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Lost quality; why?
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16. November 2007 @ 22:27 |
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I recently stopped using Ripit4Me and started using DVDfab to rip to my HD. I also took some advise from a fellow member on the issues I was having with DVD's not playing recently on my player. I use Imageburn, so he/she suggested to change the "book type" to DVD ROM to fake out my DVD player. I have since noticed (on my 55 inch HD TV) that the pictures are a bit grainy. I never had this before. Is what I am doing making a difference. Is DVDfab my issue, is it the "book type" change. Oh BTW I of course use Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder.
Just a little concerned why I went from flawless copies, to grainy copies.
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tripplite
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17. November 2007 @ 21:37 |
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have you changed media types? have you changed from -r/+r
burn speeds?
usually a book type change on quality, burn the same video type with the book change and one with out and compare
i prefer to either just make an exact copy, or rip it with ripit4me then convert it to a high quality video type and then burn to a dvd.
id say whats causing you to lose quality is dvdfab, it has a worse quality rip
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17. November 2007 @ 21:45 |
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I guess i could try and do a burn with and without booktyping to compare.vI am however now leaning towards the DVDfab as the possible culprit.
so if this is the case what should I use to rip then?
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res2cue
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19. November 2007 @ 06:57 |
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I'm going to disagree about dvdfab HD decrypter being the problem, I would look more towards the transcoding and ratio of compression. I have never had any issues with fab and also have a 50 something HD tv.
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19. November 2007 @ 09:54 |
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I'm with Res2cue on this one as I primarily use DVDFab HD Decrypter for all my ripping and when I do use DVDRB I've seen no ill effects. Do you have all of your paths set up correctly in DVDRB? Have you looked at any setup/tweaking guides?
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=55302
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20. November 2007 @ 17:38 |
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Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention one other thing. I did by a new laptop. It is now my new burning tool. But I loaded everything exactly the same settings and all. I have even made a few burns since then without any quality loss (that I think). I haven't change anything since (burn speeds...etc etc)I am using different Verbatims then before, but they are still DVD+R's just not lightscribe like my old ones. in the mean time I'll double check to see if there is anything that may have changed.
In the mean time I am still open for suggestions.
Thanks again
TJ
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tripplite
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20. November 2007 @ 21:41 |
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I would look more towards the transcoding and ratio of compression
i agree, if i think of any new ideas (fresh install)i let you know
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vamsilak
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24. November 2007 @ 09:20 |
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seems like sounds like i think u r using dvd5
ofcourse if it dvd5 u wull loose atleast 20-50% quqlity
unless u choose movie only
most of then under 4.7bg
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24. November 2007 @ 11:12 |
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Yes I am using DVD 5, I've always used DVD 5. I haven't had an issue till now though.
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res2cue
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24. November 2007 @ 11:50 |
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Originally posted by vamsilak:
seems like sounds like i think u r using dvd5
ofcourse if it dvd5 u wull loose atleast 20-50% quqlity
unless u choose movie only
most of then under 4.7bg
not true, you will compress that much, although that is not meaning you lose that much quality. I've compressed a many movie at 55% and seen absolutely no visual loss on my 55" television.
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24. November 2007 @ 12:16 |
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Absolutely..hence why i use DVD Rebuilder for any movie under 90% compression, (and that's movie only to boot), it's an incredible bit of software. As for Episodic discs i use Rebuilder by default, just the other day i did Battlestar Galactica (Season 3 all 5discs) with Rebuilder, the compression was an unbelievably low 44%, yet Rebuilder did an incredible job (i only ever do 2 passes btw).
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tripplite
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24. November 2007 @ 12:29 |
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"'Verbatim Taiyo Yuden', vanilla Verbatim, vanilla Taiyo Yuden & RICOHJPNR03 are the ONLY media allowed near my Burners/standalone players "
haha, i agree with your comment creaky,DVD Rebuilder just can't be replaced by anything else,
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vamsilak
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24. November 2007 @ 17:08 |
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sowwy guys
inever use redbuilder
how easy it is
is that a freeware
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24. November 2007 @ 18:03 |
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I guess i could try and do a burn with and without booktyping to compare
Most DVD recording softs are defaulted to book type DVD-R. A grainy copy points to some possible problems with the original (some of it was already there) that are accentuated when compressed or there are a high number of frames in the original. Try to trim unwanted or unneeded soundtracks and extras that could reduce encode space. Media either works or it doesn't and if it works and you have a video quality issue then look elsewhere.
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res2cue
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24. November 2007 @ 18:39 |
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Originally posted by vamsilak:
sowwy guys
inever use redbuilder
how easy it is
is that a freeware
neither do I. I am an anydvd clonedvd guy. or a dvdfab decrypter guy. Every now and then I feel frisky and become an imgburn guy.
