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7. January 2006 @ 14:43 |
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Oh come on, just one more. 4 times isn't enough.
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7. January 2006 @ 14:48 |
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Just for you. LOL
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7. January 2006 @ 14:49 |
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LOL... Soph, time to get out of the Kickapoo joy juice lad. Those links are giving me the Imageshack page and you're posting the tiny pics too small to read. I know you know how to do it right. You keep it up and there'll be nothing for me. All this posting, I think it's time I get a new brew.
Soph, is an old P2 server worth anything other than weight to keep the garbage can from blowing away? I was given one because it was in the way. My son just installed new equipment in his clinic and the old server was just in the way. I suspect the new keyboard and ethernet cables he gave me may be worth more. LOL
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7. January 2006 @ 14:52 |
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Okay, I see things are working better now. Soph, bite me. Save a brewski for the rest of us. LOL I may even go for a Bloody Caesar now. LOL
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7. January 2006 @ 14:52 |
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The case and the power supply might be salvageable.
The Da#N images kept coming up small but the last one worked.
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7. January 2006 @ 15:00 |
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Mmmm! Bloody Mary's. Caesar's are better. Mmmm!
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7. January 2006 @ 15:29 |
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Mmmm! Bloody Mary's. Caesar's are better. Mmmm!
We're in agreement and using Absolut of course.
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7. January 2006 @ 15:40 |
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Absolutly!
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7. January 2006 @ 15:47 |
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CPU-Z please... thanks :)
You have a screamer on your hands!!!
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7. January 2006 @ 16:07 |
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If you guys want an awesome AMD processor identification utility download it from this link from majorgeeks
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Central_Brain_Identifier_d3538.html
that is what i use it is pretty awesome and pretty thorough, you can even adjust things and change the name of your processor. It is safe too, it doesnt install like regular programs, you just download it, drag the shortcut to desktop, send the files to a folder and then you have it, just click on teh green skull and it will tell you everything, it is pretty good and the most thorough.
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AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
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7. January 2006 @ 16:19 |
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I made a war between nvidia and ati, but hopefully all is forgiven. Here is my benchmark scores. I used equivalent as possible cpu to min which is in my sig. Now I really do believe amd is faster than intel even know it runs at a slower hertz.:>
Mine actually beat a 3600 intel extreme edition even know im running single channel ram at pc2700 to boot. Wonder how much better it will get with pc3200 dual channel..hmmm! Oh and this is stock not oc. These scores seem good so anybody know why I get low futuremark scores like 5000 or 6000? Which dont make sense cause I have a bfg 6800 gt oc edition.:>
epox mobo EP-9NPAJ
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Ibm P260 dvi & vga 21 inch crt monitor 1600 x 1200 @ 85 htz Oh yeah!!
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7. January 2006 @ 16:21 |
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7. January 2006 @ 16:22 |
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I used it today. I was curious as to why CPU-Z identified my CPU as a Toledo core instead of Denmark. I always suspected that the Opty 175 and the X2 4400 were the same CPU and now I know that they are. The only difference is that the Opty 175 comes out with better silicon and is binned with higher standards. It works like this, suppose you had a choice between the X2 4400 and the now fictional 4400 Xtra? The Xtar is the same but runs a little faster and is more stable and all you have to do to ge a good chip is to pay a few dollars more, would you do it?
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7. January 2006 @ 16:25 |
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The funny thing is, I thought those were pop-ups so I tried deleting them.
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7. January 2006 @ 16:27 |
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That is funny! LOL
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7. January 2006 @ 16:31 |
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I fealt so retarded when I did it. I just kept cliking X but nothing happened, there was somthing in my brain that said "DESTROY THEM!". It must be an Internet surfing reflex.
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7. January 2006 @ 16:42 |
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This is my top speed reliably at this voltage with my x2 3800.
I'm figuring the Optetron you have will do a solid 3.0 ghz
Donald
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7. January 2006 @ 16:50 |
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central brain identifier is a different tool than cpuid or that other one. However, there may be some chipsets that may not work fully but most it does. central brain identifier is really good and will tell you more details.
