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Playo DVD- and DVD+, good deal, code out as Verbatim
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LTD1
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2. February 2007 @ 18:53 |
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I think I got an excellent deal. What do you guys think.
I got a 60pk of Playo DVD-R and a 60pk DVD+ for $3 each after rebates. I think that's a very good deal even for not so good media. But even better, they code out as verbatim.
Disc type: : DVD-R
Book Type : DVD-R
Manufacturer: : Verbatim
MID : MCC 03RG20
Disc type: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD-ROM
Manufacturer: : Verbatim
MID : MCC 004 (000)
The cake boxes were broken in some places, but the discs themselves are intact and work perfectly. I think they might have been damaged during transit because the box in which I received them was smashed up a bit.
Anyway, what do you guys think, are these legit verbatim?
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3. February 2007 @ 10:25 |
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Those are 16x playos and coding as Verbatim??? You lucky dog!!!!!
I picked up some of the older 8x a long time ago-staples- and they coded as UME and AML-pretty crappy manufacturers. Those playo rebates take a long time.
Congrats on the find!!!
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3. February 2007 @ 15:02 |
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Anyway, what do you guys think, are these legit verbatim?
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I use Verbatim Disks almost exclusively and have used many, +RW, +R, -R
The ID read out
+RW Mfg, Name -- Mitsubishi Kanaku Media
Mfg. ID ----- MKM
+R Mfg, Name -- Mitsubishi Chemical Corp
Mfg, ID ------ MCC
-R Same as the +R
Verbatim disks are, and are made by Mitsubishi
As far as I know the disks are made In Japan, Tawan, Singapore
I have disks made in Japan and Tawan Both read the same as above
I?ve left out some numbers as they can vary but have Not Seen any with Verbatim as the Mfg Name
The Verbatim are very good Disks.
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mrchub
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16. March 2007 @ 14:15 |
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So has anyone definitively confirmed if these Play-O discs which code out as Verbatim are actually Verbatim? I assume they are since they've been on the market so long and are being sold at major retailers like Staples. You'd think if they were fakes that they'd have been removed by reputable retailers by now.
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na_tra
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16. March 2007 @ 21:47 |
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LTD: do you have the website or store where you bought those Ds from?
Thanks
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mrchub
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16. March 2007 @ 22:20 |
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Play-O discs are frequently on sale at Staples, as they will be starting this Sunday.
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Negritude
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16. March 2007 @ 23:08 |
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Originally posted by mrchub:
So has anyone definitively confirmed if these Play-O discs which code out as Verbatim are actually Verbatim? I assume they are since they've been on the market so long and are being sold at major retailers like Staples. You'd think if they were fakes that they'd have been removed by reputable retailers by now.
They're fakes. They are not real Verbs. Real Verbs can be identified by hub codes and the place of manufacture, and Playos don't fit the description. The Playos burn OK, but longevity and long-term stability is another matter altogether.
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mwong168
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19. March 2007 @ 10:48 |
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I used PlayO before the codes I was getting on mine were TYG02 which is the same as Taiyo Yuden premium grade. I know for a fact these were not Taiyo Yudens because the disc quality test was horrible especially towards the outter edge of the disc at the end of the test.
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mrchub
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19. March 2007 @ 11:01 |
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So first they faked TY codes, and now they're faking Verb ones. Go Play-O!!!
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mwong168
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19. March 2007 @ 11:57 |
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Originally posted by mrchub:
So first they faked TY codes, and now they're faking Verb ones. Go Play-O!!!
Well I don't think they faked the TY code on purpose, there is nothing stopping any company from using TY as a code for their disc. There is generic medit out there that use TY as the media code and try to push the product as Taiyo Yuden. I used PlayO before and not sure if I would use it again. Most of the time you get what you pay for and there is nothing that pisses me off most when I can't the data off my discs.
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mrchub
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19. March 2007 @ 12:08 |
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Well I don't think they faked the TY code on purpose, there is nothing stopping any company from using TY as a code for their disc. There is generic medit out there that use TY as the media code and try to push the product as Taiyo Yuden...
This makes no sense. OF COURSE they faked the TY code on purpose (just as any generic disc-maker does when they try to pass their product off as something it isn't). You think they randomly came up with a media code that just happened to be identical to TY's? That's like saying that manufacturers of knock-off Nike sneakers don't use the Nike "swoosh" insignia on purpose! LOL
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19. March 2007 @ 12:37 |
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Staple's has those playo's on sale this week. Spindle of 60:
$27.98 less $1 instant savings and a $20 easy rebate for a grand total of $6.98
$6.98 without the rebate bs,then I would consider trying them for expiramenting with.
