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kabukijo
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16. November 2006 @ 13:09 |
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hi,
I recently ripped a DL-dvd through AnyDVD (6.08.0)whitout the use of decrypter and whit good results. However, when i watched the movie through both windvd and powerdvd software players i noticed 2 pauses of about 1 sec in certain scenes. Always at the exact spot/time line it freezes for a sec not before or after. I have this problem allot lately whit new movies such as SLEVIN (very good flik btw), Final Destination 3. Then, i especially re-authored (untouched not encoded or anything)that very same scene through dvdshrink and burned it to DVD-R to find out if the problem also ocurs on my stand alone HDMI-toshiba player. And the very same thing happend precisely at the very same spot it pauses. And finaly i watched the original pressed movie on my stand alone it everything played ok no pauses!! Again, i didnt re-encoded or altered/edited the movie in anyway, i just ripped it to my harddrive using AnyDVD (6.08). Any thoughts on that is appreciated.
many tnx in advance,
urs kab,
Its like my mom always used to say : eens van de pot gerukt altijd van de pot gerukt!!!O_O
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16. November 2006 @ 21:25 |
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it probley is because of the layer break.
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16. November 2006 @ 21:28 |
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I would say layer break, does it seem to be about halfway thru movies?
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kabukijo
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17. November 2006 @ 02:49 |
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Originally posted by Lp531:
I would say layer break, does it seem to be about halfway thru movies?
First of all tnx for the quick response,
The weird part is that it doesnt occur right in the middle of the movie. Also, lets asume it is an layerbreak wouldnt it pause just once instead of several times across the movie? For instance, in the movie slevin i noticed an pause arround 15 min and a pause arround 45min and 1.16 hour always at the exact Timeframe!! For the rest the movie plays just fine. And i especialy watched some older movies i backed up using the same ripp/encode/edit strategy/software if u like and ofcourse those movies played perfect. Is there some kind of new protection involved that AnyDVD cant manage 100%? Anyway, ill try another movie in the future whit this time an up to date AnyDVD 6.08.02 as decrypter and see wot that gives. But personaly i dont think updating from AnyDVD 6.08.0 to 6.08.02 isnt such an leap forward .
I appreciate sharing ur thoughts on this,
Many tnx in advance,
Urs kabster,
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17. November 2006 @ 04:18 |
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If its doing it in multiple locations...then I'd say it's not layer break...
I don't remember any problems with Slevin...
Now final destination 3 people had problems because of "the choose their fate" option...I know I was only capable of doing movie only and it took a few diffrent trys...Its been a while for both those.
I did both with DVDFab to decrypt (FREE)
compressed with 1clickDVD
burned with Nero7
Is your firmware for your drives up to date?
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kabukijo
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17. November 2006 @ 07:19 |
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Originally posted by Lp531:
Now final destination 3 people had problems because of "the choose their fate" option...
That "fate option" was included in the first one too, and i never had problems while i watched the movie after making an full backup of it.
Originally posted by Lp531:
Is your firmware for your drives up to date?
My drive is nec-3500A fmw 2.1B = up-to-date
Apart from that pause thing problem, i dont think my drive is getting defective or anything cause i burn many OUTSTANDING DVD's according to my scan results.
I even tried dvdfab in adition whit FixvTs but to no VAIL,
Furthermore, i demuxed the audio/video streams and played only the video stream through mpeg2 players and the problem still arise!!
Oh well,..ill try to rip another movie in the future but whit an up-to-date AnyDVD asswell. Iam 99,999% sure the problem lies whitin the ripping process somehow.
tnx anyway,
Its like my mom always used to say : eens van de pot gerukt altijd van de pot gerukt!!!O_O
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17. November 2006 @ 21:00 |
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i also have not had any problems like you are having, you might try using good media, like verbs, tys, fuji, no multi tasking , or surfing net, burn slower, might be bad copys!
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17. November 2006 @ 21:33 |
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The fact you had no problem with the first movie doen't mean you can't have a problem with the second movie...I've found that movies with these type options have more errors in mastering...and decrytpters have more potential problems in handling them.
If the error appears in the files on the computer when you play them back on powerdvd...its in the decrypting process...try decrypting movie with language only...then see if error still their in same spots...If still their...don't Burn and waist another disc...all your risking is 15 minutes.
Have you searched for threads on these movies? May'be see what's there.
I've also had more problems with burning Dual layers then singles...What kind of luck have you had with dual vs single layer.
