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I'm look for thr best dvd DL for the money
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15. January 2008 @ 07:05 |
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having trouble finding a good brand with some good reviews. i don't care if they are + or - as long as they work good and i don't have to many plastic coasters. I own a pioneer dvr-212d sata burner, it says it will burn DL but I'm not sure if it has to be +,- or RW
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15. January 2008 @ 17:46 |
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The best DL DVDs you will find are Verbatim Dual Layered DVDs. Verb DLs come from two factories; one in Singapore and one in India. There have been debates lately that The Indian DVDs aren't as quality as the Singapore DVDs. I don't know that that accusation is actually true, but even an Indian Verbatim Dual Layer would be better quality than most other Dual layer DVDs. As a matter of fact which Dual Layers are you using? Ritek DL DVDs are rather common and are actually good quality (I use them more then Verbs simply because they cost less and I have great results.) Your burner could be the culprit.
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16. January 2008 @ 00:39 |
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well i haven't really burned any dl dvds before. i just used 2 of a 15 pack of hp and both wont play but they burn complete. i'm not sure if its the disks or my burner or my software. but somethings a rye.
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16. January 2008 @ 02:23 |
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yeah its probably the media hp is usually junk, you might get a good burn at 2.4x so try that
stick with Verbatim DVD+R DL as said next time
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16. January 2008 @ 05:49 |
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so far I've burnt 4 and only 1 plays. i burned 2 on imgburn and 2 on Nero and all at the same speed 2.4x, it all so could be the files. but I'm 1 out of 4 burnt and thats sad.
on another note i think Nero is better then imgburn at dl burns. but thats my opinion.
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16. January 2008 @ 10:28 |
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Hard to say based on your success rate with DLs. The majority here will recommend Verbatim +RDLs and imgburn is highly recommended for burning SLs and DLs.
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17. January 2008 @ 22:14 |
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I second Bilbo65's recommendation, Use Verbatim DL and burn with IMGBurn, (Booktype to DVD-ROM) I rip the disk image using AnyDVD in conjunction with DVDDecrypter set to .ISO mode. I have never had a problem or a coaster so far.
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18. January 2008 @ 05:54 |
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Even if your store allows you to return coasters, because of the effort put into burning a DVD, the finest is the least 'expensive' (my time is money, too). Verbatim is one of the few brand names (in the USA) that uses (currently) discs from the best manufacturers.
There are several 'super' media stores on the Web. I've found the prices of blank DVDs varies very greatly; and all stores vary similarly with time. Consequently, I subscribed to one's newsletter and graph the weekly price of the blank DVDs I need; then buy enough to last, when they're at a low.
My preference is for DVD+R DL, for the simplicity of burning double layers is why the DVD Alliance split from the Forum. They play fine on my computer & TV DVD players. (It's important to check.)
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18. January 2008 @ 07:38 |
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Verbatim- agreed !!!! It's the Paws , hands, tentacles, Flippers Down choice Or whatever other appendage you might have !!!!
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19. January 2008 @ 04:49 |
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Originally posted by Gneiss1:
Even if your store allows you to return coasters, because of the effort put into burning a DVD, the finest is the least 'expensive' (my time is money, too). Verbatim is one of the few brand names (in the USA) that uses (currently) discs from the best manufacturers.
There are several 'super' media stores on the Web. I've found the prices of blank DVDs varies very greatly; and all stores vary similarly with time. Consequently, I subscribed to one's newsletter and graph the weekly price of the blank DVDs I need; then buy enough to last, when they're at a low.
My preference is for DVD+R DL, for the simplicity of burning double layers is why the DVD Alliance split from the Forum. They play fine on my computer & TV DVD players. (It's important to check.)
And I thought it was because they didn't want to pay any licensing fees (which is the case).
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19. January 2008 @ 04:54 |
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DVD-R dls cannot be booktyped to dvd-rom and hence cannot be made compatible with stand alone dvd players. Yes the first layer will play, but the second won't.
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19. January 2008 @ 09:24 |
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If your looking for something a tad cheaper, TDK's 2.4x speed DVD+DL's are all RITEK's unlike their DVD+R's which are now even using CMC's.
I've used a bunch of them, burnt fine, 7 months and still no problems with them.
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19. January 2008 @ 17:49 |
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TDK manufactures very fine discs, but 'outsources' to other manufacturers, who themselves may outsource to others. If they're sold in anywhere in your country, go for them. Some stores don't list the manufacurer or its media code; you often need some utility software to find it. However, these don't often change, hence the value of forums such as this. CMC?
Infiniti in England also manufactures & sells very fine discs, but they were about the same price as Verbatim. I once considered buying discs from France, but after VATs & postage, it wasn't worth it.
Verbatim, TDK, & Infiniti sell LightScribe discs (though not in DLs yet, as far as I know).
Is 'bonehead' sure about dual layered DVD-Rs playing only one layer. There is sometimes a momentary pause beween layers, as the laser skips across the disc (which it needn't do with double-layered DVD+R discs, but they should play well. Neither will play on all DVD players: you should check your player's specs before buying (and buy only five at first, to test).
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19. January 2008 @ 19:45 |
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Originally posted by Gneiss1:
TDK manufactures very fine discs, but 'outsources' to other manufacturers, who themselves may outsource to others. If they're sold in anywhere in your country, go for them. Some stores don't list the manufacurer or its media code; you often need some utility software to find it. However, these don't often change, hence the value of forums such as this. CMC?
