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2. July 2008 @ 07:43 |
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Exactly. Look at Bioshock. It's based on the same Unreal 2.5 engine as Rainbow Six Vegas, but it runs about like FEAR. Maxed settings at 1920 x 1200 with 4xAA and 8xAF gets me ~65FPS average. It runs smooth as butter and looks fantastic.
Granted it looks about as good as FEAR from a character model/ environment standpoint. But the lighting looks much better, IMO. A good example of a well optimized game regardless of which platform you run it on, be it PC or Xbox 360.
Keep in mind that, aside from the monitor and RAM, this is a fairly budget oriented rig. Even the X1800XT 512MB can handle it maxed at 1280 x 1024.
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2. July 2008 @ 08:23 |
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the unreal engine is one of few that actualyl take advantage of Qcores.
UT3 shows big gains, and with the unreal engine supporting physix (the agea one that nvidia now control) so the unreal3 engine is a good one, well bar the fact that you have to set AA from the nvidia control panel/CCC, as they dont provide it in game. haha
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2. July 2008 @ 08:40 |
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That's never been a big deal for me as I always use the control panel anyway. Instead of using separate profiles for each game, I just go in and change my settings depending on what game I'm playing.
Bioshock and Rainbow Six Vegas are based on UE 2.5. It's basically Unreal 2 modified with parts of Unreal 3. So they don't get the quad core advantage like UT3, but AFAIK they still support dual core.
I only wish RS: Vegas had been optimized for better performance. It runs like poop even on heavy duty SLI/Crossfire configs.
Unreal engine 3 is a very good engine that I can see staying around at least as long as other Unreal versions. It performs excellently and produces jaw-dropping graphics. Gears of War for PC runs like a dream on my rig and is easily a graphical rival to HL2: Ep2 or Crysis, IMO.
A lot of people say Unreal Tournament 3 isn't that good looking a game. But it has a lot to do with the style of gameplay. It's too fast-paced to stop and actually enjoy the graphics that much. The game is loaded with very high resolution textures and very nice looking models.
@shaffaaf, how well does UT3 run on your 7800GT?
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2. July 2008 @ 11:13 |
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Estuansis: Bioshock runs well. To say that it's like FEAR in that regard is a bit of a misnoma. FEAR is the most scalable game I have ever seen. It can be scaled to run well on even an X1400, or it can be scaled to run like dump on even a GTX280 - yes, you heard. It basically comes down to the fact that the shadow engine in FEAR is incredible - it can deliver typical run of the mill shadows or no shadows, or very intensive effects that were ahead of its time for 2005. We're saying Crysis is ridiculous now because we can't get anywhere near to turning it to max, but in truth, maxing FEAR in 2005 was like maxing Crysis now, FEAR was just less noticeable because if you dropped the settings a bit, it would actually run properly.
Rainbow Six Vegas should really be excluded from Unreal engine comparisons because it's a port, and one of the worst (not THE worst, that one goes to Double Agent) but for any game to be able to pull 4fps on an HD387 at some setting when it was made back in 2006 gets a gold medal for the 'ridiculous requirements' list.
The reason why it runs badly on SLI/Crossfire setups is because it isn't supported. I make 4fps with one 3870, but made only 3 with two of them, late drivers too.
Back to Bioshock, I ran it at 1920x1200 back with my old X1900XT with all the eye candy on, I'm pretty sure it made a good 40fps or so. Not too shabby at all!
Shaff: You mention PhysX, but other than Cell Factor, UT3, and the 3dmark vantage test, what actually uses it, years on from its introduction?
I've actually stopped using Catalyst control center now - over the past two or three XP installs, I've racked up over five thousand errors in my system log for Catalyst control center issues. The program's still a joke, even now. No wonder it takes so long to start up.