And everything "rdmercer1" said...All good and essential instructions
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18. November 2006 @ 08:49 |
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Originally posted by kabukijo:
personaly i dont think updating from AnyDVD 6.08.0 to 6.08.02 isnt such an leap forward
- whether you use paid software such as AnyDVD or free alternatives, for instance DVDFab Decrypter, you need to always keep up with updates, otherwise these programs can't be expected to keep up with the newer encryptions..
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kabukijo
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18. November 2006 @ 11:02 |
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Originally posted by rdmercer1:
i also have not had any problems like you are having, you might try using good media, like verbs, tys, fuji, no multi tasking , or surfing net, burn slower, might be bad copys!
hi rdmercer1,
I use verbatims DVD+R 16x mcc04 in adition whit my nec-3500 and they neva failed on me before on every movie i made thusfar. I only use verbatims these days just because they are the best arround and neva has failed on me before. And again its not media blank related, otherwise those pauses/stutter/freezes etc.. would appear randomly at different timestamps in my experience. Believe me, ive burned Hundreds of dvd's by now. That having said, i know certain media u need to write at lower speeds even though the certified speed is higher to gain maximum quality burns, and again that is for which I have changed definitively to verbatims. Also, i wrote in my first thread that all those problems ocured even before multitasking or any editing/encoding/transcoding/re-author anything!!! Thats why i think the problem lies whitin the ripping process. Only afterwards i re-authored (still not encoded anything) that very same scene through Nero re-code (up-to-date this time) to watch that scene on my stand alone and see if it still woud pause and ofcourse it did!!
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The fact you had no problem with the first movie doen't mean you can't have a problem with the second movie...I've found that movies with these type options have more errors in mastering...and decrytpters have more potential problems in handling them
If u refering to Final destination 2, I have not yet been able to do an full backup since i dont have the movie in my collection. But thats my next purchase,:)
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whether you use paid software such as AnyDVD or free alternatives, for instance DVDFab Decrypter, you need to always keep up with updates, otherwise these programs can't be expected to keep up with the newer encryptions..
Anydvd 6.08.00 i used was released long after the movie 'Lucky Number Slevin' wos out!! That having said, some one wrote in an thread that Slysoft fixes certain problems even before those problematic movies are released sometimes. So, i thought why update then u see. Heres the article
From jvc
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when there's an update, the history notes will tell you they did this or that, to fix a problem with such and such movie. Most of the time, the movie they are referring to, isn't even out yet!
and url = http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/417415
Ill stand my ground, that slysoft cant prevent every possible problem related to unreleased movies. But ive to admidd since i used AnyDVD a few months ago its my first weird ripping problem ive incountered. Nevertheless its still one OUTSTANDING piece of SOFTWARE everyboddy should buy to support further development of this promising Utility.
many tnx for the support and quick responses to all of u
urs kabster,
Its like my mom always used to say : eens van de pot gerukt altijd van de pot gerukt!!!O_O
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18. November 2006 @ 21:05 |
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you must be lucky i guess no one else has had a problem with the movies you are talking about but you, and you say about AnyDVD myself i don't use AnyDVD i use dvd region + css free and shrink, and every now and then i will use dvd ghost, good luck you might need it happy burning have a nice day! and by the way welcome to the forums at afterdawn
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kabukijo
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19. November 2006 @ 08:55 |
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Originally posted by rdmercer1:
you must be lucky
They better had called the movie UNLUCKYNumber Slevin yes
Originally posted by rdmercer1:
no one else has had a problem with the movies you are talking about but you
Or nobody dares to mail their bad experiences whit AnyDVD anymore out of fear for those AnyDVD hardcore fans who would start then differently flamewars (See da vinci code)
And again, i still think AnyDVD i still an great PIECE of SOFTWARE. But honestly nobody is perfect not even the creators of it.
Aside of this all, i realy am curious if u ripped that specific movie whit the latest version as of today (AnyDVD 6.8.0.2 ?) Because thats the only version of AnyDVD i still must try to rip slevin 100% good u see. Dont je find it odd that the movie rips fine up until those 2 very specific points at wich it pauses? Iam beginning to doubt if did right to keep the original movie instead of returning it for another. but then the pressed movie doenst have these problems once i watched it!?!?!?
From the minute i get back slevin ive lent out. Ill try and rip it again through latest AnyDVD and report back if u still wish to know the outcome of this mistery lol.
