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So i'm about to get a 360...BUT
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KyKy91
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10. May 2006 @ 09:49 |
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So i'm about to get a 360...BUT is it worth getting a 360 if i dont have a HD TV. And can you tell that the graphics are alot better on a HD TV?
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10. May 2006 @ 12:21 |
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When using a HDTV (compared to a standard tv) with the Xbox 360 you can tell quite a diffrence in the sharpnes and clearness of the picture. So the answer is yes graphics look better on an HDTV (compared to standard tv).
BUT....I speak from experince, that the xbox 360 and a standard tv look good too. So if you want to play any of the next gen. games get a 360.
I BOUGHT ONE AND I LIKE IT ALOT EVEN IF I CHOOSE TO USE IT ON A STANDARD DEF. TV
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Ben2006
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11. May 2006 @ 05:38 |
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even if you dont have a hd it still looks good on a standard tv.
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11. May 2006 @ 07:27 |
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Yeah, more polygons and better textures simply has to look better on even SD; but if at all possible, play in 720p HD.
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11. May 2006 @ 19:42 |
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anyone have two different pics ?? comparing HD vs non HD
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12. May 2006 @ 11:10 |
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I actually think 1080i is better than 720p myself...but thats just me
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12. May 2006 @ 16:35 |
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1080i is a SHARPER picture, which some do prefer, but most people prefer the 720p, as progressive scan mode does give a more real picture, that has a more fluid, lifelike appearance.
I'll quickly explain the differences between the two.
Standard Definition Tv's are a res. of 480i. This means that a total of 480 lines are represented on the screen. However, because it is 'i'(Interlaced) half of them are actually blank, the entire time. On some televisions, you can actually tell when you stand close, that there are black lines through the image, this is the interlacing effect. It's not a bad thing, it makes the image appear bigger and a little better in some cases.
Progressive resolutions (Anything with a 'p' after them do not have scanlines. This is not a definingly noticable difference to the naked eye, unless you have a HUGE tv, or are very close. It makes the image appear more vivid from a distance, many people describe it as being more 'clear' or 'crisp' because of the extra lines which provide an overall more solid image.
So; while interlaced(i) images do provide the appearance of a higher resolution, they are actually rendering a little less. A 720p image generally requires more processing power than a 1080i image because of this. However, some individuals do prefer the 1080i image. When 1080p eventually becomes standard, I'm sure that will be even better for the masses. For now, it does apply an interesting twist to many people's preferences.
Hopefully that helps someone out.
"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 12. May 2006 @ 16:35
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13. May 2006 @ 00:14 |
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well i have both cables the s-video and the high def cable for hd tv adn let me tell you from what i have learned yes the hd cable is worth it but no you really wont notice a big differrence in graphics quality
i have a 15 inch magnavox lcd tv and i cant even tell the diffrence from the hd cable and the s-video or even the regular cable
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16. May 2006 @ 15:01 |
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Well; not to be mean or anything, because that is absolutely NOT my purpose... I'd like to re-analyze that last post:
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i have a 15 inch magnavox lcd tv and i cant even tell the diffrence
You have a 15" tv. You almost can't tell the difference between the 360 and the Nintendo 64. That screen is quite unusually small, and there isn't any room for the difference to show up. I say with complete honesty, and no cruelty, that on a 15" screen, the difference between Coaxial and HDTV is probably barely noticable from more than a couple feet away. To be safe here, most HDTV's are at LEAST 27" and higher. Mine is a 42" and is considered to be 'small' but you can see the differences clearly. I would assume that if your television set isn't at LEAST 32-36" you don't have the screen space to display the difference very clearly.
Again, there is no harm or aggrivation meant in this post; I simply wish to clarify that larger screens show a much more noticable difference. A 15" lcd tv sounds more like someone using a cheap PC monitor to me... If that were the case, true HD resolutions may not even be supported...
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16. May 2006 @ 22:52 |
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i have also a samsung hd tv and a sony hd tv and i hate to tell you you cannot tell the differrence
not at all
this is mainly do to the fact the xbox 360 has a great graphics card to begin with
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17. May 2006 @ 03:56 |
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@johnodd
Are you sure you can't tell the difference b/w:
(1) 480i standard def thru s-video and
(2) 1080i or 720p high def thru component?
Have you tried other sources such as HDTV from satellite or cable? Maybe your displays need some adjusting or calibrating?
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17. May 2006 @ 04:15 |
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i see a massive difference
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20. May 2006 @ 20:32 |
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I definantly see a difference even when on a standard definition t.v.
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24. May 2006 @ 19:14 |
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@johnodd4
Judging from the responses listed here; there are a few things that could apply to your lack of definition discrepency:
-You have bad equipment
-You do not have the later mentioned equipment, and are in fact full of it
-You are using the wrong kind of cables on your high def equipment
-You haven't actually set your equipment(Either the television or the 360 for high def output)
-You sorely need glasses
High def is high def, whether the graphics card is good or not. The sheer fact that such a higher resolution image is being displayed does not change based upon this. An XBox's 720p image is just as sharp as a 360's. And a PS2 playing gran turismo 4 at 1080i is just as sharp as a 360 playing Project Gotham 3 at 1080i. The fact that one's video card or other hardware is nicer has nothing to do with the RESOLUTION or sharpness of the picture. True, a lot of OTHER factors have more to do with the overall appearance. But if you can't tell the difference between a 480i static image, and a 720p high def one; one of the above mentioned definitely applies. There is no other excuse, and no other explanation. The difference is very visible, is highly noticable from a moderate difference(Again, depending on your screen size) and is definitely largely better.
