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17. September 2006 @ 17:51 |
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ok...... I basically, only, use Taiyo Yuden media now. My burner and players can play both DVD+Rs (YUDEN002/3) and DVD-Rs (TYGO2/3). Now with everything I know about DVD+R vs DVD-Rs and the thing that the +Rs can be booktyped as compared to the -Rs, what's the difference if I get great results both ways? Why are the +Rs more costly than the -Rs and if the only difference is booktyping and my players play them great without any differences, why should I pay more for the +Rs? ok..... here are some of my recent scans:
now I understand that these are great scans and the burning came out great but..... if I'm getting this kind of results and everything plays great ..... it's like perfected..... why should I pay more for the +Rs when the -Rs do just as good? Is there a bigger difference that makes the +Rs justified to charge more than the -Rs? Will the +Rs last longer than the -Rs? or are we just talking compatibility issues that set them apart? If I don't have any issues with either format why should I keep spending more for the +Rs?
As you guessed it, it's time for me to replenish my stash of blank media. Now after over 1600 burned..... what should I do? DrTY where are you??????
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17. September 2006 @ 18:31 |
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from my own knoleged and trying to read that article on why +R is better (which no one can understand). i say because -R/+R is actually like a small version of teh Blu-ray HD DVD format wars except teh difference is very small and there is no big seperation of parties and tech. where the price difference comes in is +R is considered 2nd party where as the DVD fourm doesnt even recognize +R as DVDs....
thats teh way i reason it and of course i do belive +R is better becaus e it can booktype.
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17. September 2006 @ 18:59 |
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As long as they both work in your players, it shouldn't matter.
If you ever loan your movies to family or friends, that's when the booktyping comes in handy, to make sure it plays in their players.
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17. September 2006 @ 19:09 |
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I know and I do the Booktyping/bitsetting........ and if I use great TOP NOTCH MEDIA like Taiyo Yuden which I only use, except when I want to use my LightScribe then it's Verbatim. Has anyone had a problem with Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs? I must be lucky cause my Taiyo Yudens work in XBox 360, Sony 5 disk changer player as well as my mother's Sony player and my friends DVD players which are varous brands and ages. I have always thought that using the best gets the best results...... just want to know if everything I burn is good.... then why should I buy the higher priced DVD+Rs Taiyo Yudens as compared to the cheaper Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs?
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17. September 2006 @ 19:48 |
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Use what works well for you. It can go back and forth. I've read that consoles read -R better than +R, I've also read that +R booktyped to -ROM is better than -R in consoles. In old DVD players supposidly -R are better read than +R but newer players read +R better.... Like JVC said, only if your burns are going to be played on other peoples machines then it might matter to have +R booktyped to -ROM, but if both work for you then either format is a viable option. Personally I'd go with +R, because eventually DVD players break and your next one might not read -R as well as it reads booktyped +R to -ROM.
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17. September 2006 @ 20:41 |
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@Ihoe
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DrTY where are you??????
right here buddy, my radar went off while i was perusing thru the forums...hehe
anyways, a lot of very good points made by the others here in terms of WHICH Taiyo Yudens you should or should not continue to use...it really does come down to personal preference and standalone compatibility~ :)
i personally PREFER the DVD+R format, due in part to the booktyping aspect as well as generally higher quality scores when burned on my Benqs; however, i have nothing but success burning TYG01/2/3 DVD-R format on my Pioneer dvr-109 crossflashed w/ Buffalo firmware 8.58 with equally high scores on the TY DVD-R compared to the TY DVD+R :)
i guess it really just boils down to WHICH drive you are burning with (in ur case, ur external enclosured Benq 1655)...don't get me wrong, the Benq's burn DVD-R just fine; but i have other drives at my disposal that burn DVD-R "better" than my Benqs do...they (Benq drives) just "prefer" the DVD+R format in general (which is exemplified by consistently higher cd-dvd speed scores at least on my various setups compared to that of DVD-R format) :)
much as the others have mentioned, if you plan on lending or making backups for friends/family, booktyped DVD+R to dvd-rom has THE highest COMPATIBILITY rate generally speaking for various ages/models standalones...followed by DVD-R, then DVD+R (without booktyping)...
if YOU are satisfied with both the QUALITY and COMPATIBILITY of Taiyo Yuden's DVD-R format, by all means, use them as they are less expensive than their DVD+R counterparts online~ :)
being less extravagant in my personal media purchasing habits lately is enough (at least for ME) to go with Taiyo Yuden's DVD-R format when i don't want to cough up the extra $$$ for the dvd+rs; as hard as it might be to imagine, i'm down to about 500 pieces of YUDEN000T02/YUDEN000T03/MCC003/MAXELL002 combined at this point in time (those are the ONLY DVD+R format/media i will PERSONALLY use now); i have a few thousand TY DVD-R format on hand (TYG01/TYG02/TYG03) so i will be going thru a "dvd-r format" stage shortly in the near future.
