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Ubuntu good or not
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2. July 2006 @ 21:26 |
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thats sharp! I may have to try that since SuSE doesn't like my network card. I have a NVIDIA installed,I also have a 3COM I could throw in it and I'm sure it would work fine, but after 3 days of determining that was "the problem" I think I'll wait. This video Linux definetly has my undivided attention for the time being... don't see anyone complaining about NVIDIA on there site either, so maybe I can get it up and running w/o changing hardware. Sounds incredibly lazy huh? Actually I'm just trying to keep from breaking the seal. But I better wait till I finish this book on Linux.... I haven't got to WINE yet...
Just wondering: Has anyone seen Revolution OS? I watched 9 minutes of it on IFILM... can't seem to find anywhere hosting the whole film. I'd love to see the rest, if anyone knows of a place please let me know.
Free Grooverider!!!!
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2. July 2006 @ 23:43 |
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Not a hosting site for the film but where you can get it. http://www.revolution-os.com/
VideoLinux is in the Alpha stage. What this means is it's a very early release but something to keep an eye out for. I installed it on one of my computers and I'm seeing what I can do with it. I shall keep everyone posted.
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2. July 2006 @ 23:50 |
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thanks once again Dolphin.... you always come thru
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janrocks
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3. July 2006 @ 02:18 |
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I have now succesfully insatlled videolinux on an ancient machine... It seems to work well, apart from the obvious alpha type things. Looks good so far. I'm going to install it on a machine that will do it justice sometime in the week if I get chance.
Just the fact that it runs on a p2 333 with less than 200MB ram proves that it's pretty stable. :) (the entire OS install is less than 1.9GB)
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3. July 2006 @ 10:03 |
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drakshug
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16. September 2006 @ 11:02 |
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Fiend has a downer on ubuntu and goes on about unshadowed passwords. Ahem. I've always used shadowed passwords on ubuntu. It gives you the choice of shadowed or unshadowed. As for sudo..........OK nice point but ubuntu doesn't allow full root usage unless you are as su and not sudo. Compare it with windows which allows everything.
You point out you are a debian user - What is the core of Ubuntu?
Debian? It seems to be the old debian ubuntu gripe. As for debian being bug and hacker free - how many debian updates have been provided by the ubuntu team?
The only gripe I have with ubuntu 6 is it's crap pppoe support - reboot and it is gone but I've heard the same complaints from suse, debian and redhat users too.
That is my input and I've been on both debian and ubuntu for quite a few years.
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16. September 2006 @ 12:35 |
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I take it you do realise that what you just stated has F*CKALL to do with what i said ?
And not to mention you're claiming i said things i never even mentioned.
Let me quote myself here :
Originally posted by The_Fiend:
I feel that any Linux distribution that works with sudo users should be taken off the net, as this poses an even greater security risk than having unshadowed passfiles.
Now, a question arises :where exactly did i say that Debian was bug and hacker free?
Because i don't remember saying that, and i can't seem to find it in any of myposts in this thread.
And last but not least, you said :
Originally posted by drakshug:
As for sudo..........OK nice point but ubuntu doesn't allow full root usage unless you are as su and not sudo.
I'd have to ask you what part of the words Exploit and Vulnerability you don't understand...
I was talking about an exploit that enabled an attacker to gain root rights on vulnerable Ubuntu machines through a flaw in the Sudo scripting.
Next time if you're going to try and debunk what i said, at least take the time to properly read through my posts and come up with something that doesn't make you sound like another fanboy.
[edit] and let me add, you said, and i quote
Originally posted by drakshug:
That is my input and I've been on both debian and ubuntu for quite a few years.
