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The future of Blu-ray and HD DVD still not decided
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article published on 5 January, 2008
With the increase in available Blu-ray and HD DVD titles both formats are seeing increased visibility in stores. Blu-ray with more releases and higher Title sales than HD DVD, is also gaining more shelf space, but both have seen significant increases over the last year.
?It?s really a function of more titles being available,? said Best Buy spokesman Brian Lucas. ?We are still supporting ... [ read the full article ]
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5. January 2008 @ 16:42 |
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Two words...BS
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error5
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5. January 2008 @ 17:21 |
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vurbal: The title of the article is IMO only half correct.
The future of BluRay is still uncertain. That much can be said. Can it replace SD DVD's in the long term? That's the big question that will take years to answer. Clearly the chances of success vs SD DVD increases with just one format in the picture.
However, the future of HD DVD was pretty much decided with the Warner announcement. When the biggest Hollywood studio in terms of home video sales tells you in no uncertain terms to please roll over and die, there's really no way you recover from that.
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/...1700383,00.html
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"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."
That's a very diplomatic way of saying: "You had your chance, now let the other side take over."
The title should read: Blu-ray vs SD DVD still not decided
...or something similar. It's over for HD DVD.
(For the record: I have both formats. I have A Toshiba HD-XA2 in my main setup and an A1 in my bedroom. I have 75 HD DVD titles - majority of which are Warner.)
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red2tango
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5. January 2008 @ 17:43 |
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sell your hd-dvd players lmao
losers!
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vinny13
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5. January 2008 @ 17:47 |
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Lol this reminds me of a Smack Down show I went to once. The Undertaker(Warner) gave an amazing Choke Slam to some guy's manager(HD-DVD). It was really sick. I have pictures :)
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error5
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5. January 2008 @ 17:54 |
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Originally posted by red2tango:
sell your hd-dvd players lmao
losers!
Congratulations. You're the definition of a "gracious winner."
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5. January 2008 @ 18:01 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Originally posted by red2tango:
sell your hd-dvd players lmao
losers!
Congratulations. You're the definition of a "gracious winner."
I know I am... That would just take away from my PS3's shine :)
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5. January 2008 @ 18:07 |
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vurbal: The title of the article is IMO only half correct.
The future of BluRay is still uncertain. That much can be said. Can it replace SD DVD's in the long term? That's the big question that will take years to answer. Clearly the chances of success vs SD DVD increases with just one format in the picture.
However, the future of HD DVD was pretty much decided with the Warner announcement. When the biggest Hollywood studio in terms of home video sales tells you in no uncertain terms to please roll over and die, there's really no way you recover from that.
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/...1700383,00.html
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"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."
That's a very diplomatic way of saying: "You had your chance, now let the other side take over."
The title should read: Blu-ray vs SD DVD still not decided
...or something similar. It's over for HD DVD.
(For the record: I have both formats. I have A Toshiba HD-XA2 in my main setup and an A1 in my bedroom. I have 75 HD DVD titles - majority of which are Warner.)
While I tend to agree that Warner's decision was the final nail in HD DVD's coffin, I refuse to make any predictions at least until May. Ironically I think Blu-ray is probably better off with HD DVD around because any comparison to regular DVD makes pretty much all the companies involved look foolish for spending so much money for so little return. And they'll look even worse if it turns out they spent billions of dollars to own a market worth only a small fraction of that.
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5. January 2008 @ 18:50 |
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Warner can request HD DVD roll over & die until they are Blu (lol) in the face (which I guess is what they are today, boom boom).
But the truth still remains, HD DVD has the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios behind it exclusively and a host of smaller studios.
For all the over-blown comment HD DVD is not dead.
Damaged yes but not dead nor out of this.
For as long as Hollywood is divided like this Blu-ray has not won anything and will not be sliding in to just take over from DVD.
.....and the bulk of the people will continue to ignore Blu-ray as over-priced and not worth it; not matter how many $1+ billion shady deals the studios and CE corps cook up between themselves.
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5. January 2008 @ 18:58 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Warner can request HD DVD roll over & die until they are Blu (lol) in the face (which I guess is what they are today, boom boom).
But the truth still remains, HD DVD has the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios behind it exclusively and a host of smaller studios.
For all the over-blown comment HD DVD is not dead.
Damaged yes but not dead nor out of this.
For as long as Hollywood is divided like this Blu-ray has not won anything and will not be sliding in to just take over from DVD.
.....and the bulk of the people will continue to ignore Blu-ray as over-priced and not worth it; not matter how many $1+ billion shady deals the studios and CE corps cook up between themselves.
Honestly I don't know how much difference these factors will ultimately make, which is why I refuse to actually predict anything. However things turn out I expect to be sitting smugly on the sidelines with my HTPC so quite frankly I won't be upset if neither one is around 2 years from now.
