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VJbob
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_ 		5. September 2006 @ 18:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have been using CCE Basic 2.70 for more than a year now and I just recently made a friend who has been using CCE SP 2.67 for his full DVD backups.

Who is making higher quality backups? I heard that for the purposes of DVD-Rebuilder, CCE "SP" doesn't make that much of a difference.

Also, are you more likely to see the DVD compression on a less expensive or more expensive TV? (assuming the DVD player is the same).
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Joshewah
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_ 		6. September 2006 @ 13:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I use CCE SP 2.67 and I can't tell the difference between the backups and the originals with most of my backups. I watch my movies on a 30 inch HDTV so I'm assuming that on a less expensive SDTV it woulde be even harder to notice IF there is any noticeable compression at all.

To offer insight into your first question, I'm not sure if one version of CCE is more practical than the other for DVD-RB's purposes.
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IHoe
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_ 		8. September 2006 @ 04:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
the only difference that I heard about different versions of CCE is that one can do more passes than the other...... whether that makes for better quality is in the eye of the beholder. I have a 52" HD TV and my zooming in of the DVD doesn't show any loss of quality at all! I love DVD-RB with CCE and that's what I use for all my episode (TV shows) DVDs and also all my DVDs that the compression is less than 80% quality! Long live DVD-RB!
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larrylje
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_ 		10. September 2006 @ 12:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The only diffrence that I have noticed when searching the diffrence between 2.67 and 2.70 is that 2.70 seems to be faster then the older versions.

I always keep up to date on the CCE. I think the newest version is CCESPv2.70.02.10 It works great in DVD-RB.
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arniebear
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_ 		10. September 2006 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The only difference I can see between 2.67 CCESP and 2.70 CCE Basic is that the Basic is limited to two passes and is a whole lot cheaper. Other than that I cannot tell much difference. However on the 2.70 CCESP it is faster encoding than the other two but the output looks the same to me. On the other hand ProCoder 2 does a super job although slow but the program itself is really super compared to CCE.
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Joshewah
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_ 		11. September 2006 @ 08:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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ProCoder 2 does a super job although slow but the program itself is really super compared to CCE.

Interesting, I'll have to give ProCoder2 a shot. My encoding time with CCE SP (3 passes) is around 4 or 5 hours anyway so whats a little longer gonna hurt? :P
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VJbob
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_ 		11. September 2006 @ 15:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
how do you increase the number of passes on CCE?
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arniebear
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_ 		11. September 2006 @ 16:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This is does not apply for CCE Basic that is only two pass.





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Joshewah
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_ 		11. September 2006 @ 22:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Arnie, I just remember I wanted to ask you about the CCE setting on VBR Bias and Qual Prec. That pic you posted reminded me just now. Is that your setting or do you have yours set differently? I read up on it a little bit but none of the information gave suggested settings, only explanations of what they do so I left mine at the default 25 and 16. I didn't want to do experiments with a 5 hour process and possibly waste valuable blanks.
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VJbob
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_ 		12. September 2006 @ 11:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
arniebear: thanks. Apparently you can go beyond 3 passes but I assume 3 is for optimal quality of full-dvd backups correct? Anybody do more passes than 3 and see a noticeable difference.

Will 3+ passes help on DVDs that have +4hours of content and have noticeable compression on 2 passes?
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arniebear
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_ 		12. September 2006 @ 15:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I just leave my settings at default, it comes out great so why fix it. Some of the really knowledgeable will change it but I am not that experimental. As for the passes I feel that more than 3 passes is not going to make that much of a difference and is just wasting resources. jdobbs stated somewhere in the big long RB sticky thread the same sentiments. It is up to the user on what they see, for me 2 to 3 does it fine. I did KK on 3 with about 50% compression and it came out fantastic.
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