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15. March 2006 @ 20:47 |
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I'm starting this thread because LCDs always were a poor cousin to the CRT. I can't say that is true anymore! I just bought a Sceptre Naga III 20.1" widescreen. It runs at 1680x1050 and is amazing to see! Programs in other resolutions run with no stretching, just white borders on each side of a normal screen. I've watched (in order) Jurasic Park, Spy Kids 3 2D, The Moody Blues Live at Red Rocks Arena and the 1939 Robin Hood. I chose that one because it's in Technicolor which is a black and white process.
Jurasic Park was outstanding! Spy Kids 3 2D was the "Crown Jewell" It was a TRIP!!! The 3-D effects are unreal and without the penalty of glasses. Colors are like nothing I've ever seen before! At least not to the color level and color depth this Naga III puts on the screen. As intense as the colors were there was no bleeding and the picture was crisp and sharp. There's a scene where a hourse runs through water and you can see a rainbow from the spray it kicks up. Robin Hood was pretty amazing for being 60+ years old.
It has a a couple of minor anoyances as well. The indicators under the function switches are useless. They are carved out from the black below the controls. They are pretty hard to see, even with a flashlight! You have to be double jointed, knock-kneed and pidgeon-toed to get the power plug in with the monitor sitting on the desk. Oh Yea! Throw away the manual. It's almost useless! I would generously call it "Clear as Mud!"! The Monitor???
Buy one!!!!! I promise you that it will be one of the best purchases you will ever make. You will not be disappointed!
Very Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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15. March 2006 @ 21:20 |
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I plan on getting Gateways 21" HD panel here soon. CRT's have pretty much gone away. Ive seen very few CRT's at computer or electronic stores. Flat panels have come along way.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out, beacause I dont want ass prints on my new door!
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16. March 2006 @ 04:23 |
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AE27,
Take a good look at the Sceptre Naga III X20 widescreen. It gives you the best of both worlds. Effectively it gives you widescreen as well as any other resolution that the programing calls for without stretching. I live in California so I have to pay sales tax. Newegg has a $30 mail in rebate so the overall price is around $400. We have Viewsonic 19" flatscreens at my work and this one is so much better. Check it out at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112176
Happy Computering.
theonejrs
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16. March 2006 @ 18:57 |
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theonejrs
did you try the dvi hook up? and is it better.?
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16. March 2006 @ 19:03 |
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theonejrs
What setting on antiliazing do you use and do yuou use high quality or high performance setting?
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16. March 2006 @ 20:24 |
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baltekmi,
No I haven't tried the DVI. My 5200 8x AGP card doesn't have it. The PCI 5200 version I have does. It can wait for my next build.
I leave antialiasing to software control and my quality settings to a good mix of quality and performance. So far it works just fine. The quality of the picture at 1680x1050 has to be seen to be believed. It's a great $800 monitor for only $400 bucks!
Another small complaint! When running 1680x1050 some of my colors changed to pastels. It may be my Fx5200 video card though. This computer is schedualed for either an 800XL Ati or an FX7800GS AGP 8x video card. I'll find out then!
Happy Computering,
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16. March 2006 @ 21:47 |
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yea I was wondering why I could only get 1280x1024.. that is the max for my lcd monitor. So my bfg ultra is limited to that. But the specs are way higher. I need another monitor to use the full use of my graphics card.
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16. March 2006 @ 21:50 |
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so now we are in another thread, tell me this. You are running a 3.0 prescott w/zalman cooler.oc'd to 3.6. what are your temps.?
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16. March 2006 @ 22:19 |
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baltekmi,
I used to hit as high as 68C at 3.50 while encoding, now it only gets to 58C at 3.60. Normal idle temp is 47C. The Zalman 9500 is what allowed me to run at 3.60 and lower the temps in the process 10 to 15 degrees. When I build my AMD Dual-Core, I'll put the Zalman in it. De-Tune the Intel to 3.30 with the stock Intel cooler. Add a new AGP 8x video card and it will become my new Entertainment Center and backup computer. It should fit the new case as it's the same as I have now. I'm looking forward to the silence!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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16. March 2006 @ 22:53 |
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theonejrs ,i love my LCD also(per my sig) mine goes 1600x1200 res. and the picture is life like watching a movie or gaming
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17. March 2006 @ 08:07 |
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I like the Viewsonic G90 CRT I have, partly because it will display 2048x1536 and was quite cheap. However, while it's great for gaming at any resolution, Word processing is not all that clear at any resolution above 1600x1200, because those are only 60Hz, 1600x1200 gives you 75. I do however use 2048 on occasions when I like to see lots on the screen at a time. Generally for £170 two years ago ($297) I think it's a great purchase, if bulky. I'll eventually get a VP201B or similar, when I have the money.
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17. March 2006 @ 08:43 |
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sammorris ,you will love the VP201b ,its rated one of the best LCDs on the market and i think there may be an updated model that runs 8ms mines 16ms but there no problems gaming with it at all
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17. March 2006 @ 09:18 |
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Yeah trouble is I won't be able to afford it for a good few months yet. Still at least that gets me the 8ms model instead.