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welcome to the forums at afterdawn
Why, thank u very much.
Many tnx for the objective reactions here guys,
peace,
urs kab,
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19. November 2006 @ 08:59 |
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@kabukijo - how about a change of tack here. Try DVDFab Decrypter (free), either 3.0.3.5 or 3.0.3.8 Beta. or both. i have not had one movie that DVDFab can't do; whilst i don't have AnyDVD it is rare i read of problems with it. What we should do here is isolate your problem, and DVDFab is a great free way to try that...
edit- Slevin and Da Vinci Code are two i've done without issue by the way..even though i have no issues with any movies at all...
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kabukijo
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19. November 2006 @ 09:29 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
@kabukijo - how about a change of tack here. Try DVDFab Decrypter (free), either 3.0.3.5 or 3.0.3.8 Beta. or both. i have not had one movie that DVDFab can't do; whilst i don't have AnyDVD it is rare i read of problems with it. What we should do here is isolate your problem, and DVDFab is a great free way to try that...
edit- Slevin and Da Vinci Code are two i've done without issue by the way..even though i have no issues with any movies at all...
First ill try to rip the movie from the min i got it back through latest ver of AnyDVD, that way ive only got to use one program u see (through ripper AnyDVD). Afterwards ill certainly try dvdfab then decrypter again. Also, ive had movies before that i only could rip 100% fine through decrypter ONLY whitout the use of AnyDVD in the background due to reading problems!! Some AnyDVD version has had troubles in reading back movies through nec drives reporting many read erros u see. Its in the release notes of AnyDVD (see below).
6.0.4.2, 2006 07 28
- New: Added option to set the transparency of Video DVD subtitles!
This is very useful for people with large projection systems, as
bright subtitles can reduce the contrast of the image or can be
distracting. Making the subtitles transparent can greatly enhance the
viewing experience.
- Fix: AnyDVD could display "Arccos/Puppetlock" protection on copies.
- Fix: Setting the drive speed with AnyDVD could cause read errors
with some DVD drives, e.g. NEC DVD Writers.
- Some minor fixes and improvements
- Updated languages
Now i dont have those read errors anymore whit the latest AnyDVD releases. I just want to point out one of my problems i had in the past i had due to AnyDVD. And AGAIN please,iam not trying to tell u that EVERYTHING is bad about AnyDVD on the contrary. Otherwise i shouldnt use it primarily above all the rest first.
Ill post my results from the min i did all the above u and i mentioned of to try in order to make an succesfull backup.
P.S: many poeple may report good things about slevin as far it concers the ripping procces 100%, and i AGREE 100% lol. But ask them to watch the movie closely for those 1 or 2 pauses that ocurs and always at a specific time stamp. Iam confident most of them didnt noticed it or dont bother to mention that arround here.
any tnx in advance,
urs kab,
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19. November 2006 @ 09:33 |
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cool, keep us posted. As to pauses in films, i don't have any, other than the expected slight blip we all get from the layer break
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19. November 2006 @ 10:31 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
cool, keep us posted. As to pauses in films, i don't have any, other than the expected slight blip we all get from the layer break
I will creaky.
Take care for urself and eachother hehe
kabster,
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kabukijo
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20. November 2006 @ 07:10 |
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Well... here i am again reporting BAD very bad news yet also satisfying new for all those AnyDVD hardcore fans me included.
Iam afraid there's nothing to do about it other then to buy an better player i guess AGAIN DAMMNNN....
It wasnt AnyDVD all along nor my computer nor devine entervention. The problem was the pressed dvd from the start. I know i said the original dvd didnt gave me problems regarding those pauses, but i looked for the wrong timestamp. Creaky, please can u watch that movie again and look exactly for an pause at chapter 5 around 25 -26 min (right after he gets punched on the nose lol) not any further and chapter 9 between 57 - 58 min (right before the cop enters the toilet room for the first time). Also, if possible check it through windvd (ver.4.0) and powerdvd 5.0. Then ONLY ull probebly noticed those pause aswell due to an outdate softwareplayer i guess.