As a rule, i dont usually buy the first product out. I figure that after a while and a few more models after or revisions the bugs may be worked out as well as price going down. It would depend on how much more money and as well what type of performance increase. I dindt need to upgrade to this 3500+ venice from my 3200+ winchester, but I do notice a big speed increase, and the 3200+ is fast. Heck, ATI has not fully supported my all-in-wonder 9800pro in x64 xp pro yet, drivers yes, but not the multimedia center, so i cant use my tv tuner yet on the x64. I have had x64 since the prerelease and this was i think jeepers almost 2 years ago. I downloaded it burned the iso image and installed it. It runs good, but even though it is full edition release i have it still has a lot of support missing. But, it runs really fast. I have clonedvd2 and I have as you can see by my signature x64 on a 7200rpm hardrive and my xp 32bit on my raptor drive. Burning the same movie on both operating systems in this one computer, the x64 it burned the same movie 5 minutes faster!!! and in taskmanager it had the burning software as emulated!! by the *beside the process signifying emulated 32bit. One would think that 10,000rpm would beat a 7200rpm ide hardrive especially emulated. I shouldnt have bought the all-in-wonder, I should have bought the 9800pro and a tv tuner by phillips separate and saved money. I tend to want to wait. i bought teh 3500+ for the same amount as I bought the 3200+ winchester. I think a lot of performance is perception. I am going to conduct experiments and I am going to have people use computers Intel and AMD and lie and tell them they are the other way around and see what they think and of course there is other aspects I will try out to see perception in view of speed. I think a lot of performance, well, say you have one processor that does a job faster but starts up slower and the other finishes the job slower, but starts up faster and the difference is not that much, what one would I choose? I would choose the one who has the better latency. I like to click on a program and have it react fast and not stall even if in the long run the one that starts slower may finish it quicker, to notice the diffreence that would be a good experiment to see what the person can actually notice explicitly.
I buy AMD because of the consolidation on a motherboard and performance, and price and having had no problems and no temperature issues whatsoever. And I know people who have had problems with Intel wiht heat and I would not want to build a system for someone and than have them need to use the warranty because of heat. Having known a small number of people with computers and the hgih amount of heat issues personally besides what is seen on newegg and in reviews, this makes me very hesitant on going there. My headaches with nvidia video cards has driven me away from Nvidia chipsets and is why i use VIA. VIA has always treated me well with the boards I have used, besides the floppy raid driver needing to be to install iwndows. I will never forget my old computer shutting down and restrating juts like a phone hanging up lol. I called the place in new york and asked them to send me a 9200se instead of a fx5200 in return and it solved the problem aqnd i noticed so many differences which I liked, that is how i came to ATI as a customer, and my laptop wtih the 200 xpress chipset runs good. I have pondered that question about how much money for % of performance. I would pay more for stability than performance. I think the performance would have to be considerable for me to pay more. This kind of contradicts myself becaues I should have waited and bought the 3700+ instead of going from 3200+ to 3500+ however, it is noticably faster. I actually should have bought the 3800+ athlonx2. I wouldnt see the need to get the 4800+ nor teh 4000+, I think you would be just as good with the 3700+ or even this one really, like with the athlonx2 my logic would be for a high end woudl be to get either the 3800+ or 44 or 4600+, I dont really think getting the top one is necessary.
Here are the prices from pricewatch below
$780 - athlon 64 x2 4800 dual core
$625 - athlon 64 x2 4600 dual core
$490 - athlon 64 x2 4400 dual core
$395 - athlon 64 x2 4200 dual core
$315 - athlon 64 x2 3800 dual core
$1000 - athlon 64 fx 57
$795 - athlon 64 fx 55
$325 - athlon 64 4000
$325 - athlon 64 4000 90nm rev
$275 - athlon 64 3800
$289 - athlon 64 3800 512k 90nm rev e
$212 - athlon 64 3700
$218 - athlon 64 3700 90nm rev
$200 - athlon 64 3500
$200 - athlon 64 3500 939pin
$200 - athlon 64 3500 90nm 939pin
$200 - athlon 64 3500 512k 90nm rev e
$153 - athlon 64 3400
$139 - athlon 64 3200
as you can see the prices I wouldnt justify spending the differences from the top from the third or fgourth from the top. 325 from 212 I wouldnt spend that much more for the 4000+ i would get the 3700+ personally. the 4400+ i would buy that as my high end x2. For twice teh price I would expect twice the performance lol.
