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18. January 2008 @ 20:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah I guess so. Maybe just MAYBE I might get a 3870 because of personal bias.

I have a person coming to buy this baby on monday! for a grand.
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18. January 2008 @ 20:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
abuzar, you are banned from this thread if you do that!

heres something weird I found: The first bench is with CF enabled, second without, etc. CF disabled actually increases the FPS in Crysis. Slightly weird if you ask me...

CF ON

1/18/2008 6:24:29 PM - XP
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1152x864, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 64.57s, Average FPS: 30.98
Min FPS: 24.57 at frame 488, Max FPS: 45.31 at frame 1197
Average Tri/Sec: -26853836, Tri/Frame: -866932
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.06
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 58.13s, Average FPS: 34.41
Min FPS: 19.03 at frame 631, Max FPS: 45.31 at frame 1197
Average Tri/Sec: -29559572, Tri/Frame: -859153
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.07
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 57.89s, Average FPS: 34.55
Min FPS: 19.03 at frame 631, Max FPS: 45.31 at frame 1197
Average Tri/Sec: -29638416, Tri/Frame: -857943
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.07
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>


1/18/2008 6:24:29 PM - XP

Run #1- DX9 1152x864 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 34.48

CF OFF

1/18/2008 6:29:42 PM - XP
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1152x864, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 61.33s, Average FPS: 32.61
Min FPS: 26.57 at frame 1943, Max FPS: 41.68 at frame 873
Average Tri/Sec: -28818346, Tri/Frame: -883757
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.04
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 54.84s, Average FPS: 36.47
Min FPS: 26.28 at frame 1963, Max FPS: 42.25 at frame 983
Average Tri/Sec: -31924932, Tri/Frame: -875415
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.05
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 55.28s, Average FPS: 36.18
Min FPS: 25.76 at frame 1945, Max FPS: 43.19 at frame 1767
Average Tri/Sec: -31648200, Tri/Frame: -874742
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.05
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>


1/18/2008 6:29:42 PM - XP

Run #1- DX9 1152x864 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 36.325

CF On (1280x1024)

1/18/2008 6:34:42 PM - XP
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1280x1024, AA=16xQ, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 82.89s, Average FPS: 24.13
Min FPS: 18.52 at frame 150, Max FPS: 33.14 at frame 1185
Average Tri/Sec: -20902584, Tri/Frame: -866290
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.06
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 75.80s, Average FPS: 26.39
Min FPS: 18.52 at frame 150, Max FPS: 34.07 at frame 1169
Average Tri/Sec: -22660118, Tri/Frame: -858814
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.07
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 76.00s, Average FPS: 26.32
Min FPS: 18.52 at frame 150, Max FPS: 34.10 at frame 1180
Average Tri/Sec: -22575618, Tri/Frame: -857821
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.07
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>


1/18/2008 6:34:42 PM - XP

Run #1- DX9 1280x1024 AA=16xQ, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 26.355

CF OFF (1280x1024)

1/18/2008 6:40:47 PM - XP
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1280x1024, AA=16xQ, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 74.72s, Average FPS: 26.77
Min FPS: 21.81 at frame 1959, Max FPS: 33.71 at frame 1769
Average Tri/Sec: -23577502, Tri/Frame: -880878
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.04
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 68.01s, Average FPS: 29.41
Min FPS: 21.73 at frame 1958, Max FPS: 34.10 at frame 1767
Average Tri/Sec: -25678116, Tri/Frame: -873209
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.05
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 68.08s, Average FPS: 29.38
Min FPS: 19.79 at frame 1956, Max FPS: 34.10 at frame 1767
Average Tri/Sec: -25626746, Tri/Frame: -872281
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.05
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

1/18/2008 6:40:47 PM - XP

Run #1- DX9 1280x1024 AA=16xQ, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 29.395

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18. January 2008 @ 20:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Heh, Maccer got away with it!
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18. January 2008 @ 20:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sammorris:
It only misses out some, surely you an just look at the picture and see that. It's not that there aren't any shadows, it's just that some don't look right. Without a 3870 for comparison you may not even notice - hence why nvidia do it.
Well in that case I'll take my fps and worry no more about it!!

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18. January 2008 @ 21:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I think that when ATI releases the new drivers the 3870 will be faster. So... ha!
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18. January 2008 @ 21:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well wait and see eh? It's got a bit of a way to catch up, I doubt they'll make it faster in all those games with just a driver release.

