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DVD2SVCD encoding times, please post your results
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Shoey
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1. July 2003 @ 06:06 |
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Where the opinion poll? Just kiddin'...
Ok, those of you who use DVD2SVCD and do your own dvd rips, encode with either CCE (Cinema Craft Encoder), TMPEnc or Canopus ProCoder please post your encode times (not including dvd rip\burn).
My rig is posted below my sig:
2 hour movie using CCE= 9 hours at multi-pass vbr4, audio at 224 kbps.
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1. July 2003 @ 06:26 |
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Well let see. I run 2400Ghz Processor - 1Gig of Ram - ATI 9700 Video Card - 120 Gig Hard Drive - 60 gig External Hard Drive
2 hour movie using CCE = 4 hours at multi-pass vbr4, audio at 192 kbps.
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1. July 2003 @ 06:33 |
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I run 2400Ghz Processor
AMD (Athlon) or Pentium 4?
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1Gig of Ram
PC?= SD-DDR?
Overclock?
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1. July 2003 @ 06:48 |
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Opps sorry bout that. No not overclocked
AMD Athlon XP processor
1.0 GB/PC2100 2 DIMM
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Adder_78
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1. July 2003 @ 12:02 |
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Labrat:
What is your encoding speed in CCE? I mean the realtime speed... 2.5X? nice speed.
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1. July 2003 @ 14:44 |
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Most of the time it run 2.0 to 2.2. Yes it is a nice speed, alot faster than my last system I was using.
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2 hour movie using CCE = 4 hours at multi-pass vbr4, audio at 192 kbps.
Ok so I exaggerated just a bit. It usually take right around 6 hours. This is for you Shoey ;-)_
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1. July 2003 @ 22:55 |
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For me DVD to SVCD with CCE SP, 4 pass vbr would take easily about 10 hours, for AVI to SVCD, about 5 or 6 hours!
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3. July 2003 @ 09:55 |
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Why are you using 4pass vbr... have you try the Bach metod? Only one (actual) vbr pass and great quality...
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3. July 2003 @ 22:52 |
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I encode while i sleep usually so i dont care about time taken and stuff like that!
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4. July 2003 @ 02:40 |
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I encode while i sleep usually so i dont care about time taken and stuff like that!
Just a wast of time... I dont sleep at all :o)
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4. July 2003 @ 05:17 |
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Only one (actual) vbr pass and great quality...
By default, DVD2SVCD uses multi-pass vbr3 and the video playback is far better than 1pass. Please don't endorse multi-pass vbr1 when using DVD2SVCD m8. Dela and I have backed up countless dvd2svcd and the both of us can confirm the more pass(es), the better video playback.
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Are the links posted underneath your sig your homepage m8?
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4. July 2003 @ 05:49 |
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Yes I know that multi-pass vbr make great quality (I'm no Newbie but my english sucks :). _But_ when you just find the right Q-value (Q that correspond the wanted movie size) with doing only ONE PASS VBR method then the results are allmost same. The time that you save is great. (I have guide but it's in finnish)
And yes I host the www.mpegit.net. Sorry but the english part of the site is very poor and there is only couple good guides in finnish. I'm actually looking for webmaster for that english part of the site ;o)
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4. July 2003 @ 06:27 |
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Ok so how would he\she find the "Q-Value" (after ripping a dvd) before he\she starts the encoding process? (DVD2SVCD& CCE encoder). Note I'm not talking about converting....
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4. July 2003 @ 06:48 |
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With simple Avisynth script (if the N/M=4):
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("G:\movie\movie.d2v")
ConvertToYUY2()
AddAudio()
SelectRangeEvery(1200,12)
That would encode only ~1% of the movie (using that One pass VBR). So the trick is to change the Q-value in CCE (2.50) and then just 100*movie.m2v+audio+(subtitles etc)=wanted_filesize. If the size is ok then just remove the last line of the avisynth script and then encode again with CCE (so it will encode the whole movie)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("G:\movie\movie.d2v")
ConvertToYUY2()
AddAudio()
That script was very simple no filters etc... I allways try to do about 7-10% bigger the filesize than what that Q-testing actually gives because it's not that correct.
For example if I want 4 gigs *.mpv then I should try to find Q-value that would give about 43Mb. So the 100*43Mb=4.3Gigs but when you encode the movie it's allways about 7-10% smaller so it should be about 4 Gigs.
Sorry my poor english :o) If you have any questions please ask :o)
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4. July 2003 @ 06:59 |
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Adder_78,
I (Afterdawn) appreciate your advanced knowledge in svcd encoding and DVD2SVCD program. If you haven't noticed many nOObs post here so I don't give them "meat" (infants) on my reply posts unless I know what they're talking about within the first few posts. The "meat" is translated as if a Mother has a infant, she first gives them milk and I ask anyone not to take offense at my "comparison". What I do know is that the latest AVISynth is a bit "unstable" as when one first installs DVD2SVCD one has the choice to install a choice of 2 versions. I'm advanced enough in this field to give "your" method a go and see if the video playback is as equal to (worse\better) than multi-pass vbr4. I advise nOObs reading this thread to stick to the basics unless your advanced in encoding, and DVD2SVCD program.
