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17. May 2008 @ 12:43 |
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i had the P35c-DS3R
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17. May 2008 @ 12:49 |
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What was bad about it? As you know my board was faultless.
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17. May 2008 @ 12:55 |
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two DOAs and 3rd one wouldnt finish ANY OS install (98/xp/vista) before crashing half way through, where as on the same HDD and cable the p5k-e worked w.o a glitch.
thats the reason i dont like GB. its a good chipset, so this could be blamed on the board / bad luck, but with first time asus being good then.... my mind was made up
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17. May 2008 @ 12:57 |
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Exactly the same experience for me with Asus. Difference is though, sometimes companies have dodgy batches of a product. I tried three entirely different products. I was also considering trying out an MSI board.
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17. May 2008 @ 12:57 |
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I don't want to get into all this again but one reason I stick up for asus is because there are so many pro gigabyte ppl here and asus mobos have performed stellar for me and ppl I know personally.
gigabyte does build quality mobos. its just that their bios's are lacking. unless a person has used an upper end asus, they just don't know what they are missing. asus bios's are so much more user friendly. it's not just the extra features but the choices of settings and way you set them. If a person can afford an upper end asus mobo (intel chipset), they will be pleasantly suprised when they enter the bios.
I guess instead of saying I prefer asus mobo's over gigabyte mobo's, I should say I prefer asus bios's over gigabytes bios's. it's not that gigabyte mobo's won't OC as well as asus mobo's it's just easier with an asus mobo because of the way their bios is layed out. I have been spoiled and can't revert back now. is that a fair assesment?
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17. May 2008 @ 13:01 |
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Were too hardcore to go for the pussy user friendly Asus BIOS! lol I'm joking.
Honestly it comes down to cost. The lower-end gigabyte motherboards are priced low and they perform very well. My next motherboard (for my self, not for selling) is going to be an Asus. I really like Gigabyte, but I just want to try it out.
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17. May 2008 @ 13:02 |
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It's a fair assessment that Asus treat overclocking a little more seriously. More user friendly? I'm not sure. Personally I think being able to pull vast overclocks off with three simple settings is about as user-friendly as it gets, but yet I know what you mean. There's something about the Asus BIOSes I used that I preferred to the Gigabyte one, and yet I can't put my finger on it.
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17. May 2008 @ 13:04 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I was also considering trying out an MSI board.
i couldn't be happier with my MSI P35 Platinum. 100% stable, and all's perfect for my use, i'm a set-and-forget type of guy (unlike nearly all of you here), once something's built or installed, if it doesn't work it's messed with until it does, once it works it just becomes a tool for getting things done. :)
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17. May 2008 @ 13:07 |
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Did you overclock it?
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17. May 2008 @ 13:09 |
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Nope, no need; i did consider o/clocking when i was specc'ing out the build, but am happy enough with the performance
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17. May 2008 @ 13:12 |
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when i was in the GB bios, it had nothing compared to the asus BIOS.
there were alot of Voltage options that wernt there, and the sleection for NB was between 4. auto, 1.25 1.4 and 1.55
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17. May 2008 @ 13:15 |
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creaky, see most of us need motherboards that overclock. Sure some of us don't use highend Asus motherboards but still our boards can OC very well. That is a big consideration when buying a motherboard. So it may run very stable at stock settings, but if it can't OC it's worthless.
Although I remember reading somewhere that is overclocks pretty good, so I guess it's a moot point.
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17. May 2008 @ 13:21 |
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Indeed. I just don't have a need to overclock as my machine isn't lacking, ie it can run DVD-RB alongside ConvertXtoDVD and DVD Flick and i can still use the PC for burning/other duties at the same time. Plus i lost interest in PC gaming a few years ago so i don't need to play the 'upgrade frequently' game.
i just find it amusing reading all the posts while lurking :)
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17. May 2008 @ 13:39 |
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I'm not your typical overclocker, I leave all the voltages at auto, always, or at least I can now. I'm very aware the Asus boards provide more options in that department though, but creaky-style I've left my overclock alone since I got it working. It works at 3.15Ghz first time, every time.
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17. May 2008 @ 13:53 |
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I was astonished by all the ram freq choices of my rampage formula due to your choice of 4 different fsb straps (200, 266, 333, and 400). all but the 200 fsb strap gives you 3 different ram frequency choices. the 200 fsb strap gives you 2 choices. all are dependant to the cpu freq and change instantly as you increase or decrease the cpu freq. that's 11 different choices for memory freq alone. no memory multpliers/dividers to mess with.
my P5W DH is the same way but no choice of fsb strap. all the memory freq choices are under the memory freq header. again, no memory multipliers/dividers to mess with.
my cpu vcore increases by increments of .00625v from 1.10000 to 2.40000. too many choices to count.
my NB voltage increases by increments of .02v from 1.25 to 1.85. too many choices to count.
my DRAM voltage increases by increments of .02v from 1.80 to 3.40. too many choices to count.
my SB voltage increases by increments of .025v from 1.050 to 1.225. too many choices to count.
my FSBT voltage increases in increments of .02 from 1.20 to 2.0. too many choices to count.