All spindles said Made in China,so I ignored them a got a 100 pk of sony for $24.98
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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Negritude
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19. March 2007 @ 13:16 |
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This makes no sense. OF COURSE they faked the TY code on purpose (just as any generic disc-maker does when they try to pass their product off as something it isn't). You think they randomly came up with a media code that just happened to be identical to TY's? That's like saying that manufacturers of knock-off Nike sneakers don't use the Nike "swoosh" insignia on purpose! LOL
Consumers aren't even supposed to know what media codes are, so technically, there is no such thing as a "fake" media code. A media code is supposed to be something that's hidden, that a brand uses to determine how a disk is burned. Consumers are only supposed to know what brand of disk it is they are buying, and that's all you are being sold. If the company that brands a disk tried to sell it to you based on the actual manufactuer, then you could say they were lying or faking their codes, but you're not even supposed to know about that anyway. As far as most companies are concerned, media codes are none of your business.
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mrchub
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19. March 2007 @ 13:51 |
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Consumers aren't even supposed to know what media codes are, so technically, there is no such thing as a "fake" media code. A media code is supposed to be something that's hidden, that a brand uses to determine how a disk is burned. Consumers are only supposed to know what brand of disk it is they are buying, and that's all you are being sold. If the company that brands a disk tried to sell it to you based on the actual manufactuer, then you could say they were lying or faking their codes, but you're not even supposed to know about that anyway. As far as most companies are concerned, media codes are none of your business.
Except that media companies know that users like us, who buy in bulk and participate in forums like this, DO care about media codes and have software installed which identifies such codes. Since we're also the type to look for deals, we'll try to find which brand of a certain code is cheapest, hence the entire reason for trying to pass your budget brand off as something better than it is.
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mwong168
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20. March 2007 @ 07:51 |
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I found some PlayO lying around that I bought from superdealproducts.com and for fun I did a quick disc quality test in my Lite On drive and the results aren't too bad.
Not sure if someone can chime in here and help interpret them but the PI #'s look pretty low to me.
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Negritude
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20. March 2007 @ 12:17 |
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Except that media companies know that users like us, who buy in bulk and participate in forums like this, DO care about media codes and have software installed which identifies such codes. Since we're also the type to look for deals, we'll try to find which brand of a certain code is cheapest, hence the entire reason for trying to pass your budget brand off as something better than it is.
We're a small part of the market, and we don't count as the standard consumer. You're projecting yourself to be more important to companies than you are.
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mrchub
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20. March 2007 @ 16:20 |
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We're a small part of the market, and we don't count as the standard consumer. You're projecting yourself to be more important to companies than you are.
Nonsense. The only reason to fake codes is if someone is watching, even if that someone is a small percentage of the buying public. Is the casual, browse-the-aisles-and-buy-whatever-is-on-sale customer watching? Obviously not, and the media manufacturers know that. But they also know that people like those here, who typically burn hundreds or thousands of discs, look at the codes in order to identify the real manufacturer and look for deals.
If I'm wrong then why, exactly, would Play-O (or any other maker of 2nd-rate media) use a code identical to that of the two top dogs, TY and Verbatim? They would have no reason not to have their own media code based on their true manufacturer's name. It is completely implausible that it could be coincidence. Also, have you ever heard of a brand faking TDK or Ritek codes? If not, why not? The answer is obvious.
Similarly, what's your explanation for why certain brands have faked media codes in the past, and gotten caught doing it? There have been dozens of posts by users here and elsewhere about buying fake TY media online. I even had my supplier, Meritline at the time, acknowledge as much and then refund my money. The discs I bought were being passed off as TY because of a bogus media code. Once again, the only reason a brand would do this is to pretend they're selling something they're not, though I'm certainly open to your alternative explanation, since you apparently have one.
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LTD1
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20. March 2007 @ 20:20 |
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...well, regardless of whether they are fake or not, they've worked great so far. I've used them to back up PS2 games and DVD movies and they work great.
The quality scan using one of my drives (a lite-on DVD/CD-RW combo) almost always gives them a 0 score, but it also almost always gives a 0 score to the originals too! So that's not a good indicator.
Another drive (i/o magic DVDRW 16X) gives scores ranging from 80-90.
I usually test at 8X. Scans at 4X give better results.
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mrchub
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20. March 2007 @ 20:41 |
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Originally posted by LTD1:
...well, regardless of whether they are fake or not, they've worked great so far. I've used them to back up PS2 games and DVD movies and they work great.
The quality scan using one of my drives (a lite-on DVD/CD-RW combo) almost always gives them a 0 score, but it also almost always gives a 0 score to the originals too! So that's not a good indicator.
Another drive (i/o magic DVDRW 16X) gives scores ranging from 80-90.
I usually test at 8X. Scans at 4X give better results.
Yes, that's the most important thing in this case, fake codes or not. I've got nothing against fake codes as long as the media are good! Lots of people have said positive things about the burns of these Play-O discs, though I wonder how well they'll play back after six months or a year.
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Negritude
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22. March 2007 @ 00:42 |
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If I'm wrong then why, exactly, would Play-O (or any other maker of 2nd-rate media) use a code identical to that of the two top dogs, TY and Verbatim? They would have no reason not to have their own media code based on their true manufacturer's name.
