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Shrink with no compression or DVD-rebuilder ?
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Rick6
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11. March 2006 @ 18:45 |
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I have just backed up my copy of Annie Hall. The size is 3'981 MB.
Keeping in mind that no compression wasn't neccessary in this case and keeping in mind that I have a 50" high-def TV sceen to watch this on , the big question is, If I had used DVD-rebuilder instead of shrink would I be seeing a difference in the quality of the picture ?
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cinezone
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12. March 2006 @ 03:23 |
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You don't have to use theses progs if the size of the dvd is smaller than 4.7Go (your case). You only have to copy dvd to hd with DVD Decrypter or dvd fab decrypter then burn it with you favorite application.
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12. March 2006 @ 06:19 |
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Cinezone is absolutely right........ what I do is put the movie through DVDRemake and take out all unwanted stuff then I burn with CopyToDVD or Imgburn. no compression needed or processing with other programs nessissary!
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Rick6
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12. March 2006 @ 07:48 |
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I do not feel my question has been answered .In the first place I want to continue to use shrink . Why have you suggested I should copy the movie to my hard drive is confusing are you saying this is supposed to make the quality better , is that why you mentioned it?
You also mention using DVD Decrypter and DVD Fab , again are you saying this because it will improve my quality?
I feel my original question has basically a yes or no answer to it.
So here it is again.
Which will give me the better quality back-up? DVD-Rebuilder or DVD Shrink with out any compression? Will there be a difference in Quality?
Thanks.
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12. March 2006 @ 07:59 |
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DVDRebuilder will give you the best quality than any program out there!!! did I answer your question? hahahahaha can't get any more difinitive than that! BUT--------if you don't need compression------you don't need shrink or DVDRebuilder! get a 1:1 copy by burning the files directly!!!! straight forward enough?
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12. March 2006 @ 08:00 |
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There is debate as to wether shrink will change the files, even under no compression, I am not sure about rebuilder, however, both of these programs (Shrink and DVD-RB) are used to compress a movie to fit a regular DVD-5. I would follow the suggestions above. Just use DVD Decrypter, Iso read, then iso write, that will get you a perfect copy without any quality loss at all, I do this for any DVD that does not require compression (or if I'm burning straight to DVD-9). However, if you must use Shrink or DVD-RB, I would suggest DVD-RB only because of the debate about shrink in "no compression" mode.
edit: IHoe beat me to it, and was a little more staight forward that I was lol.
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12. March 2006 @ 08:05 |
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GMTA....... Good job ebega!~
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L8ter
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12. March 2006 @ 08:18 |
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@Rick6
if you are using shrink to rip your dvd's then burn w/ decrypter or imgburn, then it's best to skip the shrink process altogether.
use dvddecrypter iso read then iso write modes. this will give you a perfect copy of the original.
shrink will process the files by some measure negating the quality of the original most times an indiscernable amount but processing them it is!
if you were to try to encode w/ rebuilder (which will give you higher quality in every instance), you will get a pop-up asking if you would like to continue even though your file will fit onto a DVD-5 disk already.
if you wish to remove/edit/or filter the source is the only reason's I could possibly think to use either shrink or rebuilder if no compression is needed. if not just burn,baby burn
L8
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12. March 2006 @ 08:51 |
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@L8ter... saying the same thing as we all have over and over again! LOL
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12. March 2006 @ 09:01 |
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I still use DVD Shrink to back up 100% movie only back ups, doing away with the menu, extra's etc.
Still use DVD Shrink on anything thats over 85% quality, use DVD Rebuilder and CCE SP for anything under that.
I've got a Panasonic 50" LCD HDTV and right up close you can't tell the difference with anything shrink does compared to DVDR/CCE SP at over 85%....
Different below the 85% zone.....
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Buik
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12. March 2006 @ 09:15 |
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@ Rick6
NO
Unless DVD Re-builder or any other program can "enhance" or improve the quality of the original movie files, then the answere is "NO".
Everything thrown out is for taking a movie larger than DVD-5 and making it fit on a DVD-5 disc. Many programs listed let you to strip out all the unwanted stuff. This in itself may make it un-necessary to transcode/shrink the files. If you must transcode or shrink the files, you may get the best results from DVD-rebuilder. I've not used it but have read many favorable comments.
