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mikej3131
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13. March 2006 @ 12:22 |
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HEllo,
I have a bunch of movies that are DVDrips that got recoded into Divx format. Now my question is, is it worth it to buy dvd-r's and burn these Divx movies back onto a DVD. Wil there be a gain in quality?
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13. March 2006 @ 12:46 |
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converting your files to DVD format and burn to disc won't increase your quality! What kind of quality are you DivX files? if they are good.... then use ConvertXtoDVD by VSO and enjoy!
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 05:14 |
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i dont know what you mean when you say what type of quality are they?
Should i look for resolution of the XviD file, file size, what else?
And why did you say if they are good quality XviD files then i should convert them to dvd? y shouldnt i convert if they are not good quality?
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14. March 2006 @ 05:47 |
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All XviD or DivX copies are not created equal. When I have converted a 1.3 Gb XviD to 4.5 Gb DVD, the quality will never be better than what the original DivX movie when played in that format. Hopefully it stays the same or somewhat slightly lower in quality. If the original XviD /Divx sucks in quality then converting to DVD will NOT make it better , only worse.There is a computer term GIGO. Garbage In Garbage Out. Just because you convert a crappy DivX movie to DVD , does not mean you get DVD Quality !!! Going from 1.3 gb DivX to 4.5 gb DVD is like blowing up a 35 mm picture , maybe it looks good as a 4x6 print, OK as a 5x7 , but it starts getting grainy as a 8x10.
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y shouldnt i convert if they are not good quality?
Because its a waste of time to do and you wont be able to enjoy watching the copy, if the picture is too dark or washed out or the sound sucks.....
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 06:01 |
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hmm i think i understand now.
Ok all my xvid's are from 700MB to 1.5MB. Would it be better to get a divx/dvd player? Do they make them. and if they do, do they make them with upconverters and Progressive scan?
Another question. When i get my 50 inch lcd HDTV, are my XviD movies gonna look like crap on it, either by watching them on a dvd or a XviD player? I heard something about tv's that scale images. Would scaling be the same as blowing up a 35mm picture?
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14. March 2006 @ 06:09 |
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72Morgan gave you what I was trying to tell you...... and remember his advise about pictures...... if it looks good as a 6x4 print and you blow it up to an 8x10 it gets grainy...... well the same goes for a larger TV! That's why the better quality the files are that's the best you can hope for when converting to DVD format! Keep that in mind when you want to burn a DivX movie!
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 06:14 |
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hmm i see ihoe.
What about the XviD player? would quality be better on a big screen tv if i converted them to dvd and playd on a dvd player or bought a XviD player and played them on the XviD player on my big screen?
And what is the hype over these DivX and XviD movies. every forum i go in on xvid's, people are saying hwo they are the format of the future and how everybody likes them so much. if they look grainy on big screens, whats the hype over them?
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14. March 2006 @ 06:31 |
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don't know what you're talking about ...... the next generation of media will be HD-DVD or Blu-ray! the others are just files and have been here for ages! And I never seen an XviD Player or DivXplayer stand alone! never seen them in stores! sorry!
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14. March 2006 @ 06:43 |
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What about the XviD player?
Can not answer that , Do not have one , and have not watched a movie on one either...
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what is the hype over these DivX and XviD movies
I believe DirecTV is going with a version , MPEG4 , I think.[.AVI is mpeg1, DVD is mpeg2]. Time will tell if they are correct. Beta was better than VHS. RDRAM , Rambus Ram was supposed to be the be all and end all of PC Ram. Right now its Hype, take your movies to BestBuy and try them out on a Big Screen. Come back and let us know..
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 06:49 |
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xvid is mpeg4
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14. March 2006 @ 06:50 |
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One more thing. DirecTV is going with XVID/DIVX or Mpeg4 for the compression. A DVD is 5GB`s, a Hi-Def Movie on Blu-Ray is 25 Gb`s.
DirecTV is not about to launch 5 times as many [MORE] satellites to handle the bandwidth when they switch to ALL HD service. So in order to get 25 pounds of sh*t into a 5 pound bag, they need a NEW format and HYPE. New Algorythms to compress with and " better Quality ". So what do you have and end up with is their version of DIVX or mpeg4.
They [XVID] may very well be the future if the companies do not want to launch new satellites or rip up and replace all the cable around the country....