Funny, this is what i know about Ubuntu's existance :
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History and development
Ubuntu's first release on October 20, 2004 began as a temporary fork of the Debian GNU/Linux project, with the aim of drawing from Debian's code regularly in order to allow for a new version of Ubuntu to be released every six months. This schedule allows Ubuntu to always include the most recent version of GNOME, which also follows a six-month release cycle. In contrast with some other general-purpose forks of Debian such as Xandros, Linspire and Libranet, Canonical have stayed close to Debian's philosophy with Ubuntu and use free software most of the time rather than relying on closed-source add-ons as part of their business model.[2]
Ubuntu packages are generally based on packages from Debian's unstable branch: Ubuntu uses Debian's Advanced Packaging Tool to manage installed packages, although Debian and Ubuntu packages are not necessarily binary compatible with each other. Many Ubuntu developers are also maintainers of key packages within Debian itself, and Ubuntu changes are contributed back to Debian as they are made, rather than being announced only at release time.[3]
There are plans for a branch codenamed Grumpy Groundhog. It will be a permanently unstable development and testing branch, pulling the source directly out of the revision control of the various programs and applications that are shipped as part of Ubuntu. This will allow power users and upstream developers to test up-to-the-minute versions of individual programs as they would appear if packaged for the distribution today, without needing to build packages themselves; it will be able to provide early warning of build failures on various architectures. It is intended that Grumpy Groundhog should merge with Debian Unstable every six months. Grumpy Groundhog has not yet been made available to the public.[4]
Ubuntu is currently funded by Canonical Ltd. On July 8, 2005, Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical Ltd. announced the creation of the Ubuntu Foundation and provided an initial funding of US$10 million. The purpose of the foundation is to ensure the support and development for all future versions of Ubuntu, but as of 2006, the foundation remains dormant. Mark Shuttleworth describes the foundation as an emergency fund in case Canonical's involvement ends.
(source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29 )
Care to try again ? [/edit]
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drakshug
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16. September 2006 @ 12:54 |
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So what exactly is your gripe with ubuntu as a vast majority of your posts slams it?
You said you use debian for work. Is that with security holes? Basically ubuntu is a debian build, isn't it?
My point was that scanning the linux boards (not just this thread) shows the majority of your posts are anti-ubuntu. Why?
As for your crits - there are exploits on every linux distro. You crit the sudo system allowing outside control and in theory allowing the ability to access root from outside. There are other exploits, disregarding sudo, to gain access to root and I'm quite happy running my machine as a user and doing sudo to change stuff rather than running as root (like in windows).
I guess we will have to agree to disagree and I will have to stop reading between the lines. :)
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16. September 2006 @ 13:14 |
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My gripes with Ubuntu where the fact that like windows, they patched up holes in security with equally sized holes, it had bad scripting flaws, and more holes than a swiss cheese.
Note emphasis on "where", as you are reacting to posts made in JUNE, and i have since somewhat changed my mind about it, as the Ubuntu team made some proper fixes for the worst vulnerability's.
The reason i react so strongly is that you are taking things out of context, commenting on things that no longer apply to the distro, and making alot of assumptions, that are far from the truth.
But here's a simple solution, you stop commenting on my (mostly former) dislike of Ubuntu, and i won't have to slap you about the head with inconsistancies in your posts, and your (apparent) "selective" reading.
irc://arcor.de.eu.dal.net/wasted_hate
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drakshug
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16. September 2006 @ 13:25 |
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No probs fiend. I accept your points that you have changed your views.
By the way my head is extremely hard so I doubt if it would do any good.
Anyway let's forget it and I withdraw my comments seeing as they are on out of date stuff.
So what would you recommend now? I'm going back to ubuntu 5.1 as the Ubuntu 6 has an almost impossible to use adsl. That is using both pppoeconf and rp-pppoe. It installs fine and then refuses to connect after a reboot. I'm not much into suse (5 disks) and don't want to go back to debian. What about Gentoo?
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The_Fiend
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16. September 2006 @ 13:41 |
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Gentoo is a fine distro, a bit more like BSD than linux, but good nonetheless.
You could also try Mepis or Slax.
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16. September 2006 @ 13:47 |
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don't forget *cough* Mandriva *cough*
especially the 64-bit version :)
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16. September 2006 @ 13:49 |
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Thanks. I think I'll download and give it a try. I've got freebsd on a clunker at work and it runs fine.
Sorry I got off on the wrong foot with ya.
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16. September 2006 @ 14:07 |
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Hey, almost everyone starts out that way with me, i'm the forum's resident @sshole and allround ornery b@stard.
Once you get used to that, i'm not that bad, according to some.
And indeed, i forgot mandriva, also a good distro.
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16. September 2006 @ 14:38 |
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16. September 2006 @ 15:02 |
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Which means you suck, like all fanboys.
And don't forget, GOD HATES FANBOYS!
[edit]Tocool = sneaky post editing wh0r3[/edit]
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16. September 2006 @ 16:21 |
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Quote:
Which means you suck, like all fanboys.
And don't forget, GOD HATES FANBOYS!
what are you on crack? :)
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9. October 2006 @ 07:41 |
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True, Ubantu isn't perfect, but it's better than Windoze in the security dept. And noobs do need to crawl before they walk. I back up my hard drive regularly. And I am crawling, like any good noob, just as fast as I can away from Windoze.
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