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Dose partitioning hurt a HD?
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AfterDawn Addict
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16. October 2006 @ 18:42 |
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I guess a bad drive will go in a year or less regardless of partitioning or not...still I worry and my bloody fingers can account for it LOL
I had bad luck with samsung and Maxtor drives 02-05 they seemed to want to fail almost yearly I was using 2 or 3 partition's 1 was the OS 1 was archive and the other was for near consent downloading.
It drove me nuts this last time 13 months back I decided not to partition and have not had a HD error yet.
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16. October 2006 @ 22:36 |
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the only harm partitioning can do is destroy partitions/data
unfortunately hard drives are just unpredictable, sometimes they last for years, sometimes they just don't last. A fact of life i'm afriad, you just got to save your data now and then in whichever is the easiest method, whether it's cd's, dvd's or ghosting to another hard drive
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17. October 2006 @ 10:53 |
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creaky
figures *L*
Now I ahve another question how dose raid work will it automatically replace a drive that has failed or do you have to change settings around in order to use the backup raid drive to work?
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17. October 2006 @ 10:56 |
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depends which level of RAID you got; i know RAID, but only on huge UNIX servers at work. i've never used it on PC's so don't know what functionality PC's have....
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17. October 2006 @ 11:16 |
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A typical PC board with raid will do RAID 0, RAID 1, or RAID 0+1. Raid 0 stripes the drives. Not fault tolerant at all. It is meant for performance....greater speed to access data. If one drive fails, all your data is gone. Two 40 gig drives will be used as one 80 gig drive, and the access to the data is shared across the two, giving you your performance boost. RAID 1 mirrors the drive, so 2 40 gig drives is seen as a single 40 gig drive. But, all your data is written to both drives, essentially creating an exact copy. Fault tolerance is good because if one drive fails, you have your mirror. But you have a 50% loss of storage (losing the extra 40 gig to the mirror). RAID 0+1 is a mirror of a stripe. So, you have the performance RAID setup, then mirror it to another set of drives. Costly, as you need to buy a bunch of drives.
Make sense??
~Rich
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17. October 2006 @ 11:31 |
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DoubleDwn
I knew most of that jsut not all of it
O-o
SO my new question is can you do data performance RAID and Mirror RAID at the same time? with the right amount of HDs of course.
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17. October 2006 @ 11:36 |
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Yeah...that is the RAID 0+1. It depends on the board specs though.
~Rich
Check www.howstuffworks.com and search for RAID. It explains all of the RAIDs and explains them fairly well.
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ratbastid
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17. October 2006 @ 11:37 |
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You can, that's the RAID 0+1. You need a minimum of 4 drives. But what you're thinking about is RAID 5, where one drive can fail and you swap it out for a replacement. You need at least 3 drives for that, and you lose one whole hard drive's worth of space--so the more drives you have, the more economical it is for capacity.
I don't know any motherboards with built-in RAID 5, you'll need an add-in card for that. It's not really for performance gain, it's about reliability. Mirroring is great, but you need to shutdown to replace the bad drive. With RAID 5, you can hot-swap the dead drive (depending on your hardware, of course) and it will rebuild the array in the background. At this point, we're talking server-class stuff. Drives are cheap now, my recommendation is set up a RAID 0 for speed, and get one large drive to back it up to. No real need for a 0+1. Conversely, some of the newer Intel motherboards (965 chipset and up, I believe) support RAID 0+1 with only 2 drives, but this only works with SATA hard drives.
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17. October 2006 @ 11:51 |
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Nice,I am badly not up tp date with raid ><
I guess a 150-200GB sata with mirroring would be fast enough or no faster than a normal ata 100.
SPeed is nice but I can only afford reliability,One more question if you get a hard crash or a reboot out of no where will the data damage go over to the mirrored drive?
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Grongle
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17. October 2006 @ 11:53 |
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Back to your original question, I am a strong advocate of partitioning. I have 15 partitions in total on 2 Maxtor 7200s, each of which is 3+ years old. My partitions range from 12 to 18 or so.
I use a very (very!) small partition for my system drive on (C:), and I never install Windows there. Never! I may have 2 or 3 OSs at a time, and they may be XP and/or others. When you install Windows, it automatically places your most vital system data on (C:) by default. It is important to realize that the boot info for ALL your Windows programs is located in that one place?as opposed to being placed on the first partitions of more than one HD.
Therefore you can locate various Windows OSs wherever you want, on any kind of partition. All of them will be subject to the boot info on (C:), and you never need to go there at all. Note that Linux is more fussy; it requires its partitions to be adjacent to one another. For Windows, you can create one partition far away from the activity spots where you place a big Pagefile that works for all your Windows OSs. (Mine is on (Z:).)
When you separate your data types (music, research, OSs, programs) onto discrete partitions, you can kill partitions and reformat them, then put on a new OS or whatever, and Windows will re-commence using all the links. This is somewhat amazing, and you have to see it to believe it. I have removed entire OSs and replaced them, and I have even removed the system (C:) itself. I always have one partition for all my program files, and I completely ignore the default Windows Program Files directory, which is a real Micro$soft mess. I just leave it to its default minimum M$ files; I'd be ashamed for my own system to ever be so sloppy as theirs.
If on the other hand you want to stay in the same partition?although I strongly suggest you don't?you can create a Pro folder and keep all your own programs in there. Of course, Pro precedes Program Files, so it will automatically be in handy sequence for you to use. Trouble is, if you need to kill your OS, your programs are on the same partition, which I advise against.
I have no evidence that myriad partitions have any negative effect at all. I think segregating things and having so much easy control over them is a real advantage to you and to the efficiency of your system. By the way, I run an old Celeron with a pathetically small L2 cache, so every ounce of memory and speed is vital to me, and I'd be sure to know if 15 partitions took too much from my system. No, they don't?they empower it.
You almost never need Partition Magic, by the way. XP has an extremely good partitioning system tucked away for you. And, yes, you can name all your drive letters anything you wish, including the boot drives. However, the boot drive letters have to be pre-calculated, often by temporarily creating unformatted logical drives to get you the letter you want. But it can be done. Micro$soft says you can create 26 lettered partitions, and I have used every letter in the alphabet?but, even so, I think M$ is wrong, even so: I believe you can have only 25 lettered partitions at one time. The last one (whichever letter it might be) is reserved, I believe, for OS install operations. If I'm wrong about that, then alternatively install ops would have to commandeer some space on a lettered partition while you do your installations.
I hope some of that might be useful to your planning. Good luck!
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17. October 2006 @ 11:59 |
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Grongle
Nice good info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a Samsung 120 at 140ish GB for stuff
maxtor 40GB at 38ishGB for XP
I ahve not had any hard fauilers or anything since I have not been partitoning so sicne they are out of warranty I will just leave them be and when I get my new HDs whenever hell freezes over *L* 150 to 200GB sounds fine double it for riad,then I can have 30ish for XP 50ish for vids 20ish for music and the rest for odds and ends mabye a 20 for games,but you get the point *L*
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