I think that intill we have Blue-Ray or HD DVD discs, you will not see much difference as long as the file(s) burned onto a DVD-5 disc have not neen transcoded or compressed.
TC
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Rick6
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12. March 2006 @ 09:28 |
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Everyone:
First of all, let me say I appreciate everyone's effort in trying to help.
IHoe, in fact, you did not answer my question. Saying that DVD-Rebuilder is the best program out there for quality - are you saying that if I make a backup copy using DVD Shrink only, without needing to compress, that the copy will be inferior to that of one which was made using DVD-Rebuilder? The answer is either, "Yes, the DVD Shrink will be inferior", or, "No, the copy will be as good." Which is true?
You see, if the copy is going to be as good, then I will continue to use the DVD Shrink. And when I see that compression is needed, I will simply divide the title over 2 discs instead of 1, or 3 discs in the case of the "Godfather 2" movie. I don't mind this method. I am comfortable with it. It doesn't take a lot of time and the good discs I buy are only 40 cents each. In the last three months, I have backed up about 1,400 movies.
My intent is to give my son the originals and I will be keeping the backup copies. My method has been simple. I turn on DVD Shrink and go through that only. Although I have DVD Decrypter, DVD Fab VOBBanker and DVD 43 all sitting on the desktop, I do not use them or need to go into them ... except on rare occasions like 1 out of 50 burns. Now perhaps these programs are helping without me knowing it, running in the background and all. I can't say for sure. All I can say for sure is I turn on DVD Shrink and Nero does the burning. I have another 800 movies to backup. With that many to do, I can't afford to use a program like DVD-Rebuilder when it will take so much longer to backup a copy UNLESS the extra time is justified by a significant upgrade in quality.
ebega has said to just use DVD Decrypter when no compression is needed. Now is he saying that I will get a better copy using that method then I would with DVD Shrink? Or is he just telling me his preferred method?
So, now everyone knows my situation, but to reiterate:
1. I am comfortable with using DVD Shrink program.
2. I don't mind spreading a movie over 2 discs.
3. Considering the number of backups I have to make yet, I need a quick method.
4. I am willing to sacrifice time making backups if it's a significant improvement in quality.
5. I rarely have decryption issues.
6. I view these backups on a 50" Hitachi HD TV, so poor picture quality is noticable.
Thanks, everyone, for your help. Perhaps now that you have the entire picture in front of you, you could advise me accordingly.
Rick6
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Buik
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12. March 2006 @ 10:07 |
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Interesting.
Rick, as long as you get a "byte for byte" copy of what you want, do it. It does not matter how you do it, just the results.
That's all that matters. Getting a good quality back-up that fits your needs. Considering the prices of hard drives these days, a few USB2 drives are not a bad option. And you can also burn discs from the USB2 drive and not have to worry about it being scratched up from normal use. Like children & grand children.....
TC
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12. March 2006 @ 10:13 |
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With no compression it would NOT make a difference.
Also there is no need to use DVD Shrink IF no compression
is needed. You can however and it would still make no difference.
Now if you DO need compression a disk,
Then DVD-rb is the way to go.
And WILL make a difference when compared to DVD Shrink.
But in this case it wouldnt matter either way.
(Since no files need to be modified due to the size.)
To each his own is what I always say.
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Rick6
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12. March 2006 @ 10:17 |
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Whats a USB2 drive and whats it do?
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Buik
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12. March 2006 @ 11:58 |
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A USB 2 drive is a stand a lone HDD that is connected to your computer via one of your USB connections. Preferably it will have its own power supply.
TC
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Rick6
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12. March 2006 @ 12:34 |
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I'm curious, Would you happen to know how many average movies would the USB2 drive be capable of holding and would they degrade after a time? ,and what about price?