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14. March 2006 @ 06:54 |
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does that mean my HD-Tivo already has mpg4 in it!!?
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14. March 2006 @ 07:06 |
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IHoe
You have TIVO with HD !!!! How ? Where ? I want it ...NOW !!!!
Tell me how, I`ve been anxiously waiting for a SERIES 3 Tivo???
Give it up or Die!!! lol ;]
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 07:14 |
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then i gues my XviD files wotn look bad at all on my big screen since directtv is going to use XviD?????
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14. March 2006 @ 07:15 |
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come on ..... directv had this for ages now! it's the HR10-250....... It records in HD up to 30hrs ....... up to 250 hour at regular format! pick your poison! LOL I love it!
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14. March 2006 @ 07:41 |
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IHoe
DirecTV is dropping / phasing out TIVO for their own Proprietory system that uses XVID. I do not know what will happen to the old TIVO units when the conversion is complete.. Or how they will support them.
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then i gues my XviD files wotn look bad at all on my big screen since directtv is going to use XviD?????
Maybe....It depends on the quality of the original Divx!
IHoe , I too love Tivo and Hi-Def. Unfortunately I have to use a sucko Motorola Comcast box to record and watch Hi-Def on my 62 inch DLP
3.4 Ghz 800 Mhz P4 / 800 Mhz Intel 915PBL Mobo / 2 GB`s DDR2 Ram / 2 @120 GB SATA 150 HD Raid 0 & a 200 GB SATA 150 HD /250GB Maxtor External Backup / NEC ND-3500AG/HP DVD-RW with Lightscribe/XP Pro SP2/128MB ATI PCI Express Video Card/ENERMAX EG465P 460W
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14. March 2006 @ 11:23 |
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all I can say is that I also have a Sony Ultimate TV that is just like Tivo... if Directv is phasing out Tivo..... it means it will still be covered for service but they won't be selling the receivers anymore! instead it will sell new stuff and service the old cause my old Ultimate TV receiver still works and still they charge for service!
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mikej3131
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14. March 2006 @ 11:59 |
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hey 72morgan, why is comcast sucko lol?
I have comcast hd
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15. March 2006 @ 08:05 |
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Got home from working 12 hrs , fell asleep in front of the Tv. Woke up and got online....
mikej3131 I have a Pioneer 810-HS, that has a dvd burner built in, that I bought before I went Hi-Def. It is sorta like a VCR on steroids with a 200 hr tape inside of it. I bought it specifically because it had Tivo Basic on it. I do not pay the $13.00 per month to use it.
Even with the scaled back Tivo service , Tivo is far superior to the Comcast box. How ???
1] Mechanically/Electonically the Pioneer/Tivo has worked flawlessly. I am on my 4th Comcast box and it still does not work properly.
2] When I turn on the Comcast Box, sometimes it does not come on until I go into the DVR to play a show, Cancel the DVR and go back to watching regular TV. Sometimes this does not even work so back it goes again. That is partly why I am up to 4 boxes in the 18 months I have had Hi-def.
3] The Tivo TV Guide has NEVER listed or recorded the wrong program. The Comcast Guide will say for example that I recorded Stargate, but some other program will be there. Or the Comcast TV Guide will correctly show that The Andy Griffith show is playing, but the episode that the guide lists is NOT the one that was recorded.
4] The Comcast Guide will only let you see whats on NOW and going forward. I can not check and see what was on a half hour ago.I do not buy or use the Freebie newspaper Tv Guides. I work midnites and when sometimes I come home and I think I might have forgotten to 'tape" something from the day before. Comcast won`t let me check. Tivo lets me go back 3 days to check it out.
5] The Comcast Tv guide description or Blurb is all you get, a short 2 or 3 sentence description of the show. With Tivo you get the same 2 or 3 sentence that has never been wrong. And then if you hit the INFO button. This is what you get:
Title / Of show
Episode Title
Description Of show / 2 or 3 sentence blurb
Rating / PG etc
Actors
Directors
Writer
Category / Sci-Fi
Color Mode / B&W , Color
Episode #
Original Air Date
Disk Usage / Episode is using 3% of disc
Similar Programs / If you liked this show , here are similar shows you might like
6] Tivo will let you adjust the quality of the recording like on a VCR. SP, EP, ELP , Record in 2 , 4 or 6 hr lowest quality. This increases the capacity of the hard drive and the amount of shows you can "tape". Comcast does not allow this.