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system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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7. January 2006 @ 17:05 |
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I'm figuring the Optetron you have will do a solid 3.0 ghz
I was thinking more along the lines of 2.9 but remember how long it took me to move my venice to 2.753 Ghz. LOL
I don't seen any reason to push things until I've done a good burn-in.
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7. January 2006 @ 17:17 |
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I don't seen any reason to push things until I've done a good burn-in.
At 2.7 ghz I think that ship has sailed. Burned in and ready to go.
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7. January 2006 @ 17:29 |
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You have to remember that I also look for ways to increase my memory performance. I've already been able to boot beyond 2.8 Ghz but when I ran RB/CCE it crashed. I will not give up a command rate pf 1T but if I went to 2T it would be a piece of cake.
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7. January 2006 @ 18:10 |
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Looking good Soph... Dual Core? New Harley? Dual Core? New Harley... The decisions a man is faced with. LOL The wife would have some serious complaints if I turn up with both in the same year. ;)
Guess we'll just have to hang out and talk tech until something new happens. We know AMD has the best "mousetrap" for now. Looks like the ball is now in Intel's court. I'm wondering if the new systems will be all they're said to be. We should be able to tell by this time next year. I'm almost glad I don't need a new PC right now.
All this talk of heat; I've seen a lot of Intels and yet to see one in stock configuration overheat unless something was wrong with the setup. The worst I've seen was a 2 or 3 year old Celeron from a dusty environment with a bunch of smokers. If you've ever opened a case where smokers reside, you know the problem. Even with that mess, it wasn't overheating. I cleaned it up, but I'd only gone in to switch out a bad disc drive. On several occasions I've left my Intel encoding overnight and it wasn't smoking in the morning, typical off the shelf "Intel Inside".
I sometimes wonder about those web product evaluations. I see the ones for CPU uggrades for both AMD and Intel. Going from a smaller CPU to a larger with Intel, I've noticed complaints of higher heat, not overheating. Usually a better fan and/or heatsink are all that's needed. Anyone ever stop to think the one installed was adequate for the initial setup. Putting in a higher capacity CPU can entail needing a better heatsink and fan, no mystery there. That's like the OCers needing to improve the cooling as the speeds are pushed to the limits. We all know AMD runs cooler and part is probably due to running at lower speeds. However, I've not heard of any stock Intels being recalled for overheating problems. Those higher heat situations are supposed to be part of what is being addressed this coming year. I'm just waiting to see what is delivered. Those familiar with the Pentium M are aware that Intel knows how to do it. The question is what tack they will take with the new processors? We've heard the rumors, I just wish the delivery could be sooner.
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7. January 2006 @ 18:21 |
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I'm almost glad I don't need a new PC right now.
What's need got to do with it. LOL
This is the reality: Intel chips are hot because they're pushed to the limited and they leak voltage. AMD's are pushed just as hard. Clock speed is no measure of how hard a chip is pushed, voltage requirements are. AMD chips have lots more headroom and remember they perform 4 operations per clock cycle while intel chips perform only two.
I think that Intel squandered their opportunities with the Pentium M and let AMD move ahead. You'll notice that the top clock speed for a pentium M is about the same as it is for AMD chips.
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7. January 2006 @ 18:28 |
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We know you're trying to write a book for us, but we're more interested in seeing those benchmarks. ;) So far, we've seen none from you.
We know Intels run hotter than AMD, old news. Some people have heat problems with AMDs, even though as a rule, AMDs run cooler than Intels. Some people just need that liquid nitrogen. Build any system that doesn't cool properly and it will overheat, that is just the way things work. We all know that for comparable CPUs (not comparable speeds in GHz) the Intel with the higher clockspeeds need better cooling. So far you've told us Intels run hot and Intel uses unfair trade practices. Notice, I put all that in one sentence. I don't mind a little speculation, but it's being taken to the extreme here.
Sophocles has only recently started building custom AMD systems. Before that he was building "Intel Inside". Even with his OCing, we didn't hear that much about overheating. He knows the effects of heat and kept his systems within the limits and kept enough fans and adequate heatsinks. Ask him if overheating with Intel is an issue if one uses adequate cooling (and I mean air cooling unless one is really pushing the package to the limits).
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