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crowy
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22. May 2006 @ 15:39 |
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@sammorris,
Thats true once again.
Not sure if gaming is going to be the main priority for that setup.
How would a cheaper card with 3800x2 compare with expensive card cheaper single core processor compare?
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jpchipps
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22. May 2006 @ 15:40 |
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Do you really think getting the Athlon X2 [3800] and something like ATI's 1800 will be better that getting the X1 [3700] paired with ATI's 1900?
What about when DirectX 10 comes out? I cant get a DX10 card, thats too long to wait, but, will ATI's 1800 have updated software drivers compatible for DX 10??
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22. May 2006 @ 15:44 |
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Yes! Gaming is one of the main reasons I'm getting the new rig.
Especially for Halo and World Of Warcraft mostly.
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22. May 2006 @ 16:24 |
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@jpchipps,
I would be very surprised if updated drivers were not available when directx 10 gets here.There is only a 25mhz/50mhz difference between the 2 cards so the difference wouldnt be that great in the real world.I'm sure a little overclocking with the 1800 would see it very close to the 1900.At the end of the day its your choice but if it was me I would go with dual core.
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22. May 2006 @ 16:57 |
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ive noticed alot of people building for gameing. i understand needing all the good top end stuff for the graphic/sound and other good stuff to make the game better for ya. but what if your build like mine would be is mostly for burning dvds and every now and then VCD's or for pic editingi know more mem/HD is a must for that. but is a bigger cpu and mobo necessary? just curious. im sure all of us would agree on top end everything if we all could afford it. dont get me wrong i want a mean machine but a wife 3 kids 2 cats mooching relatives ETC.... get the pic..lol. tend to keep the average guy like me on a close money leash...lol
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crowy
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22. May 2006 @ 17:21 |
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@cincyrob,
Depends on how important the time factor is.Obviously good discs and a 16x burner at full speed is going to help.
My old xp1700+ with 384mb ram and 4x burner would take around 40 mins to copy a 4.5mb dvd.My new one(see specs below)takes around 5 mins for the same operation.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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22. May 2006 @ 17:23 |
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Well I thought I was happy doing the whole DVD shrink/ Nero recode whatever the method on my P4 3.0 if it was main movie, or 100 percent (no Shrinking) the whole process would go about 20 minutes, then another 8 to burn at 8x. My friend just got a HP pavilion that came with an AMD 3800X2 and brought it down to 12 minutes. Cant wait to see what my Opteron 175 (in the mail, should have tomorrow and full rig built by weekend) will do! As far as the others, photo editing and such, you are right lots of good memory is better for doubling DPI and size, when you have layers upon layers of pictures imbedded together for that photoshop joke of your friend with the naked old lady it will open those files and manipiulate them quicker.
But if you dont have something good controlling the memory (mobo, processor) it will still lag. Ya gotta find the sweet spot.
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22. May 2006 @ 17:32 |
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cincyrob,
That's the reason I am doing it on the cheap! The D940 Pressler and a decent MB that lets me use my quality DDR400 and my AGP card, cost me only $375. I could get the D805 and do it for about $200 but I would rather have the D940 since it's in 64x2 4400+ territory to start with without overclocking. Since I already have a case and PS it leaves me with almost all of my present computer intact and gets me a decent dual-core to boot! Down the road I'll buy a better MB, some DDR2 and a 7900GT Extreme PCIe video card and really be rockin! I'll do a demo or a customer build with the cheaper MB so I won't be wasting anything!
Deadrum33,
I also have a P4 3.0 with 2 GB (4x512) of ram but it's oc'd to 3.60. My average total time with DVD shrink (encoding and burning) is 15 to 17 minutes. The choice of MB does make a very real difference (Asus P4P800-SE skt 478)! Before that I had a Dell 3000 with this chip and my times were about the same as yours. After I built this one, I popped a 2.8/533 in the Dell and sold it for more than I paid for it!
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theonejrs
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22. May 2006 @ 18:07 |
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No OC on this locked board, does cool bits count? :P
Way back in the day, I knew I wanted to build my own sytem and after about 4 years and all the upgrades wont get me to the next level. I didnt know some boards will let you unlock everything, some nothing. Now I do, and cant wait till the new toys come in to learn more.
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22. May 2006 @ 19:48 |
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Deadrum33,
Quote:
does cool bits count?
Only if she's the cute girl I know who's nicname is "Bits"
She sure is fun to be around! I know, I'm a dirty old man! He He
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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23. May 2006 @ 00:32 |
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Okay I'm going to play devils advocate here. How do high end Asus and DFI LanParty mobos compare? I'm aware that most of the peeps in this thread are Asus users, and that's fine. I simply want to here some facts, not opinions, about how they compare. Any links would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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23. May 2006 @ 00:48 |
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@Tokijin,
Heres one,
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1009&page=13
and another
http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=12699
And a small snippet,
Overclocking:
This is one area that DFI excells in. The amount, and range of the BIOS options is second to none.
I used the board to overclock an AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+. Previously this CPU had been running in an Asus A8N SLI Deluxe and the maximum clock speed attainable was 2520MHz. Using the DFI LANPARTY UT SLI-D we were able to get up to 2750MHz with no trouble at all, mainly due to the increased voltage available for the CPU.
and another:
http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-DFI_MB_DFI_NF4_LANPARTY_UT_nF4_SLI_DR...