IMO; I'm selecting option two for YOUR case; because quite frankly if you had a nicer/larger/better television set to play on, you would have mentioned that initially. If I had a ford pinto and a 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 Bumblebee Edition; it goes without saying that when I mention "My ride" it sure as heck isn't going to be the rusted out pinto. Nobody brings their low end equipment to the table for the sake of a tech argument. I will call it right now, and say that you don't have any nicer equipment than what you mentioned earlier. If you did; it would have been your first argument, as it would have actually counted for something; not to mention that any individual who does actually HAVE this equipment with high def at decent screen sizes does not argue this point. There is no argument.
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this is mainly do to the fact the xbox 360 has a great graphics card to begin with
Nice try saving face. The hardware under the hood of the 360, or any other console supporting high def has nothing to do with the matter you are arguing here.
High def is hugely better, it is 100% noticable, and a 'great graphics card' will never change the fact that a higher definition image looks leaps and bounds better than a standard 480i.
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24. May 2006 @ 19:18 |
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yes the 360 looks fine with a reg. tv of course it would look better with HD but anyway u shouldnt worry about it go ahead and buy one
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24. May 2006 @ 19:56 |
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You can get a decent HDTV for about the same price as the 360. I know they aren't 50" DLPs, but I got my 30" Widescreen HDTV at Wal-Mart for like $400. It doesn't do 720p but it does 1080i just fine.
So just buy the 360 and then save again and buy the TV.
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25. May 2006 @ 05:25 |
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get a tv first i play on a standerd tv games look like crap but on 720 they look alot better.
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25. May 2006 @ 07:07 |
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Great point guys; the system supports, but doesn't REQUIRE HD; even on a regular tv, the strongly updated graphics and silky smooth framerate are worth the investment, and it just means that when you get a nicer picture tube down the road; you have something that will utilize it.
This phase of consoles isn't trying to force you over by any means. They are trying to give high end users another reason to want their hardware.
You can definitely tell the HD difference on the games; but that doesn't mean that 480i isn't good. The only difference is that there is a larger number of pixels on hd screens. Making a crisper image. Regular tvs are lower resolution, the interlacing helps somewhat to make that not seem as bad, and the 'blurry' effect seen on most non-hd CRTs tends to make it less irritating. So, realistically it's going to look like the same RESOLUTION as you're old systems, you're just going to see higher quality effects, textures, lighting, and more polygons in the models and the worlds. So; you'll see the 360 game difference on a regular tv; just not in high def. But that was true with some titles on the XBox, although I appreciated the titles that DID cover higher resolutions. A lot.
Anyways; I hope all this clears things up for those who are putting off a 360, or any other next-gen for the reason of television equipment.
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26. May 2006 @ 06:06 |
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I dont think johnodd4 ever said he was using a high def lcd screen.....he just said he was using a 15" lcd screen (i assume non hd)
So he wouldnt be able to tell any diffrenc
I have a toshiba 30" widescreen HDTV and the diffrence between picture qualitys with the xbox 360 compared to a standard def are huge
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26. May 2006 @ 06:15 |
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but johnodd4 also said:
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i have also a samsung hd tv and a sony hd tv and i hate to tell you you cannot tell the differrence
not at all
handsom brought up some very valid points.
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26. May 2006 @ 12:44 |
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If I come across as harsh, please understand that is not my intent. I simply saw something ignorant being posted; and I sought to correct it immediately. Why? Because I've worked in retail, and one of the biggest things that I've learned is IGNORANCE IS CONTAGIOUS.
It's not a bash, or a strike against anyone, it is simply the nature of ignorance, people fill it in with whatever sounds good, and then pass it on; and it's wrong. Then when the actual fact comes around, half the people who've heard the lie don't believe it. It really bugs me. So yeah, bit of a pet peeve. I just hope that I was able to adequately explain what the difference is, and how you can tell. Again, I'm not here to step on anyone's toes, I simply come out and describe the facts.
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27. May 2006 @ 19:49 |
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im not talkin down to any1 either....the olny reason i made that comment is cause im bored and am just killing time :)
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27. May 2006 @ 19:58 |
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No; that's actually the reason that any of us are here to begin with. lol.
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28. May 2006 @ 21:31 |
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yep handsom is right . ;P hey did johnodd4 flip the switch on the hd mode ??? lol , and also changed his options from non hd 480 to 720 or 1080i? it could be that simple .... and i have a 38'' widescreen 16x9 1080i rca and i first pluged the reg red white yellow and it was simply AMAZING... then i put componet and it was even more crazzier then i pay attention to a switch and im like what the? and i flip it and OMG im in heven sorta like that expression lol ... and then went to seetintgs and even more results after i swtich from 480 to 1080 i....
tryed 720 but didnt have it so 1080 was the only way to go. btw i belive ppl say 720 is better because it refreshes the lines faster then the 1080i which for in this case 720 make the game better if it reacts faster...
so srry but 1080p is not gonna be an option for 360 .. acording to everyting ... 1080p would soo owen .... oh and the noticable diffrense beteen 720 and 1080 is that 1080 details and alot more brightness of res a bit more while 720 has more detail on the texture but the higher brightness is not avabile on it ...
the way i compared it? go to halo 2 mutiplayer zanibar and go to where the sniper is by the exploding barrows...loo towards fromt of you and you will see a diffrense.. despite of reseting console n so forth....
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Biablo
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29. May 2006 @ 05:29 |
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I am going to buy an X360 too, and sadly i don`t own an HDTV as well, i was woundering, the one who own an HDTV, can you guys tell the Models you have, i have a budget limit and my big screen fantasy won`t come true, in the near future. a 30 inch screen sound nice.
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