you don't want to get in trouble. We all feel you on the fact of making some money, I am sure that some of us, if not all of us are doing that now, but just keep it cool and do what you need to do.....but definately cover yourself because like everyone is saying, you don't want to get in trouble.
See yall in the forums!
Oh yeah...one more thing....if I buy a movie, I should be able to kick that piece of crap, scratch, or do whatever the hell I want to, because the fact is.....I BOUGHT IT! So if you want to make backups you should be able to with no problem whatsoever.
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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megabyte2
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1. February 2005 @ 14:05 |
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Well you can do whatever you want with it (the movie) except you cannot show the movie in public as a public performance. Im not even sure if its legal to show the movie in your house to say your friends. As that could be deamed a public performance. As for sue happy your right 100% I owned my own computer business but always was scared that if any of my machines had a bad power supply or other electrical problem and burned down someones house I might get sued. Its very hard these days to sell or make any kind of product and not run the risk of being sued by anyone. Most lawsuits I would agree are total BS. But its not what the judge awards its what the settlement awards often times its alot easier and cheaper to settle even if you didnt do anything wrong then to just go to court. I saw today where Nestle foods was sued by the model on the jar of coffee for tasters choice. Seems Nestle used his picture for years without paying the man his money. So he won 15 million dollars now is that too much I think so but when it goes to a judge or jury expect wild verdicts.
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spacedust
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2. February 2005 @ 14:34 |
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Just My 2 cents worth. Bottom line when laws in the USA are all written in a way where it takes lawyers and judges to decifer them, the average Joe has no chance. I think it just pisses people off when you buy something but you really don't own it. You just own a piece of it viewing it, if you record it you broke the law. Im amazed at the people I know that don't know jack about computers running DVDXCopy and then trying to run other free rippers and encoders and don't have a clue. Computers still have a long was to go, 2 years ago you would not be doing all this video encoding on PC unlease you like staring at pc all day encoding movie file. Or maybe you spent 5 grand on pc(mac). Just like Napster and encoding mp3's it use to be underground, all the kiddys screwed it up. Ripping movies and encoding them use to be underground, remember putting movie on 1 or 2 vcd's or maybe svcd's man what a pain. Im amazed DVD Decryter and DVD Shrink are free atleast now that so many people know abought them, I think I'll go donate $100 bucks to each one of them right now :) Did not take them long to take down DVDXCopy most people running that program don't even know if they ever have to reinstall it there screwed, They have never heard of a key code generator. Did people really check that box YES it's a rental WOW.
Any how happy burning,copying,ripping,converting,encoding and Hacking!!
Peace
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2. February 2005 @ 17:24 |
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I have found good people here who helped me with activation files for 321 products when I lost my store bought copy to a virus. If someone wanted my help with some file they already paid for but could not get we should all help. 321 studios says they are out of business I think this programmer took the money and moved to another country. To avoid legal loss. I got this impression when 321 never gave good technical support or even fixed the problems. No manual or 800 number for tech support. Its sad this moron has given the RIAA its first case law to use in its defense against all the kids who are being sued by the RIAA right now for peer to peer file sharing. Im a novice at ripping but even I have helped some people. If we all help the newbies we all help ourselves in this war against the RIAA.
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2. February 2005 @ 19:32 |
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DAMMIT MEGABYTE,
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Fight the power!!!!!
Good call and to everyone out there.....burn as much as you can get your hands on!
See yall later......
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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2. February 2005 @ 20:31 |
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I say that as long as you don't threaten profits they don't care. Their are a lot of bastards out there that are oblivious to the fact that the movie industry has to make a profit. If they don't make a profit they will no longer be able to make the movies.
That's why they go after file sharing, as their is the potential for everyone on Earth downloading their movie for nothing. This is a real threat to them.
I don't see someone going to Blockbuster and renting movies to then copy as a threat, as they are pumping money into the system by renting the video.
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