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xbox 360 has substandard graphics
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ZpYkE
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29. November 2005 @ 07:47 |
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Thanx neph
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tanner7
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29. November 2005 @ 08:02 |
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thenoobs
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29. November 2005 @ 09:03 |
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I find it funny how so many people try to bring money into everything. Many big companies take a huge loss on at least part of their final product, but they expect it, and almost plan it. You have to think of it in tax terms. Ok, they took a $4 billion loss on xbox, big deal. That just means they got a $4 billion dollar tax break on the M$ name, plus they got their name into the game console market. A $4 billion dollar tax write off is a huge "bonus" to them. I know of quite a few companies that run a "front business" at a loss, just so the main company can have some tax breaks. Maybe these companies appear to be losing money, but they are not losing it on paper, due to these breaks.
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29. November 2005 @ 09:40 |
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I find it funny how so many people try to bring money into everything.
Yes, how funny is it that when talking about the success of a company, you acknowledge money. So funny, because it makes no sense...
er... wait, yes it does. Good point! Not.
The amount of net income the company brings in doesn't change the fact the they never made one cent off the Xbox. In fact, they lost 4 billion dollars. Sure, "they got into the market", but I can think of a couple different companies that did a lot better with their first consoles...
Those companies would be Sony and Nintendo, of course.
Microsoft doesn't enjoy having a minus $4 billion branch, thenoobs, no matter how much you think know about finance. Your "tax break" insight was a little... um, "less than concrete", to say the least.
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kookoo76
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29. November 2005 @ 10:29 |
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FatalaD..what with all the caps?
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FUCK SONY I WONT SUPPORT THEM IF THERE SYSTEM IS 10 TIMES BETTER THEN 360.1 SONY IS THE MOST OVER PRICED ELECTRONIC COMPANY IN THE WORLD 2 SONYS PS2 BREAK CONSTANTLY 3 THEY PUT THAT SPYWare SHIT IN THERE AUDIO CDS 4 THERE MEMORY CARDS ARE WAY OVER PRICED 5 THE PS3 IS GOING TO COST NO LESS THEN $499 BECAUSE THAT BLUERAY SHIT IS GOING TO COST ALOT TO MANUFACTURE 6 DO YOU REALLY THINK THERE GOING TO MAKE A 25 GIG GAME THAT WHOULD TAKE 3 YEARS ATLEAST 7 SONY IS LIKE HITLER THERE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH THERE OVER PRICE CRAPPY MADE TRASH
K first of all for your info, sony is goign to release ps3 for the same amomunt xbox360 is. Lol 25 gb game, you know the difference between a n64 game and a g,c game? Well lets see, a n64 game is arround 20-30 mb and gcs cd's are arround 1-2 gb. This generation of concols, will need much more space then 1-3 gb, thats why so many game developers are critzising the 360, cds not to have enought space.
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SONY IS LIKE HITLER THERE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH THERE OVER PRICE CRAPPY MADE TRASH
LOL, sony is like hitler...first sony isnt a person. And second they arnt trying to take over the word. How can Sony take over the world? what in earth are you talking about lol, you meen that each contry to have Sony as presedent or somthing? lol, M$ is even richer than sony and your making this remark. LOL.
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BECAUSE THAT BLUERAY SHIT IS GOING TO COST ALOT TO MANUFACTUR
Actually, sony's cell pro. is goign to cost arround 1/4 of the whole system, That blueray "shit" is new tech, and it cost alote now, but in 1-2 years cfrom now its not.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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thenoobs
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29. November 2005 @ 10:59 |
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So oof, you think so? hmm. I never said they enjoyed it, I said they could live with it. A $4 billion dollar tax break means they can right off more money than most companies make in a year, which means they pay less taxes, which, you guessed it, means more money in their pocket. Sure, they could have made more on the consoles, but then they would have paid more in taxes as well. I doubt they came close to breaking even, but they made their money. They wouldn't throw it away unless something good was coming from it. And WOW, look at this, they got this whole forum talking about their newest product, which is, Um, SOLD OUT, so they must have done something right. Mr. Gates didn't get where he is by being ignorant.
*Also, as for the "bring money into everything" post, I was referring to them bringing it into a "graphics" thread.
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bballrock
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29. November 2005 @ 12:08 |
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i wasnt being racist I was stating that in the event of evolution Asian people have a different eyelid. In no way was I stating they had inferior eyes. :) Plus Xbox owns
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rebelfox
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29. November 2005 @ 13:27 |
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graphics=gpu & g card
speed=cpu(cores)
Had to clear that up.
Sure theyre only using one core.
doest matter
Theyre not using the full potential of the GRAPHICS CARD.
