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Is it true that I shouldn't use Memorex disks for games?
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AwesomeJJ
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18. November 2006 @ 13:28 |
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I heard that they are completely crap and the loading times are awful. Also that they damage your PS2 laser and you should avoid them completely.
If it's true, then which disks are great for burning games?
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18. November 2006 @ 14:17 |
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memorsux are some of the poorest quality media available.
Most members will recommend Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden
I use Taiyo Yuden myself and get them from the online store below.
http://www.supermediastore.com/
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18. November 2006 @ 14:23 |
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@larrylje,
I respectively disagree with your statement about not using Memosux disks for games,
These are my favorite games to play with Memosux (CMC-MAG Disks)
1.Skeet Shooting.
2.Road Kill
3.Buried Treasure.
There, they do have a use, just not for burning PS-2 games or the like.
Seriously, try and get ahold of the Taiyo Yuden 8X speed DVD's, they seem to be the most stable and the best choice for gaming backups.
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18. November 2006 @ 14:31 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
@larrylje,
I respectively disagree with your statement about not using Memosux disks for games.
These are my favorite games to play with Memosux (CMC-MAG Disks)
1.Skeet Shooting.
2.Road Kill
3.Buried Treasure.
There, they do have a use, just not for burning PS-2 games or the like.
Seriously, try and get ahold of the Taiyo Yuden 8X speed DVD's, they seem to be the most stable and the best choice for gaming backups.
I respectively say that your reply makes no sense.
Lets break your reply down...
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I respectively disagree with your statement about not using Memosux disks for games.
When did I say not to use Memorsux with games? I said memorsux are some of the poorest quality media available
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These are my favorite games to play with Memosux (CMC-MAG Disks)
1.Skeet Shooting.
2.Road Kill
3.Buried Treasure.
As to your Sig that says Friends don't let Friends burn CMC-Mags.(You must have some S**Ty Friends)
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they do have a use, just not for burning PS-2 games
I could use them as drink coasters but that doesn't mean id go buy them and with my reply of memorsux is some of the poorest media you can get I pretty much am telling him not to use them for his PS2 backups.
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Seriously, try and get ahold of the Taiyo Yuden 8X speed DVD's, they seem to be the most stable and the best choice for gaming backups.
Again agreeing with me when I said to get some TYs or Verbatims.
So you can respectively disagree with me all you want(Even tho you agreed with me) but if the media are poor for Video Game Backups or DVD Backups then I will still respectively stick to my opinion and say THEY ARE CRAP!
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18. November 2006 @ 15:38 |
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I Agree with your disagreement, perhaps I wrote this much too hastily,
Memosux, and CMC are the worst to use.
Seeing as to the original question was about using them for PS-2 games, went along with the original theme.
Hence in honest speak,
stay away from CMC-Mag disks
Use the good stuff.
If you must use CMC for games, destructive ones are the best, don't back up anything important on Memosux media.
Okay?
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JoeRyan
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20. November 2006 @ 13:40 |
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Discs cannot damage a laser unless they physically contact the lens. There were early cases of Pioneer drives not being able to read 4X discs and burning out their lasers in the attempt to read them--or the drive in spinning up and down--unless the user intervened; but a firmware fix took care of that problem. That was not the fault of the discs or even the drive, just some short-sighted engineering that Pioneer took care of in a very professional way.
You will hear a lot of opinions on this site such as "poorest quality media available." Facts depend on specifics (specifications and data), but you will not find them here. Opinions can come from anywhere. Take what you read with a grain of salt.
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20. November 2006 @ 14:58 |
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the facts are that crap media uses dye that degrades quickly...memorex is the most notorious user of such horrid dye.
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20. November 2006 @ 21:15 |
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Originally posted by JoeRyan:
Take what you read with a grain of salt.
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21. November 2006 @ 01:43 |
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I heard that they are completely crap and the loading times are awful
'Tis true what you hear...it appears the only one who doesnt believe it is joeryan.
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kevinko
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21. November 2006 @ 03:16 |
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Originally posted by JoeRyan:
Discs cannot damage a laser unless they physically contact the lens. There were early cases of Pioneer drives not being able to read 4X discs and burning out their lasers in the attempt to read them--or the drive in spinning up and down--unless the user intervened; but a firmware fix took care of that problem. That was not the fault of the discs or even the drive, just some short-sighted engineering that Pioneer took care of in a very professional way.
You will hear a lot of opinions on this site such as "poorest quality media available." Facts depend on specifics (specifications and data), but you will not find them here. Opinions can come from anywhere. Take what you read with a grain of salt.
i think he was mainly referring to the ps2, and yes, crappy media can wear out the laser, but most times it just doesnt read/boot it at all. and if it were to boot the game on crappy media, the ps2 would have a hard time reading it. and Auslander's statement about the dye is also true
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JoeRyan
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21. November 2006 @ 06:53 |
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"the facts are that crap media uses dye that degrades quickly...memorex is the most notorious user of such horrid dye."