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18. January 2008 @ 21:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You card isn't not THAT much faster, lets not be cocky here. lol

This is all in my mind.
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18. January 2008 @ 22:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Abuzar, I was just kidding, I dont care what you get! lol

I would just think that after being involved in this 1400 post thread mostly on Ati, then you would consider getting a 3870. But oh well, who cares?

What other parts are you getting?

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18. January 2008 @ 22:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
If you've noticed I prefer the HD 3870 MYSELF. Thing is if I have to sell the PC the 8800GT is going to be easier to sell to the consumer.

I'm thinking of going Quad Core now, also because people are more willing to buy that. I haven't made a full parts list yet. I'll only be pushing the Quad Core to 3.6Ghz so I don't need PC-8500 Memory. Either way an 8800GT or a 3870 will be a huge improvement over my 3850.
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19. January 2008 @ 05:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Waymon: Lol that is indeed what happens if a game doesn't work properly with crossfire. It's normal to lose a few fps in that event.
Abuzar: Wishful thinking my friend, but I'm all for it... (about the driver update) as far as 8800GT goes, I'm probably going to agree with you, not so nice to have, but easier to sell. Nvidia is without doubt the 'fanboy' brand. That's not to say you have to be a fanboy to buy one, but you don't exactly see many ATi fanboys around (at least I haven't). With AMD/Intel it seems about even.



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19. January 2008 @ 06:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sammorris:
Nvidia is without doubt the 'fanboy' brand. That's not to say you have to be a fanboy to buy one, but you don't exactly see many ATi fanboys around (at least I haven't). With AMD/Intel it seems about even.
I'd be inclined to agree. But then they do make the ultra, which is the fastest card you can buy, so it'd be easy to say Nvid was best if you looked at it at that level. I'm sure there are plenty of ATi fans out there too tho!

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19. January 2008 @ 07:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sam, when I pop into the forums at incrysis.com, I see that a lot people are nagging to get CF/SLi working. The first patch was supposed to fix that... I do see an increase from around 14k to 18.5k in 3dmark06 though, so I know it is working.

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MaccerM: I don't doubt it, but evidence suggests they're in fewer numbers. Hats off to nvidia for making the most powerful GPU out there. If we could get something with the power of the ultra but the image quality of the HD3870, we'd finally be making progress...



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19. January 2008 @ 12:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You know as far as drivers go ATI has REALLY stepped it up. Last driver update was an increase of about 10 fps in most games for many people. ATI drivers used to suck ass before.
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^I know! I remember when no one would buy a ATi product just because of their drivers. But then the Omegas came out and those worked pretty good - but you shouldnt have to download 3rd party drivers to get a product working.

I'm running the 8.1s now, might consider moving to the Omegas, just to try em out. I've had no problems with the 8.1s so far...

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19. January 2008 @ 17:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I think right now the official ones work better.
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19. January 2008 @ 18:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
People keep trying to fob me off with that excuse - I've never had major issue with Catalyst myself.



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TBH, I had no problem with the catalyst drivers. I think the interface is quite good and I actually prefer it to the new 100 series drivers Nvidia interface, which now has the Ntune add-on which IMO is a total waste of time. Much prefer the pre-100 drivers with the old interface and for the extra options you just downloaded the coolbits reg and everything was there. And at least my TV out worked with the X1950! With the current 169.21 set I cannot change my TV format to PAL, which is v.annoying as I often used to use my 24" CRT to watch movies on. I did infact email Nvidia about this 2 weeks ago - no response yet! (and that's not mentioning the fan speed issue either!)

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20. January 2008 @ 10:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I prefer the ATI overclocking thing to Nvidia's. The Nvidia thing is a PIA to be honest.
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20. January 2008 @ 11:19 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ATiTool supports nvidia cards too though, so the process should be quite similar.



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20. January 2008 @ 11:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I was talking about ATI overdrive utility, which works surprisingly well.
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20. January 2008 @ 22:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
back to cases, I think I may get something like this:




or do a mod to my 900 like this:




Overall I would still pick that case sam had in his link over these.

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What's different about the 900 in the pic? I'm getting one soon hopefully.
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The side window's huge!
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21. January 2008 @ 11:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
^I know! Thats why I like it. The window on the standard 900 is a bit to small for me - mostly because the fan mesh takes up half of the viewing space.

I have been looking at these kits to do the mod with:
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g42/c215...dows-Page1.html

 
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