I would, however, add to your comments by saying that just because an American studio is Blu-ray exclusive doesn't mean their movies aren't available on HD DVD. With no region codes to worry about there are an awful lot of "Blu-ray" exclusive movies that can be found on HD DVD due to distribution deals with foreign studios.
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5. January 2008 @ 19:37 |
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I personally will never buy either format, till the day comes when the hardware for backing up either a Bluray disc or HD-DVD is reasonably affordable. Till then, I'll stick to my upconverted DVD player.
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5. January 2008 @ 21:32 |
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Hughjars how is the raise in a blu-ray player price what the PS3 gang wanted. Most of the people who own a PS3 probably wont buy another blu-ray player since the PS3 plays blu-ray. If your going to comment like that at least say blu-ray boys why does it always have to go back to the PS3 when this isnt about that system?
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5. January 2008 @ 21:43 |
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Originally posted by spydah:
why does it always have to go back to the PS3 when this isnt about that system?
- Are you kidding?
The only reason many of the people here are 'supporting' Blu-ray is cos they have a PS3 and they see
Blu-ray = PS3 & Sony : HD DVD = XBox 360 (HD DVD add-on) & Microsoft.
For many if not most it's just that gormless infantile game console BS carried over, that's all.
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5. January 2008 @ 21:59 |
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It seems everybody is sided with blu-ray, everytime I go into Best Buy I look at the bright blu-ray set up and then look at the dull hd-dvd setup. I can't help think to myself that Best Buy used the analog hook up for hd-dvd and the hdmi 1.3 for blu-ray.
Well...good thing I only paid $90 for my HD-A2 from Walmart. So now I have a high-tech upconverting dvd player. Nice.
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5. January 2008 @ 22:04 |
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Ebay just went HD DVD exclusive. There is hope.
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5. January 2008 @ 22:13 |
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I don't own a PS3 I own a Wii. Not everyone that likes blu-ray owns a PS3. I don't see the buggy play that Hughjars talks about on my S300. I myself would prefer a flash media player like buying a movie on a thumb drive and pluging it into your player. Can't scratch and no moving parts.
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6. January 2008 @ 00:40 |
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LOL funny that hughjars can say that the 2 BIGGEST STUDIOS are behind Hd-dvd.nobody cares honestly,you know why?because blu-ray has outsold hd-dvd EVERY SINGLE F*CKIN WEEK! without Warner.and guess what?Warner is going Blu so you can take your 2 little studios and shove em where the sun dont shine cuz after the deal is done they're going blu-ray too :D
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6. January 2008 @ 01:19 |
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you kno hughjars you really asked for the beat-down here on afterdawn. article after article of anything positive or negative about blu-ray you always gotta bring it down even more. sure you brought up smart points with hd-dvd but it didnt justify anything cuz you still didnt want to believe the truth. let alone you still arent. so long to you, hughjars, the biggest hd-dvd fanboy. anything you say is nuthing more then just jibberish.
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6. January 2008 @ 01:27 |
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Originally posted by spydah:
why does it always have to go back to the PS3 when this isnt about that system?
- Are you kidding?
The only reason many of the people here are 'supporting' Blu-ray is cos they have a PS3 and they see
Blu-ray = PS3 & Sony : HD DVD = XBox 360 (HD DVD add-on) & Microsoft.
For many if not most it's just that gormless infantile game console BS carried over, that's all.
No thats where your wrong again. Because most people on here that make comments about these so called format wars dont own either. They usual post that in their comments. People pick sides based on many factors. Popularity, quality, price, and word of mouth. We can sit here and argue points all day because there are plenty to throw around. Also HD DVD dont equal no XBOX because they havent choose any side i dont know where you got that from and XBOX is Microsoft.
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6. January 2008 @ 01:40 |
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Originally posted by red2tango:
LOL funny that hughjars can say that the 2 BIGGEST STUDIOS are behind Hd-dvd.
Well apparently you care enough to take personal shots at him on a public forum so that can't be true. What is true is that you misstated what he said.
Originally posted by hughjars:
HD DVD has the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios behind it exclusively and a host of smaller studios.
Originally posted by red2tango:
nobody cares honestly,you know why?because blu-ray has outsold hd-dvd EVERY SINGLE F*CKIN WEEK! without Warner.and guess what?Warner is going Blu so you can take your 2 little studios and shove em where the sun dont shine cuz after the deal is done they're going blu-ray too :D
It never ceases to amaze me how much vitriol and bile can be generated over this issue. Like everyone here, hughjars has an opinion that he's entitled to express. Unlike some others, however, he manages to do so without coming off like a raving lunatic. If you have something of substance to add to the discussion, whether it's for, against, or not related to his opinion I encourage you to post it. However, if all you want to do is accuse others of being full of it because they don't agree with you, don't expect the mods to put up with it for long.