Ritek uses azo-cyanine and cyanine. CMC uses azo-cyanine and cyanine. Prodisc uses azo-cyanine and oxonol. Taiyo Yuden uses azo cyanine. MKK uses azo-cyanine. The most stable dye in ISO 18927 testing (of course you realize that this an adaptation since ISO 18927 only refers to CD-Rs--but the Eyring principle is the same) is proving to be oxonol. The azo-cyanine dyes do come from a variety of sources including Ciba Geigi, MKK, Ricoh, and TDK. To which dye are you referring? Are you basing your information on other test results?
And no, a dye cannot wear out a laser diode unless its a recording laser running at higher power levels (well over 100 milliwatts, steady state) and the instruction set is messed up so the the drive does not receive proper command codes once it has attempted so many write passes. The same is true of a reading laser, but its power levels are at least one tenth that of a write laser.
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21. November 2006 @ 07:04 |
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you were on the high school debate team, weren't you? i would love to sit around and watch those guys. they argued inaccurate and purely false points right into the ground, normally making utter fools of themselves. quite good entertainment.
cheap quality dye rots. it's the simple truth. argue it however you want, but you're fighting an uphill battle against one of the right answers.
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JoeRyan
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21. November 2006 @ 07:15 |
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No, I never debated. Actually I work on several industry committees writing the test standards for archivability testing for optical, magnetic, and opto-magnetic testing. I worked for 20 years for the largest dye manufacturer in the world, concentrating on storage media and magnetic pigments. I've heard that "dye rots," but no physicist or chemist I know has ever seen an example or would ever make such a claim. Maybe they are not simple enough to see the truth.
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Auslander
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21. November 2006 @ 07:21 |
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i'll go with the confirmed observations of long-time trusted members, as well as myself, any day over your claims.
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kevinko
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21. November 2006 @ 15:18 |
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so you've successfully burned a ps2 game that booted using memorex meedia? and with no skips or stuttering? a flawless burn? hard to believe
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26. November 2006 @ 06:03 |
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Test standards can be written to achieve whatever results the writers choose.
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AwesomeJJ
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26. November 2006 @ 12:52 |
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Thanks people for your help.
I bought some Verbatim disks and they are so beautiful at reading games, and it doesn't make my PS2 "spasm" when it loads something, also PS2's loading times are quicker and music doesnt' stop during season mode and the menu music ^_^
I was using them for SvR07 BTW.
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26. November 2006 @ 14:04 |
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glad to hear that lol verbatims are awesome :D
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26. November 2006 @ 15:36 |
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I've heard that "dye rots," but no physicist or chemist I know has ever seen an example or would ever make such a claim. Maybe they are not simple enough to see the truth.
and they thought the Titanic was unsinkable.
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26. November 2006 @ 15:59 |
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Originally posted by kevinko:
so you've successfully burned a ps2 game that booted using memorex meedia? and with no skips or stuttering? a flawless burn? hard to believe
I have used memorex on several occasions in the past and they work fine... They work flawlessly actually even after a year old, but since Verbs and TY are so highly recommended I switched just to be safe. I pick Verbs up while they are on sale and I also find good deals online so its not like I'm spending more for the Verbs.
In the end it was a Taiyo Yuden (TYG-02) that fried the LA chip in my PS2. Go figure. I'm not saying TY are bad but I'm just clarifying that there is no invincible media. (If only I had performed the romeo mod... Doh!)
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26. November 2006 @ 18:48 |
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@Joshewar
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I also find good deals online
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In the end it was a Taiyo Yuden (TYG-02) that fried the LA chip in my PS2.
There is a good chance that the discs you purchased on line were NOT GENUINE
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26. November 2006 @ 20:50 |
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They were legit. I'm 100% positive. They are Sony 8X MIJ with the white octagonal spacer. Decrypter and DVDinfopro both showed that they were Taiyo Yuden and the Hub codes match that of the codes in Doc's thread. I was just pointing out the irony that I was using Verbs, Taiyo Yuden and CMC-Mag (memorex/TDK) and it was the Yuden that ended my PS2 lol. It was all my fault for not performing the romeo mod to regulate the voltage on my v9 PS2. I don't blame the Yudens, I blame myself. I just though it was ironic is all...
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30. November 2006 @ 23:18 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
@larrylje,
I respectively disagree with your statement about not using Memosux disks for games,
These are my favorite games to play with Memosux (CMC-MAG Disks)
1.Skeet Shooting.
2.Road Kill
3.Buried Treasure.
There, they do have a use, just not for burning PS-2 games or the like.
Seriously, try and get ahold of the Taiyo Yuden 8X speed DVD's, they seem to be the most stable and the best choice for gaming backups.
You left out Game # 4 BlivetNc - Lightning strike ( Put a Memosux or CMC in a microwave and Nuke it ) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crackle Spark spark !!! Like lightning in a bottle LOL! - ( Disclaimer don't try this period & don't buy Crappy media ) !!!! LOL !!! The Horror , The horror !!!!!!!!!!!!! Zappy oops! I mean happy holidays!!!!
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