Gears of War and UT3 look, and run quite similarly. I'd give UT3 one extra plus point for graphics for better textures, but two minus points for very poor quality motion blur and haze, that spoil the pretty textures underneath. Both can be maxed at 1680x1050 with an X1900XT, and both can be maxed at 2560x1600 and be smoothish with an HD3870. The only opportunity I had to test crossfire with them, CF wasn't yet implemented for the games, but now that it is, undoubtedly any HD3000 or 4000 crossfire setup will mince them even at my res. I didn't test AA, because it's not in the game.
As for the overall quality, HL2 Ep2 beats GoW/UT3 quite handily for graphical quality - whilst some parts of crysis are nice, others are so bad, I place it further down on the list.
Wow, that was a long one! :)
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2. July 2008 @ 11:53 |
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SAM, STOP MAKING ME READ :P
@ Estuansis
i now have a HD x2900GT, and i havent actually got the game (no money to buy it yet, but its my next one :) )
sorry.
sam, now that nvidia have bought it, and with the plethora of TWIMTBP games coming out, they will take the oportunity to use CUDA to implement it. im sure off it. look how nvidia killed 10.1 with its TWIMTBP. im very sure it will be implemeneted, such as now bilizzard have now partnered with ATI, and are anouncing havoc physics for diablo 3.
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2. July 2008 @ 11:56 |
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Indeed, nvidia using their market dominance to abolish a technology that offers superior image quality. Well, it wouldn't be the first time eh?
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2. July 2008 @ 11:59 |
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Estuansis: Bioshock runs well. To say that it's like FEAR in that regard is a bit of a misnoma. FEAR is the most scalable game I have ever seen. It can be scaled to run well on even an X1400, or it can be scaled to run like dump on even a GTX280 - yes, you heard. It basically comes down to the fact that the shadow engine in FEAR is incredible - it can deliver typical run of the mill shadows or no shadows, or very intensive effects that were ahead of its time for 2005. We're saying Crysis is ridiculous now because we can't get anywhere near to turning it to max, but in truth, maxing FEAR in 2005 was like maxing Crysis now, FEAR was just less noticeable because if you dropped the settings a bit, it would actually run properly.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-review-test/18
Is this the article you're referencing? Either way, wow, 27FPS on a GTX280. You wouldn't think FEAR would be so graphics intensive. I'll have to admit that it's an incredible looking game, despite it's age. Kind of drab and boring though. No change in scenery.
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Back to Bioshock, I ran it at 1920x1200 back with my old X1900XT with all the eye candy on, I'm pretty sure it made a good 40fps or so. Not too shabby at all!
I know, isn't that nice? Even the 7600GT could handle it mostly high at 1280 x 1024. That makes it easy to play on an older PC. Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFoNAHPQxKg
Not only did it run decent, it looked decent. I think this video says a lot about the game. Like the guy in the video says, a lot of gamers would be happy if the developers released a shader model 2.0 patch. An X850XT or X800XL could handle the game just fine at 1280 x 1024 with medium-high settings.
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As for the overall quality, HL2 Ep2 beats GoW/UT3 quite handily for graphical quality - whilst some parts of crysis are nice, others are so bad, I place it further down on the list.
Episode 2 is by far the best looking game ever made, IMO. It's not quite as "pretty" as UT3 but the models are very smooth and the lighting is very natural.
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2. July 2008 @ 12:39 |
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I think so yeah. You make a good point about FEAR, my comment about it has always been it's one of the best looking games in the worst looking environment - so much more could probably be done with the engine than to render those sorts of environments.
Originally posted by Estuansis:
Episode 2 is by far the best looking game ever made, IMO. It's not quite as "pretty" as UT3 but the models are very smooth and the lighting is very natural.
Agreed - Crysis isn't good in its entirety so you lose the effect, Games like GoW/UT3 aren't as good looking full stop, but HL2:Ep2 whilst not offering as many stunning effects as other games looks the business, and does from start to finish - there isn't a section I can name where there's a sudden break in the quality of the graphics - they're uniformly excellent, as is the performance. 2560x1600 with AA on one 3870? How often do you see that in games produced after 2004?
