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The Stone Ages - Yet another problem with encoding
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brobear
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1. October 2005 @ 10:07 |
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Lumbastio
Sounds like you're asking some preemptive questions. Factory DVDs are already compliant. Sometimes the structure gets damaged in editing and ripping; rarely in the ripping, but it can happen. That's why I emphasized Shrink's ability to correct structure. There were some other apps mentioned that will accomplish the same, possibly not as easily. So, DVD compliance is not a real worry.
Sophocles gave you a good description of what Shrink does, no need to go farther. I rarely visit Shrink anymore, though I still keep a copy on my PC.
I've not had a problem with RB leaving parts of the movie out. If I were you, I'd give the program a try at Movie only with Menus to see how one of your DVDs come out.
When you consider my 2.8GHz P4 wasn't even the top performer when I purchased it a few years ago, and now compare it to the newer 3.6 GHZ, the AMD 64s, and the dual cores you're looking at slow. In reality I guess it is actually somewhere around the bottom of what one could still call mid range or around the top of the lower level processors. It's decent but I'd like better. Same old story, always want something bigger.
You can check out processors at NewEgg.com. Check with the manufacturer support for your PC to see what the mobo will support in the line of processors. Some retail sites can help on occasion. If you can go up to a 3.2GHz processor, then you're looking at a few hundred dollars. As I said, the NewEgg prices are decent and will give you an idea.
One of the nice things about RB/CCE is that it works well at high compression. Often most DVDs can be done without editing with little loss of quality. Something is lost anytime you encode, nature of the process. RB/CCE does it well enough that it is usually barely noticable; in a lot of cases not even visible to the eye. When you're moving out to 8GB or better, it's probably best to edit when possible. Anything just over 7 GB and I don't worry about it. Part of getting good with RB is using it and getting a feel for it. You do a lot better working with it than talking about it. Go ahead and push it around and if you have problems, then ask questions. One can go on with discussing various situations for quite a while.
As for discussions on cracking software, I don't go there. ;) I do know that some apps like DVDRemake have a security system that is quite difficult to breach, making downloads from their site almost impossible. That leaves cracked versions which aren't the same as the retail downloads. We've seen enough problems with the "unlimited trials" to know they can be trouble. Same with some of the CCE "trials". Use what you will, but don't complain if problems crop up. Some people won't even try to help if they see "trials" are in use.
Seems by the time DL media will get low enough we'll be into high definition. Then we'll be compressing to DL if that is what is still in use. Some people are already looking at DivX as a means of compressing enough to work with hi-def DVDs, which might allow the DVD5s to hang on longer. Who knows at this point? For now, all we have to worry about is simple encryption and DVD9 to 5 encoding with RB. ;) I just work with what's there and hope what comes next will be just as easy. Worrying about what's coming down the road won't help.
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1. October 2005 @ 18:49 |
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Lumbastio and brobear (god help us if Pete and Vurbal's reading this)I think that it's time for both of you to start posting your word counts. That's right, in the interest in saving energy due to the current rate of oil by the barrel, you'll both have to reduce your word counts to just below that of "War And Peace."
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1. October 2005 @ 19:54 |
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First time I'm seen racing fingers blamed for the energy crisis. LOL Lest we forget, I've seen some Sophocles' dissertations. I'll have to remind you in the future. ;) Words sometimes come back to haunt you. LOL
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1. October 2005 @ 20:12 |
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Sophocles' dissertations? Prove it! LOL
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1. October 2005 @ 21:34 |
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Sophocles' dissertations? Prove it! LOL
Are you sure? LOL If not having all your words in one, we can at least agree you're prolific. Over 300 posts in the limited search query. LOL Enough proof? LOL ;)
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1. October 2005 @ 21:48 |
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How true but they were all short responses.
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1. October 2005 @ 22:11 |
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Sure, we know. Sophocles never gets carried away. LOL ;) Addicts don't get to be Addicts without typing a few responses. ;) I vaguely remember a few Sophocles editorials, though I'm not going to try to track them down to prove it. LOL Just the fuzzy little posts we did when we first met would make one a Senior nowadays. LOL
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Lumbastio
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1. October 2005 @ 22:52 |
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Sophocles and Arnie,
You are right absolutely correct about the observations of the concerts. I don?t know if you have seen Le Nozze Di Figaro by J. Gardiner (arnie perhaps), but when I looked closely at the faces of the members of the orchestra in the dark background, they were completely pixelated/distorted. This is why in the beginning I thought that it was Shrink messing things up, but this is the way the original DVD is. The problem with great works of art is that every performance is unique and often the great artists are dead before even the technology catches up. So many operas and most of today?s classical CD?s have been derived from non-digital sources. You just can?t travel back in time and ask e.g. Toscanini to perform something the second time because the technology is more advanced now. Therefore, many works of art are just stuck with bad quality forever. Very unfortunate. Thank god Gould decided to re-record Goldberg Variations just before he died.
Brobear, on newegg website I searched for processors and the most expensive one was this: AMD Dual-Core Opteron 275 Italy 1GHz FSB Socket 940 Processor Model OSA275CBBOX - Retail . It costs over $1,000 but it is only 1GHz! I don?t know why is it so expensive. For the same amount of money I can buy a whole Dell system with a much faster processor (unless I?m not interpreting the specs correctly.) It?s likely that I have to find some sort of helpful harware forum to learn about hardware, because my knowledge about it is not satisfactory. It also seems like building/remodeling a computer should be very easy and also cost effective since it excludes the fee for putting the PC together by the factory and the costs for all that ?free? software that comes with the PC that can be obtained somewhere else.