Bottom Line: I've had both the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and the DFI Lan Party SLI-D running my AMD X2 4400 and as much as it pains me to say it - The DFI is BY FAR the better of the two. The ASUS board is no slouch but the DFI offers an incredible array of RAM timing and CPU timings. Not to mention that my machine is benchmarking way better now than it ever did with the ASUS board. For the enthusiast who wants options I'd definetely recommend the DFI Mobo over the ASUS. If you want to get up and running without too many configurations then I'd get the ASUS. You won't go wrong with either.
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23. May 2006 @ 01:01 |
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Thanks Crowy, looking over them now.
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crowy
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23. May 2006 @ 01:11 |
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23. May 2006 @ 02:15 |
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There will be no problem with ATi's DX9 cards running DX10. GUARANTEED. If it requires a Catalyst update so be it, but trust me, you'll have no problems there. If gaming's your forte then you want as meaty a GPU as you can afford. X1900GT isn't too bad in cost now. The X1800 is vastly different from the X1900 so overclocking it won't see you meet the performance. There are more pixel shaders and a completely new ring bus architecture on the 1900 tmk. When you're Vid and Pic editing, lots of memory, big CPU, large HDD but average GPU. It all depends how fast you want to edit your multimedia.
Tokijin: Generally Asus boards are that bit better, but Crowy may still have you otherwise with the top end boards! Lol
I'm still sceptical about that benchmark. Prelims showed nowhere near as much of an increase. Why have things suddenly jumped up?
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crowy
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23. May 2006 @ 02:36 |
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23. May 2006 @ 03:20 |
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Yeah they're very different cards, hence why the 1900 is about 30%ish faster than the 1800 despite a minimal clock speed increase.
That's an astonishingly comprehensive benchmark btw, I'll have to use that site in future.
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23. May 2006 @ 04:16 |
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Yeah I'm very impressed with DFI Lanparty and Asus boards. From what I can understand from those links DFI is for OC tweakers who want to control every apsect of their mobo. Asus can do that is well, but is probably better for general use for someone with moderate OC knowledge and they're packed with features. Still could go either way. The knowledge is much appreciated.
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23. May 2006 @ 05:23 |
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If I were to call it, if you want the absolute top overclock possible, DFI. If you don't know much about overclocking but want to get a good result, go Asus.
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23. May 2006 @ 06:06 |
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thanks for the info everyone.sounds like all i need to do is just get me some more mem and a 250 or 300 gb hd for my current stystem (see bleow) heck iam happy right now with the time it takes me to burn a movie now am getting it done on a average 15 mins. some take about 20 and the fastest was 13min 21sec. and that was burnt at 8x. but then my problem is this being the only puter in the house right now i like to do things with the puter while the movies are burning to impatiant to wait the 15 min...lol
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23. May 2006 @ 06:21 |
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crowy,
No offense but until we can actually purchase a Conroe, the benches are meaningless. We'll all find out what's what when we can actually buy one. That goes for the FX-62 as well. by the way, who are those guys that did the tests. They can't even spell! Oh well, I guess I'll haul my "Botty" out of here!
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theonejrs
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23. May 2006 @ 09:54 |
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theonejrs, good point we will have to wait till BOTH CPUs are out to get real world results ,iam pretty sure that article is a little bias towards the Intel camp LOL !!!
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23. May 2006 @ 12:17 |
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aabbccdd,
Ya think??? And the article was written by Willy Deeplung!! All it needed was "Intel Inside" banners!! I've heard of letting your biases hang out but this was like a full "Mooning"! I'm surprised they didn't refer to AMD as amd!
I may have to put off my build for a few weeks. Much to my surprise, I am going back to work. They called me and asked me to come back. when I asked for assurances that the problems I was having that were hurting my health would no longer exist, the Owner told me that he doesn't care who it is, they pull any more crap on me and they are fired. He said that this goes for everyone, family included. and he gave me a nice raise to boot! Imagine that!
The D940 is back-ordered until Thursday so it is being overnighted free and will be here by Friday. Lots of assembly work to do so It's going to take a little bit of time. Having another 10 bay window case and 480 watt PS allows me to not have to tear my P4 down completely as I only need the HD,Both DVDs, the Zalman and 1 GB of the memory. I'll be putting the stock Intel cooler back in it and lowering the OC to 5%. The P4 should make a pretty good entertainment center.
I don't expect too much from the D940 as I'm using my DDR400 and AGP video. I'm most interested in seeing how well it performs encoding DVDs. Lots of people advised me to get an Athlon 64x2 3800+ instead of the D940 for around the same price but for the most part it's much more comparable to the 4400+ or the 4800+. It even beats both of them in some of the benchmarks. I think the D920 would be more like the 3800+. The D940 may not be the fastest but it's a good chip and will be a huge improvement over the OC'd P4. I plan to bump the fsb from 200 to 225 which will give me a 900MHz fsb and a 3.60GHz OC on the CPU. People at Intel told me that while they don't condone overclocking and officially they can't say anything one way or the other. They did say that going to 3.60 shouldn't hurt it! I take that as an O.K.!!!
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theonejrs
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23. May 2006 @ 12:31 |
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Ya think??? And the article was written by Willy Deeplung!!
Gotha watch about for that Wily Buttplug. Sorry couldn't resist.
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23. May 2006 @ 14:58 |
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tokijin,
Yeah, you don't want to take a bow!!! He He!!! I couldn't resist either!
On a more serious note, here's a link to Asus MB/CPU Compatibility.
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
Just enter the CPU and click go! There are about 25 or so MBs to choose from. Newegg is way behind on this one!
happy Computering,
theonejrs
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