I'm not going to get into CPU PLL voltage choices, SB 1.5 voltage choices, CPU GTL voltage referance choices, NB GTL voltage referance choices, DRAM controller voltage referance choices, DRAM channel A voltage reference choices or DRAM channel B voltage referance choices. there is also an auto setting for all of these as well.
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17. May 2008 @ 13:58 |
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I think you get a bit over a dozen memory choices with the higher end Gigabyte boards, 2.00 for three straps and 2.4, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 i think for four straps. I think it's just one of each for the p35 boards. As far as I'm concerned if that means no black holes, so be it!
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17. May 2008 @ 14:04 |
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again, dividers. why can't they just give you frequency choices?
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17. May 2008 @ 14:16 |
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I read somewhere that it was those that gave you frequency black holes because the calculations couldn't be exact. Is there any truth in that?
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17. May 2008 @ 14:40 |
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I've never had any problems with black holes. with all my memory frequency choices I never had the need to overclock or underclock my memory more than 5mhz while OC'ing on this mobo. I've never had a reboot due to a memory problem.
I did have a couple reboots while OC'ing but it wasn't due to the memory. not enough vcore once, then not enough NB voltage. none were bad enough that I had to reset the CMOS.
my mobo overvolted the NB and SB voltage quite a bit on auto and I was tring to lower them manually. my NB voltage now is lower than it was on auto. it's 1.55v now and it was 1.602v on auto. I left the SB voltage on auto and upped the FSBT voltage just a hair for stability reasons.
it boots 1st time everytime now at 4.0ghz. memory at 1068mhz and 5-5-5-15.
edit: ghz instead of gb
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17. May 2008 @ 17:11 |
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sammorris,
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nvidia chipsets are ass, I think we're all agreed on that one. Should we blame Asus for this fact? No, not really. What doesn't help though, is that if you did make the mistake and want to take it back, the manufacturer's warranty is all but useless. Worse still if you bought it from somewhere like OcUK or MicroDirect who can't be arsed with warranties.
If you had to be foolish and get an nvidia chipset, I'd say go with an XFX board using a 7 series chipset - those seem to be less prone to issues - EVGA's track record just doesn't seem that good lately. The highest rated 780i board on newegg is an EVGA, but then the highest rated motherboard of all is the P5N-E SLI. I lol'ed!
No we shouldn't blame any manufacturer for the chipset being lousy, but we should rightly so blame them when the release a product that's not ready for release as is the case with the Striker Extreme II! It would cost me a whopping $491.62 with tax and shipping to buy a product the manufacturer knows isn't close to right yet! Sure, it has all the bells and whistles and all those fine adjustments, but what good are they if they don't work or crash the machine when you try to use any of them?
As far as the P5N-E SLI being the highest rated motherboard, whoever's saying that needs to get off the drugs! Both the DS3L and the higher priced DS3R outsold it by more than 2 to 1, and they came out well after the P5N-E! Everywhere I look, the P5N-E's ratings suck! How come very few P5N-Es ever equaled the performance that both Tom's Hardware and Anandtech blew us all away with when they first tested them? Those "chosen" few that actually got high overclocks were all the oldest boards from the first series produced. Why? Having spent most of my life involved with Consumer, Medical and Dental electronics and dealing with electronics manufacturers all over the world, the answer is simply "Cost"! I've looked over the original that was bought when it first came out thanks to a Dentist in Rialto I know who has one and there's more components on the older MB and the quality is better compared to the later revisions. An educated guess is that someone got the sums wrong on the cost projections and it wound up costing too much to manufacture for the price they were selling it for, to show a profit. Asus would have been a lot smarter if they had just raised the price for the MB and stuck with the original specs! Instead they chose to "cheapen" all the good out of it thereby alienating hundreds of end users!
The present P5N-E is still a piece of junk today! Still has horrible memory problems and doesn't overclock worth a flip! It's like Dejavu reading the reviews. Here we are 14 months down the road from when I had all my P5N-E problems and the complaints are still the same! Memory issues, memory socket issues, can't populate all 4 memory slots, BSODs, Black Holes, SLI problems and all manner and sorts of crashes and lockups. I won't even work on one! Whoever reported that the P5N-E SLI was the highest rated motherboard needs to go to the Doctor to get his head removed from his ass!
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Russ
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17. May 2008 @ 17:19 |
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Please Theone, tell us how you REALLY feel...LOL
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17. May 2008 @ 17:34 |
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russ....spot on about the P5n-e, but your still blaming asus for releaseing them, (they did sell even with problems in hand) but no other company is getting any blame such as xfx or egva from you.
and have you got links to the sales?
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17. May 2008 @ 17:51 |
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Deadrum, you're no aD officionado unless you're used to Russ' long posts. He takes after brobear before him! :)
Shaff: I don't just blame Asus, I blame EVGA too because the quality of their boards seems to have taken a turn for the worse lately. I have no quarrel with XFX though as I think I only know of two people on the site having had to RMA XFX products in my entire time here.
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17. May 2008 @ 18:04 |
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im backing you here sam, i know you dont just go after Asus, i specified that to russ.
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17. May 2008 @ 18:20 |
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Wasn't really an argument, more an explanation, but yeah.
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