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ISP Monitors my p2p?!
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Klueril
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17. December 2007 @ 07:14 |
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Just a few months ago, I was just getting into Utorrent and was thinking its the best thing in the world, when my ISP (cox) sent me this semi-cease and desist order or they would shut down my internet. I would change ISPs but no others are availible to me. Can I get back into p2p someway?
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17. December 2007 @ 22:22 |
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Ever hear of peerguardian?
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Vergil902
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18. December 2007 @ 00:01 |
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Ive once downloaded peerguardian but have not understood it, could someone hook me up with a guide or show me a tutorial?
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18. December 2007 @ 07:58 |
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Vergil902
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18. December 2007 @ 14:26 |
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Thanks!!
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18. December 2007 @ 15:33 |
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You are very welcome.
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Klueril
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18. December 2007 @ 17:11 |
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how does this peer guardian work? and how does it block my isp from seeing what I download?
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slaphead1
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2. January 2008 @ 10:38 |
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Peer Guardian doesn't change or disguise the p2p protocol so your ISP will still know you are file sharing.
You were given the wrong advise in the first post I'm afraid.
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2. January 2008 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by slaphead1:
Peer Guardian doesn't change or disguise the p2p protocol so your ISP will still know you are file sharing.
You were given the wrong advise in the first post I'm afraid.
Please feel free to show me where I said that.
Originally posted by Klueril :
how does this peer guardian work? and how does it block my isp from seeing what I download?
I gave you the link to PG2's wiki which should have answered any questions you had about the program, what it does and how it works ~ http://wiki.phoenixlabs.org/wiki/PeerGua...ut_PeerGuardian
Nothing that I know of is 100% anonymous, even tunnelling can be seen by your ISP and shut down as well.
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slaphead1
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3. January 2008 @ 11:42 |
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Originally posted by Klueril:
Just a few months ago, I was just getting into Utorrent and was thinking its the best thing in the world, when my ISP (cox) sent me this semi-cease and desist order or they would shut down my internet. I would change ISPs but no others are availible to me. Can I get back into p2p someway?
What does Peer Guardian have to do with answering the above question?
It's nice of you to give your time to help people with their problems of course, but you steered the guy wrong. I wasn't dissing you, and if it sounded that way I apologise.
Peer Guardian won't disguise the fact you are using P2P from your ISP.
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Klueril
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3. January 2008 @ 11:53 |
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will anything then?
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slaphead1
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3. January 2008 @ 14:31 |
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Originally posted by Klueril:
will anything then?
Afraid not.
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boyintl
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3. January 2008 @ 18:28 |
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I work for cox.. and also use they internet.. and download my share of files.. i get the same notifications.. you typically will get it if you are found uploading for an extended period of time.. i've simply clicked the link and answered the dumb little form and they havent suspended my net.. you should be ok. don't worry too much :)
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varnull
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3. January 2008 @ 22:57 |
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So cox man.. :lol:.. do you happen to have any inside info on how they are reported to be using sandvine tactics against p2p users? (or are you a bean-counter.. in which case.. my deepest condolences)
g'wan.. spill the beans.. we can keep a secret:::: honest ;)
To attempt to answer the OP's question.. there is one way you "could" disguise the fact you are p2p-ing.. but it involves lots of searching, and possibly paying...for a remote shell/space on a server somewhere, installing all the applications you need on said remote box, using it to do your p2p activities and storing them locally... and then downloading from it via encrypted and secure ssh connection which will appear to your isp as a normal straight network download...
Don't ask.. ;)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. January 2008 @ 23:05
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3. January 2008 @ 23:16 |
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What does Peer Guardian have to do with answering the above question?
PG2 blocks IP's from groups hired by the copyright holders to monitor P2P activity. The ISP doesnt' really give two hoots what you do (even though the small print says different) until one of these watchdog groups calls you out for file sharing or copyright infringement. If you are fingered by one of these groups then your ISP is contacted by them and legally they have to take action to see that their customers are using their service in a legal manner (that is what the small print is for). But to say that your ISP monitors your downloading activity may be incorrect in many cases.
I admit my suggestion may have been misleading, being that the opening question was "how do I stop my ISP from seeing what I do" and I apologize if any confusion was created, but I do think this is a viable solution to minimize your risk at recieving further notices in the future if you are busted.
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It's nice of you to give your time to help people with their problems of course, but you steered the guy wrong. I wasn't dissing you, and if it sounded that way I apologise.
NO harm no foul...
Jan, I've researched the shell services recently and from what I can see if the ISP sees excessive traffic through this route they can simply shut it down as they don't know what is going on. They can only assume what you might be doing.
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boyintl
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4. January 2008 @ 01:22 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
So cox man.. :lol:.. do you happen to have any inside info on how they are reported to be using sandvine tactics against p2p users? (or are you a bean-counter.. in which case.. my deepest condolences)
g'wan.. spill the beans.. we can keep a secret:::: honest ;)
To attempt to answer the OP's question.. there is one way you "could" disguise the fact you are p2p-ing.. but it involves lots of searching, and possibly paying...for a remote shell/space on a server somewhere, installing all the applications you need on said remote box, using it to do your p2p activities and storing them locally... and then downloading from it via encrypted and secure ssh connection which will appear to your isp as a normal straight network download...