The reason you have a DVR or Tivo is because you enjoy watching TV. Tivo makes it enjoyable, Comcast sucks!! And Comcast knows it. Comcast has made a deal to rent Tivo boxes or to incorporate their software. I already told my local Comcast office I want the first one that is available.
So I repeat myself : Even with the scaled back Tivo service , Tivo is far superior to the Comcast box. I want a new Sries 3 Tivo or I will settle for the Tivo/Comcast hybrid that is due out sometime this year.
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15. March 2006 @ 08:35 |
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mikej3131 One more item or reason why Comcast SUCKS !!
I have never used or wanted a cable box, I always bought cable ready TV`s. So when I went out and bought my new 62 inch Misubishi DLP, I made sure it had a Cablecard slot so I would not have to rent a cable box from Comcast. In effect I bought a Digital/HD Cable Ready TV. So guess what happened??? The Cablecard from Comcast does not work with my TV, as soon as I or the Comcast Techs put it in, my TV locks up. So in order to watch HD on my Hi-Def set I have to rent a cable box from Comcast because their Cable card does NOT work, Am I surprised? No! Not only does it suck, it costs me extra money and it sucks. I would got to DirecTV , but they are dumping Tivo. So I wait [impatiently]for the Series 3 Tivo.....
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mikej3131
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15. March 2006 @ 10:36 |
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Wow good info. Since im an amature, alot of things i didnt fully understand.
ok wwhat is a pioneer 810-hs. is it like a comcast digital cable box? or is it a dvd burner? how does it have tivo on it? isnt tivo a cable service or no? what is scaled black tivo service? Sorry but i never heard of this tivo stuff.
how can tivo and comcast come together. is tivo just a cable box manufacturer like motorola?
Also i am paying $10 a month for the comcast box. will i ever be able to own the box and stop paying monthly?
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15. March 2006 @ 11:25 |
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ok wwhat is a pioneer 810-hs
:http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4139...
is it like a comcast digital cable box?
No. A comcast digital cable box descrambles and converts the Digital signal so it can play on an Analog TV set. This is a VCR on roids, it copies programs to disc/hard drive and can burn them to dvd disc. It can also play movies.
or is it a dvd burner?
Yes
how does it have tivo on it?
Pioneer has paid upfront for a limited or BASIC version to be included. So you do not have to pay the $13.00 per month or $300 once for a lifetime subscription.
isnt tivo a cable service or no?
No
what is scaled black tivo service?
It`s scaled back or TIVO Basic. Basic does not give you Season Pass or a lot of other goodies
is tivo just a cable box manufacturer like motorola?
They produce a box like Motorola. No I take that back. Tivo makes a box that comes with the TIVO software. Motorola makes a cheap imitation or knock off of Tivo . TIVO is starting to become a generic term. To be able to TIVO something is not the same when it`s done with a Motorola DVR [ Digital Video recorder].
Also i am paying $10 a month for the comcast box. will i ever be able to own the box and stop paying monthly?
No. It`s a rental fee for the box and the cable channels you recieve. Cancel the service and return the box.
Some TV basic info and background.
There are currently 3 TV signals or formats.
Analog. Digital Cable. and HD or Hi-Def.
Analog is the original since the invention of TV since the 1940`s and 50`s. In apprx 3 years this signal will be gone. The US Congress
has passed a law. So in effect any TV that does not need a cable box, because it is "cable ready" or uses an antenna will no longer work. You will now need a cable box to convert down the digital signal to analog.
So in 3 years time the only signal that will be available will be Digtal cable and HD from the Cable companies. And HD will be the only over the air signal. You will have to buy a HD antenna to pick up the HD signal.
My Pioneer 810 is an analog unit. That is why I have the comcast box, too. It can record the Digital Cable and HD signal from Comcast that the Pioneer can not.
That is also why I want the NEW TIVO series 3. It has 6 tuners installed , it can record at one time any 2 channels. 2 Analog or 2 Digital or 2 Hd or any other combination.
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mikej3131
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15. March 2006 @ 11:49 |
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i meant a comcast dvr box with hd. thats what i have. so that pioneer is basically the same as my box but its also a dvd player and dvd recorder?
Also you said comcast descrambles and converts to anolog. are all my shows that i recorded on my comcast motorolla dvr anolog, and not digital because it descrambled it. I have an anolog tv.
i looked at that pioneer site and it said
"It?s fast and easy, and the content remains in a digital state throughout, so the quality level is very high."
