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Any hope for Legend of Mana (NTSC-US) w/ Breaker Pro?
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Nazosan
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12. November 2006 @ 16:53 |
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Hi, I'm sorry, I wanted to just bump up the really old thread, but considering how it had completely degenerated into a flame war it's probably for the best that I can't anyway. After all, it's about trying to get one of the PSX's greater games working once again (ok, I know not everyone is a big fan of LoM versus the true Seiken Densetsu series, but, it's one heck of a good game nonetheless.)
Basically Legend of Mana (for US, not Japan) seems to have be a weird case as far as playing a PSX backup with Breaker Pro. While it will work without a hitch on pretty much any modchip, it fails to run on Breaker Pro. I'm not 100% clear as to whether this problem is specific to the PS2 or if it also applies to a PSX too, but I can verify that it's definitely not working on my unmodded slim (V12) PS2. The curious thing is that as nearly as ANYONE has been able to determine (and I have searched far more than just this forum) the US version has no anti-modchip code, unlike the Japanese version.
The only patches anyone has been able to locate for the US version are NTSC to PAL converters while it's quite easy to find an anti-modchip remover for the Japanese version. This pretty much seems to confirm what everyone is saying -- that the US version has no such code in it to remove in the first place as strange as that seems. Oh, and one common question was if the anti-modchip option was used in the Breaker Pro. Unfortunately, whether it is on or off it seems to not really help. Just to be 100% sure I even tried the "Anti-AR Killer" option (I assume AR = Action Replay?) Unfortunately that didn't work either. I even tried with both on and still no good. Oh, and I even tried turning off the video mode control (eg neither forced NTSC nor PAL but just use whatever the games says to use.) No matter what I do, the same thing just happens every time. It just freezes up on the loading screen and stays there however long you wish to wait. Oh, and I'd like to add for the record that I'm using Taiyo Yuden CDRs burned in 8x (the slowest speed the burner will allow -- or more accurately the lowest speed the CDRs say they can be burned at) using CloneCD with suitable options for PSX backups (which work fine for all my other backups.) It's a Lite-On burner, so I'm not exactly in danger of falling asleep from counting all the sheep but for all their failings in the DVD burning world, Lite-On drives like this one are actually pretty decent at CDRs.
Anyway, I'm hoping that perhaps in all this time someone has had some insight into this and maybe a possible fix -- or that perhaps someone new might come along who knows something none of us have had the benefit of knowing about this. Perhaps it DOES use some kind of protection scheme. The sad thing is I bought my Breaker Pro for this game more than for all the others (well, ok, I still have my Alundra and Einhander backups, so it was worth getting it anyway, but it's still very dissapointing since LoM was one of my favorite PSX games and the one I've been missing the most.)
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stavstav
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13. November 2006 @ 00:31 |
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personal opinion is you should use an emulator epsxe
i think you can get it to work on ps2 if you use cdloader after breaker pro then the game
ps-- i have breaker pro and 700012 model slimline (same ver as yours?). no games work right. for one the resolution is off and for two the game runs at 3 fps if at all
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Nazosan
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13. November 2006 @ 01:18 |
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Originally posted by stavstav:
personal opinion is you should use an emulator epsxe
Yeah, I'm sure it works, but that kind of defeats the purpose. I mean, for one, I want it on the go and my PC isn't exactly portable (if I had the kind of money one needs for a laptop I probably would have gotten a modchip installed rather than buying Swap Magic and later Breaker Pro) and for another it just isn't the same even playing with a PSX/PS2 gamepad on the PC. No, the idea is to get the game running on the PS2 and it doesn't even matter if it works in ePSXe or not (which, like I said, it probably does and probably flawlessly -- though I've had some troubles getting 2D to show up quite right in ePSXe fairly often.)
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i think you can get it to work on ps2 if you use cdloader after breaker pro then the game
Uhm, no. CD Loader is a PS2 boot disc and as such Breaker Pro can't boot it and it can't boot PSX games even if Breaker Pro could boot it. Nice idea though. If there's something like that for PSX that Breaker Pro COULD boot, it might just solve the problem in much the way Cogswap Loader or ZoneLoader will let you boot any games Swap Magic can't handle on the PS2.
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ps-- i have breaker pro and 700012 model slimline (same ver as yours?). no games work right. for one the resolution is off and for two the game runs at 3 fps if at all
Yeah, that is the same version I think. Well, I had mine long past the waranty period, so recently in my efforts to keep it from joining the huge pile of V12s out there that overheat too easily I've added heatsinks and such and in that process I tore off the lable, so if there was an extra 1 or something in the model number I might have forgotten it, but, I definitely remember it's a V12 (especially considering that I bought it just as soon as the slims first came out, so even if I were in doubt I know it's a V12 just by the fact there was no V13 then.) All my backups play as flawlessly on my PS2 with Breaker Pro (v1.11N) as well as I can remember to compare with my previous PSX system. The only thing I can think of to explain your problem is perhaps if you play NTSC games on a PAL system, that would explain the resolution being way off (perhaps it just changes the colorspace?) and maybe it could cause serious desynchronization and timing issues due to not running in 60Hz mode then. If this were indeed the case, I'd recommend trying those NTSC->PAL patches you can find online (I think I can't say where on these forums, though I'm not sure if patches are considered ok or not.) I think they do a better job of the conversion than you can do in just software (well, ok, I've never tried since I have no PAL systems to try it on, so maybe they don't.) In fact, I'm using the s-video video (no HDTV, but good normal TV) so I think I would notice if the video looked any lower resolution. I KNOW I'd notice if it ran at 3 fps though. In fact, none have run slower in any way I could notice without some kind of high resolution timer. It should be noted that the PS2 DOES have that whole title.db thing that the PS2 independence exploit took advantage of for a reason, so maybe playing some PSX games can be less than perfect on a PS2, Breaker Pro or not, but none of those I've tried so far had a problem. Oh, and it helps to use good CDR media of course -- as a little free tip of the day, those gold colored Maxell CD-RPro discs all but guarantee a Taiyo Yuden dye type for now. Still no guarantees so they could change it today for all I know, but for now every package I've bought have been Taiyo Yuden CDRs, and you can find these things in places like Walmart or other such stores.
Actually, I was surprised. I thought I was going to have to patch most of my backups to make them work with Breaker Pro since I didn't have a modchip. In fact, LoM is the only game I've had troubles with so far. It seems most of the few games that were doubly protected on the PSX are the ones I'm not really interested in. All my favorites like LoM (at least officially,) Einhander, Alundra, the MMX series, Chrono Trigger, and quite a few others completely lack the extra modchip protection though. Not that I mind patching my backups, just it was a pleasant surprise to see that Breaker Pro is far more compatible than I thought.
EDIT: OMG! I and everyone else with this problem have all been idiots. It's so OBVIOUS. Forget CD Loader, there IS something compatible with Breaker Pro (or even just without if you have an original) which can boot LoM. ActionReplay... A backup of ActionReplay will boot LoM via Breaker Pro, or an original AR which is quite common will also boot it. Thanks for putting me on the right track, even if CD Loader itself wasn't the actual solution. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go play the living daylights out of LoM. d-:
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. November 2006 @ 05:50
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