Because many burners have poor firmware support for media from smaller manufacturers, and using a more widely supported code insures that the media will burn with something other than a generic write strategy. You can see the difference, for example, in how the Playo media with UME or AML media codes burns, as opposed to using MCC codes. The MCC coded media burns better and with fewer problems. That's because burners are more likely to know what to do with an MCC code rather than an off-brand code from Hong Kong.
Also, it's nonsense to try and fool geeks. No manufacturer is stupid enough to think that they could fool self-evidently tech-savvy users and geeks. Your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. If they know we are watching, that would be a specific reason not to bother trying to fake anything, 'cause it never works.
Selling media as being manufactured by a particular company when it's unbranded is a completely different issue. Unbranded media is only sold to geeks, so in that case, it would be a case of intentional deception. Branded media on the other hand is such that the assumption is that the majority of those using not only don't know anything about media codes, but they don't care. They just want their burns to work.
In other words, the use of fake media codes with something like Playo media is a totally different issue from the use of fake media codes with something that is being sold and marketed as genuine Taiyo Yuden media. One is just trying to make their media work in a wider range of burners, and the other is just fraud.
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mrchub
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22. March 2007 @ 10:36 |
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Because many burners have poor firmware support for media from smaller manufacturers, and using a more widely supported code insures that the media will burn with something other than a generic write strategy.
Perhaps there's some truth here, but if this were the actual reason why manufacturers were using bogus codes then why would any manufacturer use a code that isn't TY- or MCC-based? Why would any manufacturer risk incompatibility by using a code other than one readily known to every burner on the market? Wouldn't it simply be easier for every new disc that hits the market to have a known TY or MCC media code? And yet this isn't the case. Why? Because manufacturers which fake their media codes are being deceptive, pure and simple. Besides, even if the fake code gets a burner to recognize it still isn't going to ensure a good burn (or good stand-alone playback). It will, however, at least initially guarantee that some people will be tempted to try such new media as buzz of its media code gets around.
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Also, it's nonsense to try and fool geeks. No manufacturer is stupid enough to think that they could fool self-evidently tech-savvy users and geeks. Your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. If they know we are watching, that would be a specific reason not to bother trying to fake anything, 'cause it never works.
Unfortunately, this simply isn't true. Again, forums like this and others are littered with accounts by tech-savvy users who got burned (no pun intended, or perhaps it is). The reason is that legitimate TY's and Verbs do, occasionally, come out under different authorized brand names. Finding that new brand, if it's legit, may mean finding a deal. Will deception like this work for long? Of course not, because stories circle quickly, but it has worked nonetheless.
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Branded media on the other hand is such that the assumption is that the majority of those using not only don't know anything about media codes, but they don't care. They just want their burns to work.
Then why is this discussion taking place? It's because geeks want to know if a particular brand of media is actually Verb or TY or not. Geeks also look for deals at the regular B&M retailers, so they'll be just as interested in the code of Play-O (or of that crappy NexTech or whatever it is at Circuit City) as they are in the code of an unbranded product they're buying at Supermediastore.com or an online seller.
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In other words, the use of fake media codes with something like Playo media is a totally different issue from the use of fake media codes with something that is being sold and marketed as genuine Taiyo Yuden media. One is just trying to make their media work in a wider range of burners, and the other is just fraud.
No. You've come up with a specious explanation here. (Whose argument doesn't hold water?)
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22. March 2007 @ 12:48 |
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Then why is this discussion taking place? It's because geeks...
Like I said before, you're conflating geekdom with regular users, and they're different audiences.
Branded media is sold as a brand, not a media code or manufacturer, and only a subset of people care about what's under the hood.
Unbranded media is supposed to be direct from the manufacturer, so anything that differs from that is outright fraud.
I already gave a very concrete and explicit example with Playo of the difference in burning quality that the use of a media code makes. The reason that everyone doesn't use the same media code is because all media isn't the same. A brand will use a media code that comes closest to giving passable burns with their disks. GQ media, the cheap brand sold at places like Fry's Electronics, often use a Sony media code for their disks, and people get acceptable results with them. If they used something else, then they might burn completely like crap.
Larger manufacturers of media don't have to deal with this, because their media is already supported, so they get to use their own codes. They work with drive manufacturers to make sure that their codes are included in firmware, so they don't need to use someone else's codes. It's only the lower-tier companies that don't have the same kind of budget or access, that often piggyback off another code.
Also, real geeks know that the only true way to distinguish the actual manufacturers of media is through hub codes and serial numbers. Media codes are not the way to properly identify manufacturers. They can sometimes give a clue, but they are really not reliable.
It's really quite simple, but some folks want to see boogeymen where there are none.
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mrchub
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22. March 2007 @ 13:45 |
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Like I said before, you're conflating geekdom with regular users, and they're different audiences.
Yes they're different audiences, but no to the conflation charge, as I've explained ad nauseam.
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Also, real geeks know that the only true way to distinguish the actual manufacturers of media is through hub codes and serial numbers.
Hub codes and serial numbers can be faked as easily as any other identifying characteristic if someone is determined.
In any event, we'll continue to disagree. On that we can agree.
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