I have no complaints about software because everything works for me perfectly except Remake. Maybe high definition is the next generation, but if the DL comes down in price in will be VERY helpful since of the great works of arts and good movies have already been created in that format. Only the ultra modern films will require the newer technology.
Here, I?ll post my word count below. Do I get extra credit or something? War and Peace was not so appealing, not because it is long, but because the writer could not keep my interest despite the fact that I read the first 120 or so pages. We know that Dostoevsky often included many unnecessary excerpts in his novels simply to make them longer and get paid more to pay his debtors! Still, Brothers Karamazov was amazing.
38 lines, 448 words, 2125 characters. Oops, looks like I forgot to include this last sentence in the count. Oh well.
And also, what did you do with this page? I now can?t fit it on my monitor and have to move the bar sideways to be able to read the posts. This really sucks.
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1. October 2005 @ 23:08 |
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My joke with Sophocles is the culprit. The gif caused the page to broaden.
Sounds like you need to go hang out at the hardware forums for a while. Those new dual core processors don't run at the high speeds of some of the single core processors, but remember... two cores. It's more about architecture than speed. That's where a lot of novices go wrong, it's not all about speed, but how much work can be done. That's always been AMD's claim to fame, more work done per cycle. Intel accomplishes the same amount of work by running faster (more cycles). You need to review some benchmarks to get a handle on comparisons. As for building a PC, there's a bit more to it than just putting the parts in a case. Sophocles could probably do a better job of setting you straight there. After all, he's the teacher and an avid hardware "enthusiast". ;)
As far as some of the older music, some is actually being improved by modern technology. Old tracks can be digitally remastered and cleaned up to sound better than the original recordings. Economics is sometimes the driving force for what gets done and it's not always the works we might prefer that get the treatment. That is work usually done in a lab and not in the home. There are apps that the individual can use though.
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2. October 2005 @ 05:40 |
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Lumbastio
The opteron is more expensive because you can mount more than one on a motherboard that supports it. For single core speeds you should be looking at my specs in my sig. My Vencie core overclocked is actually faster than a single core opteron and it coust only $219.
Here is a comparison between my cheaper Venice core and an Opteron. Note that my speed has increased since then and now I'm really whipping the opeteron.
http://www.zentarium.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27
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Lumbastio
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2. October 2005 @ 13:05 |
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Sophocles, does it really matter what PC do you use to build up a new computer? If you had my 3 year old Dell dimension 2300, would you consider stripping it naked and then putting on expensive clothes like a venice core processor, 2 gig ram, and a brand new Wester Digital hard drive (experts cosider Western Digital to be the best since it lasts a VERY long time.)
I know that this is off the topic, but I think that the administrators of this forum should open a new area specifically devoted to hardware. But for now, I have found this forum: http://www.hothardware.com/forum/. What do you think about it? I'm looking for a forum that has rich and accurate information to help me build the ultimate PC in a cost effective manner. I have over 26 programs and growing on my PC (not all are installed) and the 3D imaging on my Chemoffice 2005 consumes so much power that I have to close half of my security software to be able to use it. If I have to use Adobe Pro at the same time, I have to shut down the internet. Now imagine if I use CCE encoder; the computer becomes totally useless. I don't know what do you use your PC for, but it is very likely that I might need more PC power than you do. If I invest around $800 on hardware only, do you think that I'll be able to build a PC that is much more powerful than those expensive Dell models? I'm hoping to use it for many years to come and then simply upgrade it by investing a little more.
This forum was really great. The info available was so rich that it was possible to learn how to burn DVD's like a pro in a very short amount of time and now I'm possessed to build a high edge PC. I've had enough of my PS (personal snail.)
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2. October 2005 @ 13:23 |
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2. October 2005 @ 14:08 |
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RB/CCE is still going to take up your resources. We've already mentioned encoding is an intensive task for the processor. Multitasking is out if you want to do a good job.
I can vouch for WD from personal experience, good HDDs. As for stripping the 2300 Dell and going back with an AMD processor, I wouldn't go there. About the only thing you could use are the drives and possibly some cables. You need a new MoBo to go with the AMD processor if that's the route you're taking. Add to that a case that the Mobo will fit into. A newer case comes in handy for the upgraded ventilation you'll need if you're going to overclock the system. Plus you need a better power supply than came in most of the 2300s. Then you have to check to see if any of that old memory is usable. The unit you hope to build should handle over 4 GB of RAM. A lot of boards have 4 memory slots, so you have to think about the size you want to put in. If you're using dual channel memory, then it has to be matched. Just all kinds of things to remember. From my point of view, it doesn't look like much of the 2300 is usable for building a new AMD system. Sophocles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see it. If I were you, I'd go with a good uggrade on the Processor for the 2300 and save up for that "dream machine" you hope to build. Taking some classes or workshops on upgrading and fixing PCs would probably be helpful before you start trying a build.
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3. October 2005 @ 01:54 |
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Sophocles, 64026402 aka Donald, and I were having a discussion on the merits of AMD and Intel. AMD lead Intel a bit but now Intel is coming back. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/6/235934 To tell the truth, I don't see much savings between the top end AMD and Intel and I don't see a lot of advantages of one over the other since Intel came out with the new chipsets to support their new processors and now companies are developing faster memory so Intels processors aren't held back by the system bus , FSB, and memory speeds. Say close to $3000 for a complete system at top end with AMD or Intel.
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