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"My Pioneer 810 is an analog unit. That is why I have the comcast box, too. It can record the Digital Cable and HD signal from Comcast that the Pioneer can not. "
I am confused?
Is the pioneer only anaolog but the comcast dvr is digital but if you have a anaolog tv the comcast dvr convers to anaolog
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To be able to TIVO something is not the same when it`s done with a Motorola DVR [ Digital Video recorder].
Y is that?
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has passed a law. So in effect any TV that does not need a cable box, because it is "cable ready" or uses an antenna will no longer work. You will now need a cable box to convert down the digital signal to analog.
You meant any *analog tv right?
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That is also why I want the NEW TIVO series 3. It has 6 tuners installed , it can record at one time any 2 channels. 2 Analog or 2 Digital or 2 Hd or any other combination.
im assuming you can use this with the comcast cable company right? and whats a tuner
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Pioneer has paid upfront for a limited or BASIC version to be included. So you do not have to pay the $13.00 per month or $300 once for a lifetime subscription.
versions as in the version of the tivo software?
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It`s scaled back or TIVO Basic. Basic does not give you Season Pass or a lot of other goodies
Whats this season pass?
And ust to clear things up. Tivo is just a dvr box you can use with diferent cable companies, tivo is not a cable company right?
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No. It`s a rental fee for the box and the cable channels you recieve. Cancel the service and return the box.
so if i stop paying monthly i will have to return the box? so is there anyway to get my 70 gigs of video i have on it now. like transfer it to something?
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15. March 2006 @ 12:23 |
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I meant a comcast dvr box with hd. thats what i have. so that pioneer is basically the same as my box but its also a dvd player and dvd recorder? Not the same!! It handles the signal after the Comcast box
Also you said comcast descrambles and convertsYES to anologI do not know. are all my shows that i recorded on my comcast motorolla dvr anologI do not know, and not digital because it descrambled it. I have an anolog tv.
i looked at that pioneer site and it said
"It?s fast and easy, and the content remains in a digital state throughout, so the quality level is very high."
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"My Pioneer 810 is an analog unit. That is why I have the comcast box, too. It can record the Digital Cable and HD signal from Comcast that the Pioneer can not. "
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I am confused?
Is the pioneer only anaolog but the comcast dvr is digital but if you have a anaolog tv the comcast dvr convers to anaolog I am not sure of the technical aspects, bottom line the Pioneer will NOT record Digtal or HD Cable channels.
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To be able to TIVO something is not the same when it`s done with a Motorola DVR [ Digital Video recorder].
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Y is that? Coca-Cola ,Pesi-Cola, RC Cola,Go to a restaurant and ask for a Coke, a lot of people would GAG lol if they got a Pepsi.Soda is soda, a cola is a cola. Whats the difference???.
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has passed a law. So in effect any TV that does not need a cable box, because it is "cable ready" or uses an antenna will no longer work. You will now need a cable box to convert down the digital signal to analog.
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You meant any *analog tv right? YES.
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That is also why I want the NEW TIVO series 3. It has 6 tuners installed , it can record at one time any 2 channels. 2 Analog or 2 Digital or 2 Hd or any other combination.
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im assuming you can use this with the comcast cable company right? YES. and whats a tuner Its what changes the channel, its a converter in it`s own right.
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Pioneer has paid upfront for a limited or BASIC version to be included. So you do not have to pay the $13.00 per month or $300 once for a lifetime subscription.
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It`s scaled back or TIVO Basic. Basic does not give you Season Pass or a lot of other goodies
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Whats this season pass? A season pass will record every episode of the show you pick , no matter when its on.
And ust to clear things up. Tivo is just a dvr box you can use with diferent cable companies, tivo is not a cable company right? Correct.
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No. It`s a rental fee for the box and the cable channels you recieve. Cancel the service and return the box.
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so if i stop paying monthly i will have to return the box? so is there anyway to get my 70 gigs of video i have on it now. like transfer it to something? I do not know.
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mikej3131
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15. March 2006 @ 12:34 |
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oh cool i just found a forum that shows directions on how to transfer video from the motorola dvr to a pc.
About that tivo. Will i have to pay monthly and rent it if im using comcast cable. or can i go buy and own one of those tivos?
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