I just spotted this post from earlier:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
Call of Duty 1 sometimes drops into the low 20s with lots of action on the screen. Other times I get over 500 FPS. I've been told it's a driver issue. That seems to be the norm with most Q3 engine games. Wolfenstein has graphical anomalies, MOH:AA refuses to run, and Call of Duty has performance issues. Go figure that the roots of modern FPS games are becoming unsupported
It's the same with the HD3870 - if you own an HD series card, you can't run Return to castle wolfenstein - not supported. The reason is that 3dfx glide support is no longer added to new graphics cards, so games that rely on it won't work full stop - break out the software rendering! Ugh...
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2. July 2008 @ 23:01 |
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It's the same with Call of Duty: United Offensive. And to be honest, UO looks closer to CoD2 than CoD1. These are modern games, but the newest hardware no longer supports them. WTF. I'm even using XP with Dx 9, and I still have problems.
Thankfully the X1800XT plays all Q3 engine games with no problems. A 2.4GHz X2 and a 512MB X1800XT is still a very potent platform for a lot of the latest games. There are very few games it can't run with fairly maxed settings at 1650 x 1080.
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It's the same with the HD3870 - if you own an HD series card, you can't run Return to castle wolfenstein - not supported. The reason is that 3dfx glide support is no longer added to new graphics cards, so games that rely on it won't work full stop - break out the software rendering! Ugh...
The Q3 engine is also very scalable as well. I had no problem getting CoD: UO to run choppy on a 7600GT. There's no reason these games shouldn't be supported. They still have huge fanbases.
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Rainbow Six Vegas should really be excluded from Unreal engine comparisons because it's a port, and one of the worst (not THE worst, that one goes to Double Agent) but for any game to be able to pull 4fps on an HD387 at some setting when it was made back in 2006 gets a gold medal for the 'ridiculous requirements' list.
The reason why it runs badly on SLI/Crossfire setups is because it isn't supported. I make 4fps with one 3870, but made only 3 with two of them, late drivers too.
Rename R6Vegas.exe to FEAR.exe. Your performance will go through the roof.
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2. July 2008 @ 23:31 |
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Hmm, I wish I could talk about playing games. Unfortunately, all I can tell you is that Mass Effect looks pretty damn good on my 360.
By chance, have any of you played Advent Rising?
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2. July 2008 @ 23:33 |
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Advent rising is old news. I tried it a while back. It was okay. Gameplay was a bit repetitive, but it played good and looked good.
Mass Effect on the PC is incredible.
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2. July 2008 @ 23:41 |
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There are many similarities in the Story between Advent Rising and Mass Effect. Don't ask me what because it's just a feeling I have lol.
Seriously though, it seems like I am the only one that enjoyed Advent Rising. It's my favorite game of all time haha.
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2. July 2008 @ 23:49 |
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My favorite game of all time goes to Final Fantasy 7. I love a good console RPG. FF7 is the best of the ones on PS1, and FFX was the best on PS2(both made me cry). lol
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3. July 2008 @ 00:07 |
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The only Final Fantasy I ever played was on the SNES. I guess I have been missing out, but I just got kinda into RPGs. I used to hate them, but I liked Oblivion, and I LOVE MASS EFFECT!!!!
lol
Seriously, Mass Effect is a great game. I love all the dialogue(for some reason Firefox thinks I have spelt this wrong; it also thinks spelt is not correct) options. Weird.
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3. July 2008 @ 00:12 |
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Oblivion is actually pretty nice with a GeForce 8 series card. I play 1650 x 1080 with 4xAA and 8xAF. I used tweakguides.com to go through the settings and adjust it for my 2GB of RAM and dual core CPU. That seems to smooth it out considerably. It looks nice and plays well. In the wilderness it drops down to 35FPS but it usually hangs around 50FPS.