Don't ask.. ;)
Unfortunately, I have no inside information.. I am simply employed in Tech Support.. I don't have any grand knowledge on how the rest of the system works.. but nevertheless... like i said.. i have gotten 1 or 2 of these notices... I have had several ISP's and i think cox may monitor extensively more than my previous ones..
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Mez
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9. January 2008 @ 08:28 |
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There is no way to wide the fact you are uploading past normal amounts of data. Normal users mostly download. The ISPs are probably designed with that in mind. If you use torrents and upload a few gigs per month you will upset the balance of things and you will be noticed.
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bobbio
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17. January 2008 @ 11:59 |
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Last night when I tried to get online,I had a message from (cox) telling me my account has been suspended and I needed to call customer service to get reactivated. I called and they directed me to their security line and gave me a pin number, I gave security my pin and he told me I was suspended for downloading batman begins. He said if I delete the file from my pc he will reactivate my account and that they have a 3 strike policy in which my account would be suspended forever. I had a feeling this would happen sooner or later. My question is, there is a unsecured wifi in my building I can connect with, is it possable to get busted if I used this unsecured wifi or is it best to just go back to blockbuster?
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Mez
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17. January 2008 @ 13:07 |
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This is quite interesting!
The unsecured wifi might not even be Cox. One can not predict how safe you are without knowing what is going on at the other end. Often cyber police grab your operating system license #. If that is registered to you they know who you are. I guess using someone elses IP is safer than using your own but you don't know how safe you are. My guess is not real safe. They will go after the wrong person first. If they have kids you are safer yet but eventually they will figure out what is going on if you continue to doownload. You will have made an enemy in your building and you might not ever find who they are but they will probably know who you are. I say BB sounds much safer.
May I ask what you used to download your video? That would be of real interest to quite a few readers. That will give us a glimps into what they are doing on the other side. I think we all have a false sense of security.
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bobbio
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17. January 2008 @ 15:22 |
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I used bittorrent and was getting the targets from ISO hunt. One more thing I should mention is that I have downloaded a lot of movies over the past 4 - 5 years with the same ISP but usually I only get one or two at a time. This time I was running 7-8 movies at a time so I could take some good flicks out of the country for the holidays.I think maybe it was because I did so much in a short time that got the attention of my ISP.
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Mez
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17. January 2008 @ 21:56 |
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Bittorrents account for over half the traffic in the US and much more overseas especially Asia. The IPSs have been wanting to crack down and I guess they have the tools. I bet you are correct that it was the traffic that got their attention. They are more interested in preserving their band width than being moralists. You were lucky to be caught by them instead of the vampires that would want all your blood! They went after one guy that had stopped P2P and they went after him because he had so many tunes.
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bobbio
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17. January 2008 @ 22:19 |
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I was thinking the same thing.....better the ISP than the blood hounds. I hear these horror stories all the time about people getting sued, mostley from the music industries. Charging thousands of dollars per song, yeah....that's justice!!
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gruven98
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17. April 2008 @ 05:11 |
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Well, here's my .02 on this "COX" discussion. A couple weeks ago, my connection was temp disabled. I call the number that was on my screen, and "apparently" someone downloaded a movie through my wireless. Anyway, when I called the guy up, he asked me if I knew anything about torrents and if I had any file sharing programs. I told him that "i never heard of the stuff".. "what's a torrent"... Well, needless to say I got my account back up and running that night, but here's what he told me on the phone. According to the tech, COX is now running sniffers across the servers and it would seem to me that it's text based or something like that. It doesn't matter if it was that night, last week, or last month... if they run the sniffer across their servers and find that something was downloaded, they go back to the IP address and immediately suspend your account. 3x offenses have to go through corporate to plead your case, and (get this one) even if a person had no knowledge of an illegal download, they can still be help liable through the Motion Picture Nazis..... now tell me that ain't some silly stuff?
I'm on the 3 step program
1. DvdFab
2. Dvd Shrink
3. Fairuse
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Mez
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17. April 2008 @ 06:43 |
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I would secure my network if I was you. Mine isn't but I don't worry about free loaders. There are only two houses close enough to possibly pick me up. Both Cox and Comcast snif. Their sniffers can read torrent protocol. They know exactly what is going on unless you encrypt the flow. They can your start and stop time for every file you touch. Comcast is more forgiving. They just want you to not hog the band width. They have a watch dog "Sandvines" that is a flow shaping program. It will attack the torrent nodes buy forging fake packets if the flows are not encrypted. The forged packets will confuse the connection so that the recever doesn't get everything. If the flows are encrypted it will try to bury the nodes with vast quanities of bad packets. By sheer volume they tend to smother the node. Meaning your internet is trottled so much you can't use any of the services and the torrent stream gets cut to a trickle or can actually kill the client until you reboot.
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gruven98
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17. April 2008 @ 06:55 |
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Thanx for the heads up Mez, but take notice to the comments in quotations. :)
My wireless is secured down, but I hope that someone comes out with something soon 'cuz i'm going through download withdrawals. Now it's back to the old way by going to the local video store, and they don't have anything that I want. Damn Motion Picture and Music Industry nazis... But I've read that there's an underground team working a way to fight back and can't wait to see that go through.
I'm on the 3 step program
1. DvdFab
2. Dvd Shrink
3. Fairuse
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