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17. March 2006 @ 09:53 |
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mine was about 725.00 when i bought mine
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17. March 2006 @ 09:57 |
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Yeah, since I'm buying a new PC in the summer and going to university, that money just isn't around.
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17. March 2006 @ 21:31 |
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Another small complaint! When running 1680x1050 some of my colors changed to pastels. It may be my Fx5200 video card though. This computer is schedualed for either an 800XL Ati or an FX7800GS AGP 8x video card. I'll find out then!
Yes it is the vidio card. I have had the 5200 and the 5700le and I had the same problems with certain parts of my vidio
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18. March 2006 @ 00:14 |
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Generally the image quality of FX series (5) GPUs wasn't the greatest, and I believe the problems may have hit all the way up to the 5900 series, possibly even the 5950.
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18. March 2006 @ 20:53 |
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theonejrs, i have that problem with my bfg 6800 ultra. If i try to playback a ts file fron dvd clone 2, it is like that. But windows media player 10 playes it back correctly.
Also what are the inportant things to look for in buying a new monitor. I want to go dvi, but what other critical thing i need to look for?
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18. March 2006 @ 21:07 |
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respone time is important 16ms or below (for gaming)
res. i like 1600x1200 so thats up to you
good brands Veiw Sonic are some of the best on the market ,some of there LCDs are down to 2ms
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18. March 2006 @ 23:37 |
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The VX922 is pretty much the best performing screen on the market at 2ms, but that's 19" and 1280x1024. Another Good option is the VP201B at 20.1" and 1600x1200, I think that's 8ms.
In general, avoid anything above 12ms, and ensure a contrast ratio of at least 600:1. Also avoid cheap brands, the picture quality is NEVER as good as a properly made monitor.
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19. March 2006 @ 09:12 |
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sammorris, the VP201b 20.1 is 16ms(which i have)but i think they may have a newer model out thats 8ms ,iam not sure
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19. March 2006 @ 13:06 |
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I'm sure I've seen an 8ms variant around somewhere. I prefer resolutions 1600x1200 or above, anything else and I'm wanting a better picture. Trouble is, with an LCD you're too limited, and if you use a 1600x1200 LCD, to game at proper quality, you need to have a very poweful GPU indeed. I'll have one come summer, but it won't be long before that isn't enough any more either. It's all very well saying that the graphics card war has got out of hand, but in a way it's good, because the badness of computer game design is also out of control. In numerous games you see no better image quality for half the frame rate of older games, no wonder GPUs keep needing to get better, we're seeing 35fps with an X1900XT-X Crossfire array in Black & White 2 if you turn the settings up, and that's 1024x768!
Ludicrous. Game design is going to have to settle for
image quality as it is now and focus on physics while GPUs keep up. I'm not eveb confident the GeForce 8800 or Radeon X2800 due out this autumn will play B&W2 or AOE3 smoothly at top settings.
Bring on PhysX!
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1. April 2006 @ 11:54 |
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sammorris,
I honestly think that the video game designers deliberately make the games almost impossible to run properly to force the video card makers to come up with new, better and more expensive video cards. I think they are in cahoots with each other since the game makers know well in advance what's coming. Let's face it, you don't need an $800 video card to watch DVDs or do word processing and spreadsheets. My lowly FX5200 is magnificent with my Septre for watching DVDs. We have the top of the line Viewsonics at my work and they give me eyestrain and occasional headaches. This one, I spend hours on line with everyday and I never have any problems with my eyes! And that's at 1680x1040!
Quality is a wonderful thing.
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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1. April 2006 @ 12:03 |
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Yet I'm totally at ease with a ridiculously high resolution Viewsonic CRT. The CRTS aren't the best quality in the world (I know what they look like inside, and I've had one replaced) but to be honest there's no monitor I'd rather have than this with the funds I have.
By the sounds of it I'd love one of those Sceptre monitors but I'd want a 4:3 aspect one, not widescreen.
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1. April 2006 @ 19:48 |
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smmmorris,
That's one of the beauties of this monitor. No matter what you run it's always the right aspect ratio. How it does it, I haven't got a clue. Right now it's widescreen but the "content" is 4:3. When you run software, it's always the correct size. If I run word for instance, the working content looks no different than it does on a regular monitor. If you switch to screen view, it just shows a black border on each side. 4:3 videos look the same as they do an a 19" monitor. The only thing that stretches is the desktop graphic and even that looks good. Of course mine is an Alien Landscape, so who would notice. It does stretch the bios screen where you can't quite see some of the extreme left. It cuts off a few letters. No big! I keep meaning to try the Pinball in XP but I always forget to do it. Should be a trip! By the way, our office monitors are Viewsonic LEDs not CRTs. I should have explained that. I noticed that most of their LED monitors do not list a pixel pitch. On one that did it was .294. This one is .255 Maybe that's why the Viewsonics hurt my eyes and this one doesn't! At work, we have both 16ms and the newer 8ms models but I don't see any noticeable difference between the two. It's interesting that our design engineer is the only one who uses a CRT. I took mine into work and hooked it up to the "Autocad" machine. He tried it out and now he wants one
One bonus I discovered by reading the manual is that if you connect the DVI to an HD TV signal box, the screen will display HDTV. That bodes well for my future intended use for my Intel as an Entertainment center. Youhave a good evening and,
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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