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24. November 2007 @ 18:57 |
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neither do I. I am an anydvd clonedvd guy. or a dvdfab decrypter guy
That's the beauty of forums, they can have all kinds of categories. The DVD RB forum is just one of those choices. If you require an easier albeit lower quality solution then there is a simpler forum for that purpose. The link below will take you there.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/78
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sowwy guys
inever use redbuilder
how easy it is
is that a freeware
By sowwy I believe that you are speaking phonetically and you mean sorry? How easy it is depends on whether you have a little spare time to lean how to use it. In my view it is very easy! Whether it is free or not depends on how much of it you want to learn. There is a totally free version that even inclucds a choice of transcoder, and encoders. How good do you want your copies to be??
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res2cue
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24. November 2007 @ 20:20 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
That's the beauty of forums, they can have all kinds of categories. The DVD RB forum is just one of those choices. If you require an easier albeit lower quality solution then there is a simpler forum for that purpose. The link below will take you there.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/78
i know my way around just fine.. thanks
and as far as lower quality, I beg to differ with a naked eye
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24. November 2007 @ 20:25 |
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i know my way around just fine.. thanks
Then use it and stop screwing around with off topic discussions in this one. I use anyDVD too but I have no need to discuss or hear about another common transcoder, they are all too common and aging. If you want to run with the dogs then you have to stop playing with the puppies.
This is not a transcoder forum so move you discussion to where it belongs!
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res2cue
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24. November 2007 @ 21:02 |
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not sure what your problem is, but tomorrow try something different and put some milk in the corn flakes.
If you are so worried about this being in the wrong forum, why not read the entire thread and realize this is not a rebuilder issue at all, so maybe the entire thread is in the wrong forum and some mods posted in here so rag on them too while you're at it.
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24. November 2007 @ 23:11 |
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not sure what your problem is, but tomorrow try something different and put some milk in the corn flakes
I don't have any problems, I understand your point of view. I went through the transcoder phase back in June 2003. It was about then that I began to understand the benefits of re-encoding over transcoding. Transcoding is an inferior method of backing up a DVD. It's quick and dirty but sometimes removes too much from the wrong places. Re-encoding analysis the entire DVD structure and then reallocates/redistributes bitrate across the entire DVD where it is needed without removing any of the actual video. Neither are perfect solutions but re-encoding keeps the backup much closer to the original than does transcoding.
You are in fact in the wrong forum to discuss a one click transcoder!
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I have since noticed (on my 55 inch HD TV) that the pictures are a bit grainy. I never had this before
I already answered his question!
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Most DVD recording softs are defaulted to book type DVD-R. A grainy copy points to some possible problems with the original (some of it was already there) that are accentuated when compressed or there are a high number of frames in the original. Try to trim unwanted or unneeded soundtracks and extras that could reduce encode space. Media either works or it doesn't and if it works and you have a video quality issue then look elsewhere.
A grainy outcome is either because the original suffered some graininess or was exhibiting mosquito effect which was exaggerated because of compression. Bad media can cause all sorts of problems, but if the result is compliant and playable then the copy is complete and would be the same regardless of media quality. If he really wanted a bad result then all he haz to do is use CloneDVD or DVD Shrink, or any other transcoder, they all essentially do the same thing which is to largely compress the "B" frames.
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25. November 2007 @ 05:37 |
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i wasn't promoting any one click methods, I was making a simple statement in reference to the previous post stating that he wasn't the only one who doesn't use rebuilder. I've used it, but really I don't think theres any difference but if you say there is I'm sure I must be wrong. Heaven come down on me if I'm of a different opinion than you. I just want to know what made you all of a sudden think you have become some authoritative forum cop? I wouldn't jump into a thread being sarcastic towards another senior member for a minor faux pas (even if it was only your opinion) and I am definitely not going take it seriously coming from you.
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25. November 2007 @ 06:17 |
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Back on topic, the results of using Rebuilder to the naked eye are incredible.Try the freeware first and the cost of the pay version justifys itself. tjlmbklr I'd be looking at the laptop if thats all you switched to.What kind of specs does your laptop have? Chris
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res2cue
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25. November 2007 @ 06:18 |
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I'll have to give it another try. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention the last few times.
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25. November 2007 @ 06:37 |
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res2cue a good movie to see it on is Wild hogs. Just look at the trees in a one click compared to rebuilder. The leaves on the tree are a blurry green where as in rebuilder your seeing the actual leaves.Transformers is another one that really brings out the details.It may be a long process but worth it in the end.Sophocles and a few others are the ones that got me going with rebuilder if a movie is a ho hum I use a lot of different programs that are quick, but if it's agood movie I use Rebuilder that increases the viewing pleasure.Sophocles nice to see you again.One thing I've found is imop Image Burn gives me the best results for burning. Chris
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res2cue
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25. November 2007 @ 10:27 |
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I just looked at the back up copy, in my opinion I see leaves, and I know I used fab and clone on this one. I'll do it again using rebuilder to see if I can see any difference.
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