Plus its reliant on a huge investment in manpower to draw intricate textures and bitmapping, which frankly costs alot.
Cores will be used for huge server calculations, extensive physics and who-knows-what calculations.
These consoles are the final frontiers.
They are powerful enough graphically and in the processing power to do things that not even the developers quite imagine yet.
And the cards are quoted the be more powerful than two 6800 ultras(the most powerful card available) in sli - a single card!
In final its understood among the knowledgable comp users that the equipment in both is more powerful than anything on the market after years of testing and development.
The xbox 1 was only of midrange comp capability - at the time it was released - see what theyre doing with it now(doom 3).
Thats the power of an isolated game console.
W/ these, this is the first time that consoles actually surpass comps.
Go get um', Sony and Microsoft.
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dg0896
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29. November 2005 @ 15:18 |
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OK you are stupid for buying the xbox 360 when the price is going to drop after the first set of them are sold. I am not going to get one, instead I am going to do what I did last console launch. I am going to get a ps3 and nintendo revolution I am not going to get an xbox 360. In my opinion you should leave the console making to the pro's. Also if you are stupid enough to buy the xbox 360 you are stupid enough to be racist. You stupid Democrat.
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dg0896
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29. November 2005 @ 15:21 |
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Nintendo is going to win the console launch with the cool controller they are going to have.
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chaos5258
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29. November 2005 @ 15:41 |
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I have a 360 so you know what I'm gonna do the 360 is sold out all over the place and I already beat Perfect Dark Zero so can you say Ebay... starting bid $600.
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kookoo76
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29. November 2005 @ 15:49 |
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dg0896.. I would most likely to buy a ps3, more than a 360, but the way you wrote your post, makes me want to backup the 360 just a bit. The 360 is'nt the worst system dude. Its new tech, and its pretty impressive. dg0896, you know you can get banned for insulting somone? Watchout..lol. And well duh 360 is sold out, there was a sortage. To little systems. dg0896, i do have to stand up for your racist comment. It looks like all the m$ fans are againsst the japaneeze and chinees people, its very descriminating to them, and I'm not even asian. You people should think before you act. You can really hurt somone, by saying "Japaneeze are shitheads".
And lol, Nintendo is not going to win. They came out last last year, and the year b4. It's more likely that they come last now.
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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29. November 2005 @ 15:55 |
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Can XBconnect be used on the xbox 360 ?
EDIT: Is It legal to use XBconnect? lol scince you are sorta ripping off M$
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29. November 2005 @ 17:16 |
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To all
The next post that deals with anything other than the thread topic will most likely get you banned. Plain and simple.
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Jkhmmr
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30. November 2005 @ 04:21 |
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All right then. I looked at some screenshots and the graphics aren't much to talk about. People just think that because it's HDTV but if you hooked up your XBox 360 to a normal TV how well does it compare. It doesn't seem to fulfill all Microsoft promised about it unless it's barely what the system is capable of.
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darkkillr
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30. November 2005 @ 07:07 |
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when the game designers can start to realize what they can do with this system maby then
they can try to use the potential this system actually has to offer. It not the system itself that
sucks its the graphics on the games and useing HD helps. Dont hate the system hate the
games.
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30. November 2005 @ 07:48 |
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How is xbconnect ripping off microsoft. The system enable system to system play. That is how we played Halo 1. In fact, Halo PC advocated using gamespy to play. So no, I see no rip-off. No different connecting xboxes through xbconnect than hooking the two up with an ethernet cord.
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TruthMan
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30. November 2005 @ 08:52 |
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jees most of you guys, really really need to read what i put about tech info of both consoles, they are split across different posts, mainly, 'PS3 Graphic' topic in the PS3 forum, read all what i put, there is some other stuff in other topics though (but i cant really remember which ones). but overall the 360 is the more powerful of the two. ITS NOT about numbers this battle ( when u look at the specs), its mainly (specs wise) NOT numbers at all, but about new technologies, and features, e.g. unified shader architecture on the ATI GPU (graphics processing unit, - the graphics card basically).
wtf? some people (retards) think that GPU's and grafix cards are different things, LOL!
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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rebelfox
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30. November 2005 @ 11:40 |
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gpu is the processing part of the 'grafix' card -anyway, whopping 48 unified piplines. Manufacturers are only starting to offer 24 pipes that are seperate into pixel and vertex. ps3 has seperate pipes 26 & 9, but not really sure how the pipes compare in terms of power. Plus xboxs ati has 10mb edram thats ultra fast. first time ever for this. I think xbox wins in the 'grafix'(and yes it is the games that are nooby,the grafix will get better end of story). ps3 does have a nice 8 simulated "cell" tho. both have 512, xbox shared, ps3 2 256s, one xdram - brand new ultra fast junk. ps3 is altogether more powerful and triked out(6 usb, bray) but they are both way too powerful anyway, more than we comprehend. by the way, to the earlier foo, bray costs 75 exact. sonys thinkin to release two versions one 500-600, other 250-300. xbox will lower to half of expensive ps3, so they say.