For some time I've noticed this issue devolving into the kind of free-for-all that more or less forced AVSForum to make certain related subjects off limits because of the fanboys. If you're not sure who those fanboys are you're probably one of them. I would hate to see Afterdawn make a similar move because a few people can't control their inner 3 year old.
From this point forward I will be doing everything I can to make it as easy as possible for the mods to stay on top of these discussions. If you'd like to stick around longer than a couple of posts I'd recommend turning the fuel down on these flamewars before the mods and admins are forced to put them out for good.
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error5
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6. January 2008 @ 01:55 |
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Originally posted by vurbal:
Ironically I think Blu-ray is probably better off with HD DVD around because any comparison to regular DVD makes pretty much all the companies involved look foolish for spending so much money for so little return. And they'll look even worse if it turns out they spent billions of dollars to own a market worth only a small fraction of that.
I disagree.
You have to remember that regular DVD started the same way. It had to overcome laserdisc and later DIVX discs (not the codec - the disc format sold by Circuit City). After that they took on VHS. They also started with a very small portion of the market.
Two HD formats have no chance against SD DVD. For HD media to become mainstream and eventually replace SD DVD's there has to be only one standard bearer. I was expecting this to be HD DVD but the BDA pulled off a last minute miracle.
One HD format will give those standing on the sidelines confidence to buy into HDM. They won't be waiting for a winner anymore. They'll just start buying players and movies.
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Anyone who says HDVD is dead is a fool, theres plenty of fight left in this format war.
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I disagree.
You have to remember that regular DVD started the same way. It had to overcome laserdisc and later DIVX discs (not the codec - the disc format sold by Circuit City). After that they took on VHS. They also started with a very small portion of the market.
Apparently our memories are different because I didn't see DVD having any problems overcoming laserdisc. All the laserdisc owners I knew and knew of bought DVD players almost immediately. When it came to VHS the only real obstacle was price. As soon as player prices fell the general public jumped on board. However, there are two major differences here. First off there was an obvious difference in the quality of DVD vs. VHS. Even if you had to use a RF converter the quality was a huge improvement. Many people don't believe such a distinction exists between DVD and Blu-ray/HD DVD, or more importantly between HDTV broadcasts and those formats. Other people don't even have HDTVs to use them with. No matter how much emphasis is put on the price of players, you could give them away for free and they wouldn't do any good for a pretty sizable portion of the population.
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One HD format will give those standing on the sidelines confidence to buy into HDM. They won't be waiting for a winner anymore. They'll just start buying players and movies.
You're assuming that they only reason people aren't buying is the format war. This is off base in more than one way. As I already mentioned, some people simply can't take advantage of either formats' benefits. If I had a HDTV I'm sure I might have one or the other, but since I can't afford to go drop hundreds or thousands of dollars on a TV in the forseeable future there's no reason to even worry about a HD player. In addition, many people who haven't bought one or the other simply don't see what the big deal is. Either they're happy with the picture they get from the DVDs they've already paid for or they consider broadcast HDTV to be as good as they need. Neither group will care one way or the other how many formats there are that they don't want.
No doubt there will be increased sales if one format or the other disappears, but I can't imagine any format will ever see the kind of success DVD had. DVD wasn't a fluke, but its success was fueled by unique circumstances that aren't likely to be repeated again, and certainly aren't in place now.
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Vurbal
People tend to pick sides and make favorites they tend to forget the sausage making that format wars are, first you have to create and sustain your niche market, then you move to lower priced products for the masses.
Either HDVD/BR winning\losing is irrelevant without low to consumer prices nothing will happen without that BR could easily fall into the trap LD did if they do not push hard for lower prices, but frankly 2-4 years out the prices will halve by default even if the blu diode is still the same price so in time it could set itself up to replace DVD but in 4 years time another format could emerge that in 8ish years from now replace it.
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Here's my 2 cents and I have nothing more to say about the bullshit format wars. Blu Ray nor HD DVD will ever compare to the sales of the original DVD sales. Even though movies are being created in the new formats they are still being created and sold on regular DVD at a cheaper price as well. Yet no one seems to be throwing up numbers to those sales. All of the combined studios using the new formats are still producing movies on the original DVD. This would go to show you that in my opinion a lot of people arguing about this so called war are idiots. The reason I have stated this is because no matter what...it is the same damn movie on a smaller storage disc. In my opinion neither of the newer formats look better than the other. Its probably better if both formats stick around and a dual formatted player be created. All 3 formats are indeed profitable. If I were a blind man sitting in front of an HDTV listening to an HD DVD or Blu Ray porno that I cant watch then wtf should I do. So to conclude this statement which format would you choose if all of you were blind? But...thats my 2 cents!
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