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help stop ooxml!!
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8. November 2007 @ 15:28 |
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the following are reasons why the new ooxml shouldnt be a standard:
1. There is already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format (ODF): a dual standard adds costs, uncertainty and confusion to industry, government and citizens;
2. There is no provable implementation of the OOXML specification: Microsoft Office 2007 produces a special version of OOXML, not a file format which complies with the OOXML specification;
3. There is information missing from the specification document, for example how to do a autoSpaceLikeWord95 or useWord97LineBreakRules;
4. More than 10% of the examples mentioned in the proposed standard do not validate as XML;
5. There is no guarantee that anybody can write software that fully or partially implements the OOXML specification without being liable to patent lawsuits or patent license fees by Microsoft;
6. This format conflicts with existing ISO standards, such as ISO 8601 (Representation of dates and times), ISO 639 (Codes for the Representation of Names and Languages) or ISO/IEC 10118-3 (cryptographic hash);
7. There is a bug in the spreadsheet file format which forbids any date before the year 1900: such bugs affect the OOXML specification as well as software applications like Microsoft Excel 2000, XP, 2003 and 2007.
8. This standard proposal was not created by bringing together the experience and expertise of all interested parties (such as the producers, sellers, buyers, users and regulators), but by Microsoft alone.
help stop microsoft from buildng yet another monopoly
http://www.noooxml.org/petition
[bold]made w/ Gimp 2.0 mutha sucka! This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 9. November 2007 @ 11:21
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8. November 2007 @ 20:04 |
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Not to mention the fact that the specification uses flawed math: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/07/formula-for-failure.html
Microsoft is doing some really disturbing things lately (Vista EULA conditions, Novell, "open source" software, .NET, now OOXML), their products should be avoided entirely on PC at the very least.
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9. November 2007 @ 11:19 |
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lol jus like microsoft to make a flawed product *cough*cough*xbox 360*cough*cough*
[bold]made w/ Gimp 2.0 mutha sucka!
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21. November 2007 @ 20:35 |
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oh plz.. 360 is PERFECT try to say the same about the PS3, u cant cuz it sucks BALLS
(+[__]%)psp:Bricked>unbricked with pandora's battery> 1.50> 3.52m33> 3.52m33-4>3.71m33-2
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21. November 2007 @ 21:33 |
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Noob... If you're going to post in the Linux forums, at least keep it on topic, and if you're going to expect any credibility, learn to spell, your sig only confirms you don't really know what you're talking about.
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arcder23
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21. November 2007 @ 21:42 |
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to bad i do... but ok.
(+[__]%)psp:Bricked>unbricked with pandora's battery> 1.50> 3.52m33> 3.52m33-4>3.71m33-2
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23. November 2007 @ 13:48 |
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Originally posted by arcder23:
oh plz.. 360 is PERFECT try to say the same about the PS3, u cant cuz it sucks BALLS
i'm tiring of your random 'posts' which are blatant post padding as you keep digging up old posts; that one comment i just quoted is enough to clue me in as to your age; i didn't even have to go and check if you were post padding as i'm subscribed to 22,000+ threads and when groups of old threads start appearing in my email i know there's someone new around here who's just out to up their rank; i will only ask you one last time to knock it off with the random crap - post only if you have something of value to post about..
plus if you're going to post, at least try to show you have some knowledge...
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23. November 2007 @ 20:24 |
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Not only did I sign the petition, I also tried some of the things listed here http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/ and found them to be true. Not only when trying to edit spreadsheets manually but also by using non M$ applications to change data in them.
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12. December 2007 @ 09:57 |
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Had mail from the petitioners..
Dear "my name",
You signed the <NO>OOXML petition, a movement backed now by more than
70.000 supporters worldwide. Our effort to influence the OOXML (Office
Open XML) standardization process has been an astonishing success so
far. We aim for at least 100.000 signatures in February when the Geneva
Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM) will convene with the aim to resolve
comments.
Microsoft is trying by all means to get its "standard" adopted without
substantial changes despite of its thousands of officially reported
technical flaws and the pre-existence of ISO 26300:2006 (OpenDocument,
ODF) as the most appropriate international standard for the
representation of office documents.
By next Tuesday Dec 11 2007 delegates from your National Standards Body
BSI who will participate in the BRM have to be announced to
ISO. At least Portugal and Ireland will be represented by Microsoft. In
many other countries, we know that Microsoft gold partners are proposing
themselves as heads of national delegations. Many of them will prevail
if we do not take action.
Will you let Microsoft represent your country at Geneva and decide the
future of OOXML?
You can make a difference and call now BSI at +44-208-9969000 and help
us to find out:
a. Who will represent BSI on DIS 29500 at the Ballot
Resolution Meeting in Geneva?
b. When will the decision on delegates be made and if BSI is
aware of the Dec 11 deadline?
c. Does your national delegates for the BRM are independent enough
from Microsoft?
d. Does the responsible Committee of BSI for DIS 29500 work
on resolution proposals for all the 3500 comments tabled or - if at
all - only for the national comments that they submitted?