Infiniti in England also manufactures & sells very fine discs, but they were about the same price as Verbatim. I once considered buying discs from France, but after VATs & postage, it wasn't worth it.
Verbatim, TDK, & Infiniti sell LightScribe discs (though not in DLs yet, as far as I know).
Is 'bonehead' sure about dual layered DVD-Rs playing only one layer. There is sometimes a momentary pause beween layers, as the laser skips across the disc (which it needn't do with double-layered DVD+R discs, but they should play well. Neither will play on all DVD players: you should check your player's specs before buying (and buy only five at first, to test).
The statement "TDK manufactures very fine discs, but 'outsources'" doesn't make sense. TDK no longer manufactures discs, it just relabels someone else's.
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There is sometimes a momentary pause beween layers, as the laser skips across the disc (which it needn't do with double-layered DVD+R discs,
There will be a pause, even with pressed discs. Some players are better at it than others, but switching layers entails an adjustment that has to be made, it is not instantaneous. The format makes no difference, that's why it's very important to pick the layer break position very carefully. DL +R discs are not exempted.
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20. January 2008 @ 00:16 |
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MysticE kindly pointed out an error and clarified a statement, and I should like to point out another error. The EU's VAT isn't charged American orders.
Sorry to hear about TDK (for they once made fine discs). That error dates me.
Cause of the Pause
The pause I was writing of may no longer be a problem, This pause was at one time a perceptible one, needed to move and settle the laser beam after reading the first track on dual-layered discs. Double-layered disks write from the upper, inner tracks outward; and upon reaching a track near the periphery, the laser continues outward, jumping down to the lower track, refocusing a smidgen, and reversing its direction. (The use of 'smidgen' clarifies that I am not an engineer.) Dual-layered discs, however, write both layers outward (I understood, possibly incorrectly), at one time causing some players to stop or do other bad things. Hence its mention here.
Compatibility
However, after reading that dual-layered discs don't permit the booktype (kind of disc to be expected by the player) to be overwritten, I looked for and found a Philips writer that writes DVD-R DL discs (which initially required only a firmware change). This is important because Philips (& Verbatim, BTW) were 'major players' in creating the DVD+ Alliance. Here's why it was an easy fix.
A DVD's first byte (4-bit 'booktype', 4-bit 'part version')
The engineers of one my DVD players had never heard of a DVD+R disc, so the player doesn't know what to do with one. The booktype (first four bits on the disc) of DVD+R discs are overwritten to 0000 (DVD-ROM) by my writer, and really old players like mine play it correctly. It also plays DVD+R DL discs equally well. My only guess is that pressed discs may be typed DVD-ROM (computer data), and the Alliance emulated this format. Someone competant will correct me.
Writing & playing double- & dual-layered discs
There are booktypes for DVD+R and DVD+R DL, presumably for newer players. Although the the 16 possible types (2*4) don't appear used up, they must be; for DVD-R DL discs are typed 0010 (DVD-R). This might explain why 'bonehead's presumably older DVD writer thought it could only write one side. To write & play a dual-layered disc, one can conclude (probably wrongly) that a newer writer and newer player are both needed.
Use of the 'part version'
A newer writer reads the second half of the byte, the 'part version', and chooses a writing algorithm appropriate for DVD-R DL. New, very good (supermulti) writers seem very inexpensive. However, one also needs a newer player. (Some Cyberhome & Philips each cost about USD$40.) For older players that examine only the booktype, there would appear strange, mystical methods of masquerading the book type of a DVD-R DL disc. These are hacks out of my league. In fact, that last sentence doesn't even seem possible, given the complexity of the dual-layered format. Someone competent will correct me.
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20. January 2008 @ 07:53 |
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The Dog that didn't Bark
Sorry for the late note, but I checked by e-mail before bed & only now read MysticE's correction of the division within the DVD Forum. Sorry it was about money.
Because I stopped studying DVDs in the 90s, lest my head burst, if the split wasn't about the orientation of the writing of parallel tracks, much of what I wrote above is likely wrong. The only Forum document I ever saw specified they be written outward. One could see this would create problems with DL DVDs, so I assumed only DVD+R DLs behaved as described.
If MysticE is correct (and I've no doubt he or she is), DVD-R DLs could write this way, too. (I'm not looking it up, or I'll need a head shrink.) However, this wouldn't explain the long pauses when switching layers that I know have been problems in the past.
I'm sure someone kind will sort this out for you; and, it appears that 'bonehead's problem is likely unassociated with this (now missing) pause anyway.
Right. So, this explains why a pause that apparently isn't there is a problem. Right.
Goodnight.
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20. January 2008 @ 17:48 |
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Originally posted by MysticE:
...that's why it's very important to pick the layer break position very carefully. DL +R discs are not exempted.
I've always left the layer break standard in imgburn. Should I be adjusting it? I though that MDF/MDS files retain the correct position of a layer break when burning?
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21. January 2008 @ 02:46 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
Originally posted by MysticE:
...that's why it's very important to pick the layer break position very carefully. DL +R discs are not exempted.
I've always left the layer break standard in imgburn. Should I be adjusting it? I though that MDF/MDS files retain the correct position of a layer break when burning?
On an exact one to one copy you should be fine, but there are those who might choose to delete some trailers, warnings, special features etc. In that case it makes sense to check where ImgBurn wants to put it.
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21. January 2008 @ 09:29 |
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Oh look, a Verbatim sale just when we needed one!
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