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TruthMan
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30. November 2005 @ 13:50 |
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sigh, rebel, the PS3 is not as powerful, i think almost no body knows about the cell/floating point/ 30% business do they,
read all about it in the PS3 graphics forum, just ignore what KooKoo says, he tries hard (poor guy) but hes just totally wrong. listen to what i say as it all technical truth, and it is all real.!
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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kookoo76
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30. November 2005 @ 13:52 |
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Well that was mean, did you read my las one truthman?
ps3:GPU-24 pipelines producing 5.7 ops each
-700mhz ram.
-On par with geforce 7800
-rsx at 550mhz
-rsx is 1.8 tflops
ps3:CPU-Cell processor
-total of 8 spe's running at 3.2 ghz.
Cell is 218GFLOPS.
Computer Hp pavilion a700n
448 mb of ram(upgrading it to 1gb)
amd3000+
(going to have geforce 7800 soon)
Currently(a shitty intergrated via/s3)
Information about ps3's rsx is on:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265429
Information about The xbox360 and ps3's gpu
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2423
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rebelfox
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1. December 2005 @ 13:09 |
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yes yes i undastan that 30% bussinaz, the processors are better at their own fields. You say that cause of this bottleneck ps3s proc will not meet x on the game field,however procs do not really define game speed and grafix; they tend to be overly powafoo for that job. grafix cards are critical. As an all roun sys tho, it IS fair to say that the ps3 is simply more "triked out" and because of this, is a betta sys on the whole; however it is the games that will define them, as well as subsequent media capabilities and "live".
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cazer
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1. December 2005 @ 19:08 |
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first off you need to spend money to make it.
second no one will win this coconsole war. if one goes out some one will take its place.
i had two coconsoles like most homes. ps2 and xbox. the xbox was replaced by a gamecube. for me xbox has to many first person games that i cant play for the simple fact that they make me sick.
its not just about what the system s can do. if the xbox is so much better then the ps2 then why has it not out sold the ps2. couse the ps2 came out first is not a reason. most homes have two systems. if it is truely beter it should have out sold it.
sony also has two other systems games that can be played on the ps3 and you can link the psp. witch lets you transfer data. xbox 360 only has xbox and xbox 360 games to play on it and thas if you have the harddrive for it. and yes many people still play the older games hins homebrew for the psp.
sony also was the handel on the contoler. its anmost is the standerd in the gaming world. look at the ones for the pc's. hell look at xbox and the gamecube. they just have there own twist on it. and yes sonys is based of the nes.
you cant compare 360 to ps3 when the ps3 is not out and it does not matter what one country thinks of a companys system couse they are not the only one out ther4e.
and why has no one commited on the 360 crashing? not saing that the ps3 wont have its problems.
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SSamurai
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1. December 2005 @ 21:28 |
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Cazer,
Yes, being first out of the gate DOES make a difference when selling a new console.
No, most homes do not have multiple consoles.
Hey, did you know that you can synch your PSP to you 360? It's true.
There are 3-5 threads dealing with crashing 360s
And don'y pretend that Sony Pioneered the handheld/console compatability idea. Sega did that with the Dreamcast.
Memory cards that store my game info that I can play mini-games on to: Increase my stats...... that's about it, but it was the first to allow it.
And for all of you who state that EITHER system is more powerfull.
Pick up the December Issue of Game Informer and read the interviews with some of todays top game developers. They say that the power of the two systems (Revolution not included) isn't an issue, because for all intents and purposes, run nearly identical.
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cazer
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1. December 2005 @ 21:54 |
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ps2 came out what two, two and a half years before xbox?
sonys ship what 100 mil so ms should have what 50. no sorry try 22!
if being the first out of the gate DOES make a difference then why did dreamcast fail.
i was talking about couimet1 who made the first post on this thread, no one were has said anything about it HERE.
Most people that post here seem to have atleast two systems and were i live most do to. and i by far do not make a hole lot of money and support four people.
it does not matter what sega did first it what they are doing today. making games for other companys. oh by the way ford did not make the first car! it doesnt matter. what matters is what is out there now!
and at last i dont believe i said either one was more powerful then the other. that really doesnt matter to me it the type of game. and for me sony offers what i like and has a contreler that i like. thats why i have the cable that lets me use my ps2 controler on the xbox and gc.
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