Please report your findings by replying to this email, we will update
this page with the members of each national delegation:
http://www.noooxml.org/brm
More things that you can do to help our effort against this broken
standard proposal:
1. Join our mailing list and get in touch with many other
activists:
http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/noooxml-club
2. Become a member of FFII, the worldwide association leading the
<NO>OOXML campaign:
http://action.ffii.org/member_application
3. Become a member of DIGISTAN, the organization for the promotion
of true digital open standards worldwide; please indicate your
interests to: members@digistan.org
4. Blog about OOXML which shapes the public debate; blogging has been
instrumental to our success in Sweden for example;
5. support our campaign work with financial means:
http://www.noooxml.org/donations
Best regards,
--
Benjamin Henrion <bhenrion>
<NO>OOXML Campaign leader
As a result of my digging around I came across
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UK response to the draft international standard, ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML (ECMA 376)
PRESS RELEASE
3 September 2007
The UK has submitted its comments on the adoption of the draft of ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML (also known as ECMA 376) to JTC1, the joint technical committee of ISO, the International Organization for Standardization, and IEC, the International Electrotechnical Commission. The comments were collated after several months of technical review by industry experts.
JTC1/SC 34, a subcommittee of JTC1, will now prepare a document containing comments from all the National Standards Bodies which, if required, will be addressed at a ballot resolution meeting in February 2008 for the standardization process to continue.
ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML is a 6000 page technical specification, produced by Ecma, the European Computer Manufacturers Association. It was submitted to JTC1 by Ecma to become an International Standard following which, each national member of JTC1 tasked its own technical committee to reach a decision on its behalf.
In the UK, a technical panel comprising large and small companies, public sector organisations, user groups, academia and government, was specially created to review ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML. It identified a number of technical issues in the document which need to be addressed before the UK can approve ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML as an International Standard.
Mike Low, Director of BSI British Standards, said, ?BSI has led a rigorous review process on ISO/IEC DIS 29500 OOXML in the UK, considering hundreds of comments on the draft standard.
The BSI technical committee will now work within JTC1/SC 34, during the next stage of the international standardization process, to resolve the comments that have been raised.?
- Ends -
For media enquiries please contact:
Lucy Fulton
PR Officer
BSI British Standards
Tel: +44 (0) 20 8996 7248
Mob: +44 (0) 7717 451 990
Email: lucy.fulton@bsi-global.com
Website: www.bsi-global.com
About BSI British Standards
BSI British Standards is the UK?s national standards organization, recognized globally for its independence, integrity and innovation in the production of standards and information products that promote and share best practice. BSI works with businesses, consumers and government to represent UK interests and to make sure that British, European and international standards are useful, relevant and authoritative. For further information please visit www.bsi-global.com/britishstandards.
About BSI Group
BSI British Standards is part of BSI Group, a global independent business services organization that inspires confidence and delivers assurance to customers with standards-based solutions. Originating as the world?s first national standards body, the Group has over 2,250 staff operating in over 100 countries through more than 50 global offices. The Group?s key offerings are:
? The development and sale of private, national and international standards and supporting information
? Second and third-party management systems assessment and certification
? Product testing and certification of services and products
? Performance management software solutions
? Training services in support of standards implementation and business best practice.
For further information please visit www.bsi-global.com.
In typical UK government organisations style they aren't really saying anything (me suspects financial interest by members of the panel)
Also worthy of a read (funny who you find on the net, accepting comments from the public) http://adjb.net/comments.php?y=07&m=09&entry=entry070909-104641
Did anybody but me actually get involved with this campaign, or are we looking at yet another M$ railroading of standards?
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Well I can report a small but important victory in the battle against closed standards and ballot rigging.. read more
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The more I think about this, the more it looks like the ISO committee is going to be sounding their own death knell if OOXML is accepted. The entire process has revealed itself to be a mockery, open to manipulation and bribery in various forms. The whole situation sucks. While in my private life I couldn't possibly care less about the existence OOXML, at the end of the day I'm essentially making my living by being an Excel Guru so this is going to impact me in a big way I think, whichever way it goes. At least if it is approved I'll only have one new semi-proprietary format to code for I guess, but at what cost? RIP ISO 02/1947 - 03/2008?
While I appreciate that thanks to Microsoft I'll be in a job for as long as I want it, I'm going to have my work cut out for me because of this shit sooner or later. We're presently on Office 2003, and I am NOT looking forward to all the macro rewrites I'm going to have to do in the next couple of years... I'm grateful for having a job, I'd just prefer it if it didn't have to be because Microsoft kept creating their own proprietary formats that are incompatible.
Another item for thought: how many patents does OOXML rely upon in order to create an ISO certified implementation? Think about it... Microsoft can finally start earning money from their document format whether people use MS Office or not...
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I was dong my usual browse around the related articles and came across this one..
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/becta_vista/
This paragraph shows clearly how microshaft operates..
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The agency reported Microsoft to the OFT in October because of its concerns over the ?all or nothing? nature of the contract, which can see schools having to pay Microsoft licence fees even for machines running non-Microsoft systems.
As schools are all publicly funded institutions the OFT can lawfully only find against M$ in this situation.. If they had any real balls they would BAN schools from using commercial (and damn expensive) OS solutions in the first place.. A UK school IT and computer related qualification is no more than how to use a couple of M$ apps like word etc..
A major part of my work is installing *nix on school hardware, mainly due to the fact that the continual fees to run M$ on their school machines drains what little money they have.
Oh.. what about *nix being hard to use?? In a locked down school environment where the computers are supposed to be looked after by a "capable and competent" IT department tech there shouldn't be an issue, though I must admit to doing some one on one refresher training of staff who haven't seen *nix since college many many years ago.. From the students viewpoint there is practically no difference, except it stops them wasting around sneakily playing games :lol:
I use dreamlinux for schools (unless they directly specify something else), mainly because it's look and feel is very mac-os and the applications look nice.
This issue is so much more important to every computer user than any continual banging on and on about blu-ray hd-dvd.. aD should get with the program and start covering these stories on the main news threads, using it's member base as a campaigning tool against totalitarian monopolies.. hold on.. US based servers. don't rock the boat..
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