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When is it worth the wait?
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gambit01
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21. September 2007 @ 07:18 |
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Hello,
To cut a long story short I am about to backup my 200+ DVD collection.
My problem however is my eyesight isn't that great, so when I was testing various encoders etc it was hard for me to tell the difference, but when my friends come over I don't want them to complain.
From reading I see CCE is the best but my question is basically, is it it worth the time to use CCE if the compression is say above 80%?, 90%?
Also what if I'm copying my Simpsons DVD's, they don't have much details so should shrink be ok or still use CCE?
If you could share some thoughts and ideas it would be appreciated.
I have 2 TV's both 42inch+, one plasma, one LCD if that helps.
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Shrink 80% + Sharp
CCE 80% + 3 Pass
CCE 50% + 3 Pass
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21. September 2007 @ 07:44 |
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I don't use DVD-RB unless the compression reaches 30-35% or more. I typically just use DVD Shrink, Recode or DVD2One for the rest and I really don't see a degredation in quality.
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21. September 2007 @ 09:05 |
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If you edit out the extras and the special features, most movies out have almost no compression to them, roughly 85-100% range from my experience mostly with kids movies. Try a few different programs and have some 20 year olds look at them and see if they notice. From my observations, the first effect to show up is in large areas of the same color, you may see square blocks in the area, specifically in the darker colors. Hope that this helps. I can't tell the difference on my 32 inch TV, but you have the bomb when it comes to video,,,
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21. September 2007 @ 12:19 |
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I agree that DVD-RB works best for full disc backups or Lord of the Rings length main movies.
For me, my cutoff point is like blivetNC said. Use shrink or Recode from 85-100% with quality settings on. I change to DVD-RB for the rest.
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gambit01
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21. September 2007 @ 16:17 |
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Thanks for the help everyone.
So for a general rule if it below 80%-85% I should use CCE.
What about my Simpson's and Family Guy DVD's, do you think they can go lower because there isn't much detail in the picture?
Do you think it will be easier for me too see the difference if I burn them on to DVD and try watching them on my TV?
So far I've only compared on the computer, full screen (23inch widescreen lcd).
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 21. September 2007 @ 16:24
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21. September 2007 @ 16:28 |
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Definitely give it a real world, worst case scenario test. Copy an entire disk, one whose compression is like 45%, then compare it with just the movie, and then compare it with the original, let your eyes be the deciding factor.
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21. September 2007 @ 16:50 |
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To all who may know---Isnt there a general rule about not using CCE for cartoons and other discs with low bitrates? I know its something along those lines, and was about to give information saying use Procoder or Hanks with DVD-RB for those cartoons of gambit01. Could someone correct me/ clarify that general rule please? TIA
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21. September 2007 @ 17:06 |
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Never used CCE, but highly recommend Slysoft's ANYDVD and Elby's CloneDVD2 for everything, only takes 35 minutes to process and entire disk, even one with high compression.
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21. September 2007 @ 18:23 |
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@Deadrum33 - i don't know about cartoons exactly, but animated movies/cgi etc come out fine for me, but i'll definitely concur that CCE can't work wonders with low bitrates. I believe one of the other encoders is better for low bitrates, Hank's Encoder or something ? - i always just use CCE and appreciate anything it comes out with personally :)
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21. September 2007 @ 18:41 |
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Thanks Creaky.
gambit01---I wasnt totally off target :) Let us all know if you have questions or problems.
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djfred500
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4. November 2007 @ 15:25 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
Never used CCE, but highly recommend Slysoft's ANYDVD and Elby's CloneDVD2 for everything, only takes 35 minutes to process and entire disk, even one with high compression.
Im going to go with blivetNC on this one, I used to use DVD Shrink when it came out and the quality it rips that at isnt all that great, and then i stumbled accross a guy who did a comparison on DVD transcoders, and
InterVideo DVDCopy5 came out #1 in quality
CloneDVD2 came out #2 or #3
and Shrink was below #7
And with CloneDVD2 you have more hands on the dvd. you can cut/snip sutff you dont want, but with Shrink your only left with Either movie only or Movie with extra. Dont take my word for it downlaod the Trail/Demo of CloneDVD2 and give it a try youll love what it does.
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10. November 2007 @ 07:07 |
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I have a 36 inch TV, and i have never seen any difference between RB/encoder and shrink, recode2,dvd2one and intervideo; even at high levels of compression.
Nero Recode2 or Shrink using deep analysis and AEC/ fabdecrypter or anydvd running in the background/ IMGBurn to burn/main movie only mode= perfect.
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10. November 2007 @ 07:14 |
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well i've just done a few FULL discs (like 8GB or whatever) of the latest Battlestar Galatica series 3 in DVD Rebuilder with CCE SP2 (4 passes), the results are amazing (especially with so many dark scenes for Rebuilder to deal with)
Space for Video : 3,446,432KB
Reduction Level for DVD-5: 48.9%
Bitrate: 2,780 Kbs
on any of my dvd encoding machines, the average for a full disc such as the above is about 4/5 hours, well worth the wait when you see the results
- there is no way on earth Shrink, Recode or anything can come even partially close to that...
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