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3. July 2008 @ 00:16 |
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Hmm, I never liked it on the PC. I played it with a 7600GT so performance wasn't the BEST, but I just preferred controls on the 360.
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3. July 2008 @ 00:30 |
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Using tweakguides.com I got it quite playable on the 7600GT with a few settings disabled(self shadows, ext. shadows, shadow filtering.) 1024 x 768 All sliders at about 65% and HDR on. I got 35-45 FPS outdoors and in the 50s in towns. It didn't look too bad. About the same as Xbox360 with a bit more fade in.
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3. July 2008 @ 00:54 |
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Hmm, I have looked through tweakguides, but it always looked like so much work, and I'm a lazy bastard.
So how is that case holding up for you? I had one of the LEDs die on startup on one of the Raidmaxes, but that was isolated.
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3. July 2008 @ 01:45 |
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It's been holding up just fine. It's plenty sturdy and of good quality.
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3. July 2008 @ 06:26 |
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Estuansis: Now you see why I've kept a PC with an X2 4200+ and an X1900XT? Sadly because of yet another failed Asus board I think that PC needs to move to socket AM2 or 775 soon, because 939 replacements are tricky to find for reasonable cash on ebay, but the X1900XT is staying put. It's a 'compatibility machine' lol.
As for performance in vegas, thanks for the tip - for the moment though I'm back to using a single card, so maybe next time.
I played mass effect on the 360 for all of a couple of minutes - the rest of the time watched someone else play it and it looked pretty dull and repetitive, can't say how good it looked because we use a CRT TV - in any case though, when I saw HD Xbox graphics for myself again on tuesday, I realised why I moan so much about PC graphics - if I sat more than a foot away from the screen, it wouldn't seem so bad!
I never played Oblivion much because I couldn't believe how bad it looked as soon as I set foot outside. I couldn't really be bothered to go through the tweak guides to make the game not have graphical quality more suited to the original Operation Flashpoint...
Abuzar: faulty LEDs is a problem that plagues NZXT on a regular basis, I wouldn't put Raidmax down for that.
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3. July 2008 @ 13:44 |
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You don't normally expect much from a company that produces such poor PSUs but this is a decent case and certainly a bit more aggressive looking than the Thermaltake Armor. I liked the Armor but I really don't need 10 CD drive bays and 6 hard drive bays. lol
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Now you see why I've kept a PC with an X2 4200+ and an X1900XT? Sadly because of yet another failed Asus board I think that PC needs to move to socket AM2 or 775 soon, because 939 replacements are tricky to find for reasonable cash on ebay, but the X1900XT is staying put. It's a 'compatibility machine' lol.
Take it socket AM2 to keep the theme of the setup. I'd get a 5000+ BE and OC it to 3.2GHz. That'd be a sweet machine :)
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3. July 2008 @ 14:51 |
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their new toughpower PSUs have been doing great. esp for the price.
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3. July 2008 @ 18:45 |
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The toughpowers have been good since release - that is of course because they are actually the same as the Corsair TX, minus the inferior fan configuration.
Estuansis: To be fair again, NZXT's PSUs aren't all that great. I'm seeing less and less difference between the companies.
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3. July 2008 @ 19:20 |
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I was talking about Raidmax. Their PSUs are horrible. But my 750W TT Toughpower was really nice and came in a combo deal with the Armor :)
I see a lot of difference between companies. Very few offer really nice PSUs. Corsair, OCZ, Zalman, Gigabyte, those are good companies with solid products all the way through their lines.
Other companies(as you know) produce piss poor PSUs that they shouldn't be allowed to sell. Deer, Raidmax, Coolmax, Ultra, Kingwin, Xion, Sigma are some of those terrible brands. I've seen all of those cause problems in builds time and time again.
I generally avoid any PSU that comes pre-installed in a case.
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Estuansis, you had a Armor too! Man great minds think alike lol.
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