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12. March 2006 @ 14:19 |
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http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=414
Search around this site for various prices. As for number of movies, all depends on the size of hard drive you decide to buy. BTW, Newegg is a great site for computer gear, all my past experiences have been nothing short of fantastic with them (not selling, just passing along info ;) )
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12. March 2006 @ 16:41 |
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@Rick.... I can't believe you still can't get what I have been answering you all along! Quote:
are you saying that if I make a backup copy using DVD Shrink only, without needing to compress, that the copy will be inferior to that of one which was made using DVD-Rebuilder? The answer is either, "Yes, the DVD Shrink will be inferior", or, "No, the copy will be as good." Which is true?
my answer is still:
if you don't need compression------you don't need shrink or DVDRebuilder! get a 1:1 copy by burning the files directly!!!!
a 1:1 copy of a DVD that DOESN'T NEED COMPRESSION is the best! ok..... you can't get any better. Soooooooooooooo If you use Shrink or DVD-RB it may add files or change them in some ways!! soooooooooooo use what works for you...... how many backups have you done? check mine out in my sig! And still....... if you want to keep those copies and give the originals away..... then I would use DVD-RB with CCE...... now you want the best quality out there.... RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTT????? IN MY OPINION IN MY OPINIONI hope I stressed that enough for you...... DVD-RB is the best qualtiy program out there right now ........ and I know that there are other Members here that agree ..... and if you don't well...... then here is another thread for you on which is better.... DVDShrink vs. DVDRebuilder: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/310835
all the members there agree: Rebuilder is better than Shrink when it comes to quality..... so keep on using Shrink because it's faster and give your originals away to your kids, but know that Rebuilder will do a beter job and have better quality..... just my 2 cents..... don't try to keep giving me change! I don't need it! YES Rebuilder is better! I hope I explained myself to the point that you will accept! but if you don't want or like what I say then don't ask! Keep using Shrink.... but REbuilder is better! I can't be more ANAL than that! sorryyyyyyyyyyyyy
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I have another 800 movies to backup. With that many to do, I can't afford to use a program like DVD-Rebuilder when it will take so much longer to backup a copy UNLESS the extra time is justified by a significant upgrade in quality.
now I hope you've read my reply above and understand my answer!
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Buik
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12. March 2006 @ 16:47 |
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Generally, divide the size of the USB drive by 4.38gb (minus the 3gb~ for the system files & such) and you can figure out how many movies you can store on it.
A quality USB HDD (or any HDD) will not degrade like a plastic DVD disc will. Regardless of its manufacturer. It will not be subjected to the same use/abuse as a DVD disc. Any HDD's life span is more likely measured in hours. A couple hundred thousand hours of running time is not a bad thing.
every thing degrades over time. Even the original disc. That is why we back them up.
NewEgg is just one of many outlets that will give you value for your money. Just don't forget to watch your local stores (Big & Small) for good deals on components.
TC
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12. March 2006 @ 17:07 |
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and another thing.....800 movies.... let just say 4 Gigs per movie= 3,200 Gigs = 13, 250Gig external Hard drives...... and what about your new discs that you might want to do? at a $140.00 range per external hard drive that's a lot of money!
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12. March 2006 @ 17:34 |
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@IHoe
Your even confusing me! HAHA J/K
You have explained it good enough that a monkey shoul;d bebale to understand what your saying. So I wouldnt bother explaining yourself anymore. It is there in black and white. If somone dosent understand what your saying then they have no need to be trying to backup thier DVD's anyway.
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12. March 2006 @ 17:42 |
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pheewwwwwwwww I thought I was speaking Rohmullan!!! and no one understood me! thanks!
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Rick6
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12. March 2006 @ 20:29 |
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IHoe it appears you have misunderstood the intent of my questions.
I never had any doubt that DVD-rebuilder was better then Shrink . This I new already. Plus I never said or suggested that Shrink was better. All I wanted to know and was conserned about was if I had made a mistake copying all thoes movies by not using DVD-Rebuilder.
It turns out that I have not made a mistake because if a movie I backup could not fit on one disc with out compressing it then I use two disc or three sometimes. True it may not be the best way to do it. I'm aware of that, but I haven't sold myself short on picture quality have I. This is all I wanted to know. Thanks to everyone who tried to help.
Rick6
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13. March 2006 @ 02:11 |
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@L8ter... saying the same thing as we all have over and over again! LOL
no I was assuming the man was using shrink and shrink alone(+burning app) I was actually approaching this from a different angle, you should have picked up on that pal =)
I got the feeling he did not want to try every app out there I addressed it as so
there are those that may have never even heard of dvddecrypter before they come here or know not of it's use!
sometimes posting fairly regularly in these support forum's starts to grind on you,(been there) and the post's made can easily be misconstued as umm irate, that was the reason I posted here and nothing more appologize if I stepped on any toes
but I can see you boy's are having fun here so I'll let it be!
L8
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