bottom line, if YOU are pleased with the results you obtain using Taiyo Yuden's DVD-R format and the quality is acceptable to you and compatibility with various standalone players is equally as good FOR YOU, then save a couple of bucks and get the DVD-R TYs (as for DVD-R format, i am not personally too fond of Verbatim's DVD-R, i've used them in the past, but i will not spend money on them anymore...if you want MY opinion, the ONLY dvd-rs that i will buy are Taiyo Yudens and the very rare Maxell MIJ -Hitachi made- 8x DVD-R format with the MXLRG03 MID coding) :)
Taiyo Yuden is Taiyo Yuden, u can't go wrong w/ either format :)
burn on
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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18. September 2006 @ 09:35 |
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i started out with -R's, then tried out +R's, just 'cus they were out there, and now i no longer even check which i'm using, -R and +R go in the burners together, a lot of my burns are 'multiple recorder' burns and the -R happily co-burn with the +R's. i don't have compatability problems personally but obviously booktype any +R i burn, by default
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18. September 2006 @ 10:12 |
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hi :)
i'm pretty much the same as creaky
except for the fact (dare i mention it)(ye go on)(oh ok)that i use Ritek
and that i use +r all the time now because my drives being LiteOn have been flashed to EPPROM which auto sets -rom anything with a + on it
i think that like any of the above who have perfected the proccess you should just carry on the way you are without complicating the matter with science and end up cocking it up by asking the question "WHY"
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18. September 2006 @ 12:14 |
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Kivory666,
Would you care to comment on this thread from NCIX, which carries TruBlu -R TY's? Were you aware there are premium and value lines? That the value packs have a mixture of codes? Some of the posts are a bit confusing to me, as the value and premium lines seem to have the same codes.
Like you, Digital Dolphin (DD) is a well respected member of many online communities. He doesn't seem overly impressed with the TYG03 code.
http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?m...id=0#msg1082009
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18. September 2006 @ 13:17 |
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@mackdl
not to take IHoe's thread too far off topic :p, but yes, DD and i have exchanged a few words here and there in the past; i respect him as THE authority in Canada's online/local media forums as well as other forums online that's he's a part of~ :)
we almost always seem to agree on the quality of different Taiyo Yuden media, especially in the DVD-R format~ :) much like you read in that particular NCIX thread, i have mentioned on quite a few occasions here on AfterDawn in my own official Taiyo Yuden thread that I PERSONALLY rate the TYG01/TYG02 media higher than the TYG03s based on experience...where i have consistently gotten 98-99 quality scores in Nero cd-dvd speed with TYG01 and TYG02 while NEVER once being able to obtain such scores with the 16x rated TYG03s...
a few members here have a LOT of success with the TYG03s, however, i still stand by what i said in the past that IF given the choice between the 3 various rated speeds in TYs DVD-R format, definitely go w/ the TYG02s (TYG01s have been extinct FOR THE MOST PART for about a year or so already at least here in the U.S....if someone actually got TYG01s in the value-line TYs, they naturally received some "older stock" various online retailers were clearing out) :)
anyways, i know it would take too long to scan through all 100+ pages here in my thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/296925
but, to summarize, i have covered the topic of quality between the various speeds of Taiyo Yuden in both the DVD-R format as well as that of dvd+r; as well as that between the "value-line" and the "premium line"...bottom line is, depending on one's personal budget, the "value-line" as these "Tru Blu" brand obviously are will work just fine for you Canadian buyers of Taiyo Yuden...these are the same as the "value-line" TYs here in the U.S. offered by supermediastore.com, meritline.com, among other online retailers~ :) i've used literally thousands of the TYG01s/TYG02s in both the valueline and the premiumline with NO discernable difference in quality, my luck has not faired as well with the TYG03s, but my experience with TYG03s in particular was when they were first available to the public (revisions have since been made and the quality is slightly "better" now than the particular batches i had used in the past) :)
i would PERSONALLY recommend the 8x DVD-R rated TYs (TYG02s) over that of the 16x rated DVD-R (TYG03s), even if that means you need to purchase the "premiumline" over that of the valueline to ensure getting the right media; but if you have a recent drive (dvd burner) with up to date firmware, there really should be no reason that you can't burn TYG03s successfully~ :)
docTY
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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18. September 2006 @ 14:19 |
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thank you one and all for all your comments.... I desided to buy 3/4 of my TYs as DVD+Rs and keep about 1/4 of my stash TYs as DVD-Rs.... all will be printables! Thanks sooooo much and now onto more ink!!!! LOL
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18. September 2006 @ 15:05 |
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My apologies IHoe, didn't mean to take this off track. The TY thread is so long and I rarely have time to read all the posts on AD.
My media of choice is Maxell 002 - booktyped. They are not yet rare in my area, and I can still find them at excellent prices. The last were $17/100 with a mail-in rebate. Booktyping for ME is extremely important, as I DO have compatibility issues with many of my(family's) players.
IHoe, many people have asked me why I don't buy TYs online, the cost of buying the +R's would be the reason as you stated. In stores in Canada, we do not pay a difference between + and - media. Not sure if it is the same in the States. I think it sux that you have to pay a difference online.
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21. September 2006 @ 11:01 |
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...and with the -R's you get an extra 6Mb for your money.
DVD-R/DVD-RW = 4 706 074 624 bytes ( 4488 MB )
DVD+R/DVD+RW = 4 700 372 992 bytes ( 4482 MB )
DVD+R DL = 8 547 993 600 bytes ( 8152 MB )
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21. September 2006 @ 12:30 |
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hi :)
does that mean i can put my target up to 4306 then?
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21. September 2006 @ 13:09 |
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Yeppers!
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