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rambleram
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15. November 2006 @ 13:36 |
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I am having trouble burning to the second layer on Ritek Ridata double layer discs, DVD+R 2.4X. I have never had trouble with this brand in the past, but now I can't get them to burn! I have burned over 100 of this same brand before with no problems. I NOW have 20 some coasters already! These are white injet discs. I used both of my dvd drives with the same result.
I have a Sony 801a and a Pioneer 710 with updated firmware.I use CloneDVD with Nero.
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16. November 2006 @ 05:35 |
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you're going to have to tell us a little more about your problem than "it doesn't work and it worked before!"
how about some Nero logs!?
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JoeRyan
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16. November 2006 @ 12:47 |
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Compare the MID codes of the Ritek DL discs that worked and those that do not. My hunch is that they will be different because the newer ones are made with the IS (inverse stack) process while the older ones use the 2P process. If they MID codes are different, I suspect that this is the problem I predicted a few months back because firmware support for older drives, even DL, drives was falling faster than the prices of the drives. IS will replace 2P DL discs in the next year or so. DL users lucky enough to have a drive that is supported by the firmware engineers may be able to get by with the new discs. All others will have to buy new drives or use DVDShrink more often.
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16. November 2006 @ 13:05 |
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where did you come up with this IS process compared to 2P process ..... and I thought that the industry was standard when it comes to DVD processing! the big differences are -Rs vs. +Rs...... now we have to be aware of IS vs 2P----- what ever that means! If I buy a +R disks or a -R disk I don't want a manufactures list of how it was made! This to me is crap! I hope it stays with the DL disks..... cause I don't want anything to do with the manufacturers process of making the disk other than to say this manufacturer (MCC, Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim) are quality disk makers...... I don't want to be a chemist to buy disks!
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rambleram
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17. November 2006 @ 00:34 |
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I un-installed Nero ,then re-installed and set up version 6.6.0.18.
My Ritek DL discs now burn both layers!
Better living through chemistry
thanks for help
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17. November 2006 @ 00:56 |
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just beware that Nero can't handle the layer break correctly, you're better off using a burn engine (free) such as imgburn, but you'd need to use ISO's in order to use imgburn
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17. November 2006 @ 04:31 |
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@Creaky..... just curious...... I have DVDRebuilder Pro and it has a setting to burn with ImageBurn without making an ISO! I used it many times and ImageBurn works without making ISO
just thought you'd might want to know..... although I haven't seen any setting in ImageBurn to do this but it does work with DVDRebuilder! weird, huh?
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17. November 2006 @ 04:42 |
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hadn't come across that, maybe see if you can find more info.. i thought imgburn only worked with ISO's
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17. November 2006 @ 05:02 |
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so did I and I was amazed that I didn't have to make an ISO (which DVDRebuilder can do and automatically burn with ImageBurn.... cool new features that was introduced a couple of versions ago! but in ImageBurn there is only BUILD then WRITE features that allow you to take DVD compliant files and make the image then write using the program. I think that JDobbs and Lightning UK got together and put these options together using both programs! Like I said..... cool feature for DVDRuilder Pro.... it just gets better and better!
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17. November 2006 @ 05:18 |
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JoeRyan
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17. November 2006 @ 12:46 |
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The original DL discs use a 2P (photo polymer) process to make the outer layer (L0). A dye coating is made on the plastic substrate; a semi-reflective layer is added and covered with lacquer; a spacer layer is added, and a plastic stamper is pressed into the spacer in order to place the tracking groove in LO; the spacer layer is hardened by UV light, then the plastic stamper is pulled off and thrown away. LI dye is then coated on top of the hardened spacer, and highly reflective metal is sputtered onto the dye. Then the dummy layer is bonded to the disc. This process has a lot of steps and multiple opportunities for dust, process debris, and bubbles to get between the layers and ruin the disc. In addition, there is the waste of the plastic stamper.
The inverse stack method has the bottom substrate manufactured pretty much as is. A spacer layer covers the bottom substrate as L0. Instead of being a dummy layer the upper half of the IS DL DVD is coated as L1 and bonded to the bottom half. Fewer steps; no wasted plastic stamper; better yield. The problem is that the tracking groove of L1 is upside down, and this can throw off some DL drives. Firmware updates will help, but the geometry of the IS disc has to match that of the 2P disc very closely even though the two substrates are different thicknesses. Early DL drives do not record DL discs very well; newer models are much better. When DL manufacturers switch over to inverse stack DL discs--as they must because customers are complaining about the costs of DL discs--there will be problems with them working in some drives.
Of course, some people will simply call the IS discs "landfill" and poor quality "because the other ones worked--these don't. There's the proof." It's usually more complicated than that, but no one cares to hear about it. Samples of IS DL discs are at drive manufacturers now. They may be introduced as 8X DL discs to avoid the confusion of incompatibility with new drives. Older drives will still have difficulties.
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