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DVD2SVCD does NOT directly support Batch mode processing of movies. This is handy if you wish to process a few small TV Episodes or cartoons in the one evening. But it can be done, run DVD2SVCD, load in movie, set everything up to your liking and particular the folder you will be saving/encoding to. Hit Go and start the conversion. Let it run for 2-3 seconds until you see the long line about DVD2AVI come up. Then close DVD2SVCD by clicking the small X top right of its window. Go immediately to the task bar and right click on the DVD2AVI button and select Close. Repeat this for all the movies/episodes you wish to convert but be careful to select a different Default Output Folder for each movie. I use MOVIE1, MOVIE2, etc folders. Now go to the folder where you installed DVD2SVCD and you will see a file called dvd2svcd batch.bat. Open this in Notepad and add the following lines so it will look similar to:
@ECHO OFF
REM DVD2SVCD Batch Control
"E:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2SVCD.exe" -d2s:"H:\MOVIE1\dvd2svcd project file.d2s" -run -exit
"E:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2SVCD.exe" -d2s:"H:\MOVIE2\dvd2svcd project file.d2s" -run -exit
where E:\DVD2SVCD\ is the folder where you have DVD2SVCD installed and H:\MOVIE1\ is the folder where you have selected all will be encoded to. These will probably be different on every computer. Now Save the file, create a shortcut on your desktop to this file and when you are ready, run it. The above example will now process the 2 movies set up and info saved in Movie1 and Movie2 folders. If you wish to shut the computer down after encoding, change the -exit to -shutdown in the last line. I have sucessfully done up to 7 episodes this way without a problem.
The above is for Windows 2000 or XP. If your running Windows 98 or ME, you need to put a Start /WAIT in front of each line like:
Start /WAIT "E:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2SVCD.exe" -d2s:"H:\MOVIE1\dvd2svcd project file.d2s" -run -exit.
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Yes I understand that the so called Bach-method is not for Newbies. But I was just wondering why advanced users like yourself and Dela are using 4pass method... Because its really a waste of time (just my opinion). Advanced users should use advanced methods :o) LOL
And if you have very slow computer then the One Pass VBR is great option if you dont want to wait for 20 hours for encoding. I know it's not the simple way to go but when you learn it once then it's easy. And you can use the same method with (X)VCD, (X)SVCD, DVD-R etc.
There is also one nice way to use the DVD2SVCD to do the Audio part, Subtitles, good avisynth script and then just stop the DVD2SVCD when the encoding process starts with CCE and use the Bach-method then just adding the one line in the end of the skript etc... It's so easy but it will require good guide and I just dont have time to do it in english :o/
But you should really try that method once... :o)
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Advanced users should use advanced methods :o) LOL
Excuse me m8 but the author of Eazy VCD doesn't endorse "your method". I've encoded "episodes" in batch mode and with the naked eye, the video quality is the same m8. I'm running a fast cpu, front side bus, ata\133 hd to encode as recommended. Doom9 and many other "popular" forums (S)VCD doesn't endorse or mention this method while backing up dvd2svcd. My dvd backups are of great video quality and I intend to backup multi-pass vbr4 (movies).
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And you can use the same method with (X)VCD, (X)SVCD, DVD-R etc
DVD2DVD-R, you only need to use DVD2SVCD backing up DVD-9 double layer or type 3 DVD's that require re-encoding (DVD is a DVD9 (double layer > 4.37gb) but maim movie + audio is > 4.37gb)
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4. July 2003 @ 14:08 |
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lol, an argument over quality! tehehe, well its simple, some of us like multipass vbr, others dont :-)
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4. July 2003 @ 14:57 |
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lol, an argument over quality! tehehe, well its simple, some of us like multipass vbr, others dont :-)
It's not argument over quality... just a option to do the same thing but much faster.
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4. July 2003 @ 15:10 |
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Oh i know what you mean man, dont get me wrong but even look at nfo's from release groups, 4 pass vbr is the most used and they are the professionals, they would have to be or no1 would post their releases! time doesnt bother me cause like i said i encode when i sleep!
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Oh i know what you mean man, dont get me wrong but even look at nfo's from release groups, 4 pass vbr is the most used and they are the professionals, they would have to be or no1 would post their releases! time doesnt bother me cause like i said i encode when i sleep!
Well the One Pass VBR method is not well known (Very few people are using it for example in Doom9 forum etc). It will require much more complicated steps than multipass 4pass VBR. It's much faster but you cant predict exactly the file size (almost but not exactly).
I'm not saying that One Pass VBR would give you better results than 4pass multipass VBR, but it's so close that you cant see the difference (in tv). And if you think about the gain in speed, then there is absolutely nothing that would change my mind that One Pass VBR method is better.
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And please don't mix these two things up:
One pass VBR
Multipass VBR
Those are different options in CCE. So I'm not saying that Multipass VBR 1-pass is better than Multipass VBR 4-pass. :o)
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If you have ever read the Doom9's guide about getting the best out of CCE (Robshot method) you should realize that the 4pass method is not the ultimate way to do encoding. After that guide there was this Mr Bach who is "guru" of CCE and he found even beter way to do the same thing. And that is RoBa method (Robshot+Bach)...
But you have to try the method before you can judge anything... :o)
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4. July 2003 @ 16:17 |
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Like i said u like it your way and i like it my way man :-)
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4. July 2003 @ 16:28 |
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Like i said u like it your way and i like it my way man :-)
Yeah I know ;o) I like the 4pass method too, but now I'm using only this "new" method. You can compare the results for 4pass against 16pass method. You really cant see any difference in picture quality(there should be but...). Only the encoding time is the difference. But like you said it's all up to you. :o)
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4. July 2003 @ 16:41 |
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I'll check it out anyway, everything is worth a try :-)
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