I know now the software players are an bit outdated, but i never expected to have this kind of problems on my brand new toshiba HDMI player TO_O. Its just 1 month old. Ive should have known that it had something to do whit picky dvd players in general. Final destination 3 is one of those very much pausable movie, until i watched it on my old cyberhome dvd player.... NO FRUSTRATING PAUSES WOT SO EVER can u believe that. This very same cyberhome player gave me allot of other problems like playing my movie out of synchronisation when skipping the movie by chapter u see. The audio played too early or even stutters. But never have had problems whit the smooth video playback. That pisses me off, whit their crappy products they sell always. Its always something bad about stuff one buy these days. And the wurst part is, u never noticed it untill its too late. Or, those protection s are getting to complex for the standalone player to handle maybe. But then again whit or whitout protection ive got this problem. Because, i shouldnt have those protections anymory after i ripped the movie to my hd, RIGHT?
So, thats my story.....
urs kabster,
P.S: U can shoot me now.
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20. November 2006 @ 09:28 |
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i knew it wouldn't be the software rippers. Plus i don't hold much faith in any software DVD players (Windows or Linux players), they work, but never well enough to trust them over a trusty standalone DVD player. As to Cyberhome they make some outstanding players, notably the tiny CH-DVD 400 players, absolutely rock-solid players. However i recently bought one of Cyberhome's newer players, the 635S or something, it was utterly appalling, out of sync playback, skipping, awful noises from the player etc.
Even my trusty Samsung HD-850 HDMI player does some odd things once in a while but with playback it's 100% rock-solid.
I still maintain that the pause you're seeing is the layer break
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20. November 2006 @ 15:07 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
i knew it wouldn't be the software rippers. Plus i don't hold much faith in any software DVD players (Windows or Linux players), they work, but never well enough to trust them over a trusty standalone DVD player. As to Cyberhome they make some outstanding players, notably the tiny CH-DVD 400 players, absolutely rock-solid players. However i recently bought one of Cyberhome's newer players, the 635S or something, it was utterly appalling, out of sync playback, skipping, awful noises from the player etc.
Even my trusty Samsung HD-850 HDMI player does some odd things once in a while but with playback it's 100% rock-solid.
I still maintain that the pause you're seeing is the layer break
My cyberhome was indeed an CH-402. I needed to flash its firmware on the day i bought it to make my backups playable lol. But since then that beast ate everything and i mean everything i threw to him. It still plays fine aslong as i dont skip chapters too often or it will give me audio/video synch prob (Age prob i guess). But something about ur samsung is not clear to me, u say it act strange yet it plays fine 100%. Can u explain that to me. Also, how can it be a layerbreak? I have several pauses, but they are indeed on very specific spots. And i have them while watching original pressed dvd's!!?? It shoudlnt do that whit originals unless its an very pikky player. I dont know wot/where/how the problem lies anymore. The last few days since ive post this issue i have watched recently mi-3 and inside man and oh kill bill 1 and 2 just fine on my hdmi player. Those were all backups no originals. Once upon a time i needed to decrypt them too in order to ripp it didnt i? So, why does it play fine whit one dvd and bad whit another? The only thing i can think of is an picky player at the moment... Because my older cyberhome doesnt show those pauses!! Oh well, thats about all i can do in narrowing down the source of the problem. The future will tell...
many thnx again creak,
urs kabster
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20. November 2006 @ 21:23 |
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my player sometimes locks up when i switch it on, a power cycle always solves it; just making the point that most technology throws an intermittent fit from time to time. That is odd if your pauses are more than once
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21. November 2006 @ 10:24 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
That is odd if your pauses are more than once
Tell me about it.... I dont know wot to think anymore other then to think that theres something fishy about my new hdmi player. Of all my latest movies there are only 2 or 3 movies that have those pauses AND ALWAYS AT VERY SPECIFIC TIMESTAMPS ..!! Maybe, theres an firmware for this player aswell roaming the net like whit my cyberhome i the past. But i found nothing yet. Also, toshiba make most of the time quality products yes, but the aftersale service SUCKS big time to say the least. No companys in my country to rely on, only Toshiba farmacuticals companys lol.
urs kabster
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21. November 2006 @ 13:59 |
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To conclude this mistery,
Iam glad to report an FULL succesfull backup of The Da Vincy Code today. I especialy watched the da vincy backup to check the results. And ive had not 1 SINGLE Pause in the movie during playback. And the playtime of the movie is almost 3 HOURS no less, not to mention all sorts of protections AnyDVD had to bypass i.e: puppetlock, sony across etc...!!!! Can u believe this!!! Honestly, everything is starting to point in the direction of my dvd player or pressed dvd's i bought as the source of my problems earlier.
Once again, i want to thank everyboddy for sharing their thoughts regarding this.
take care,
urs kabukijo,
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