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Dark Burn Rings on DVD-R?
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ptown
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27. January 2008 @ 22:25 |
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Hey Guys,
New member here but a veteran to the sport. I used the search feature and didn't find anything. I am encountering dark burn rings on the writable side of a completed DVD-R back-up movie. I have never encountered this in the past and I have experience with 8 different burners, over a dozen different burning programs and countless brands of media. The dark burn ring appears about 50% between the hole of the disc and the outer ring. It's about 1/8th of an inch thick and is slightly darker than the other written area. I am using a brand new Sony DRX-840U (about 10 DVD-R burns only) and Sony brand DVD-R media. When I watched the movie, about 20 minutes in, it froze for about 20 seconds and then jumped to the beginning of the next chapter. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your inputs.
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ptown
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28. January 2008 @ 01:22 |
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28. January 2008 @ 01:56 |
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I think it is an uneven burn, but on 8 different burners the same thing? Weird. Try imgburn to burn with, free from
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BTW 8 burners different makes or 1 make and model (8 burners)?
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28. January 2008 @ 04:23 |
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edit the pic to a link please or crop the pic so it doesn't mess up the margains with the thread
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28. January 2008 @ 06:29 |
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Picture the size of Nebraska changed to a link
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Amir89
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28. January 2008 @ 08:20 |
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Are all these Sony discs your using coming off one spindle, and are these "burn rings" present BEFORE burning?
It could be a bad batch of discs, try some other media.
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ptown
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28. January 2008 @ 09:37 |
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Quote:
think it is an uneven burn, but on 8 different burners the same thing? Weird. Try imgburn to burn with, free from
www.imgburn.com
BTW 8 burners different makes or 1 make and model (8 burners)?
iluvendo,
I wasn't sure if this problem was common or not. I was just stating the experience that I have backing-up movies. I have used 8 different burners (numerous brands in numerous different PCs/Laptops from internal to external. Sorry for the confusion. This issue has ONLY happened on the Sony DRX-840U that I mentioned which is brand new. As far as an uneven burn, I have the burner stacked on top of another burner. It appears to be level...what exactly causes an uneven burn? I use CloneDVD 2 w/ Anydvd 6.3.1.2, DVDFab Platinum 4 4.0.5.0 or Ripit4me 1.7.1.0 to do my back-ups. Thanks for your reply.
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Are all these Sony discs your using coming off one spindle, and are these "burn rings" present BEFORE burning?
It could be a bad batch of discs, try some other media.
Amir89,
I have a total of 3 back-ups that came out this way. These are from Sony 10-pack DVD-R boxes. Each disc comes with a jewel box. These are not from a spindle.
I have 2 boxes open and I'm pretty sure that one bad burn came from the first box and 2 came from the second box. They may have all been from the same box though, I really didn't pay attention. The burn rings are NOT there prior to burning. It's definitely coming from the burner somehow. When I use the same discs in my older Sony DRU external burn that is hooked up to a different PC using the same software, it DOES NOT happen.
ZoSoIV and creaky...sorry about the big pic, I just wanted to show detail. Next time, I'll keep Rhode Island in mind when I post a pic. LOL
Thanks again for the replies...
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28. January 2008 @ 09:43 |
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No worries, only jesting :)
Are you sure the dark ring doesn't tie up with where the end of the movie data ends ?, as (can't quite tell from the picture) that's where a 'dark ring' would normally be ??.. apologies if i haven't quite read the thread properly..
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ptown
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28. January 2008 @ 10:03 |
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creaky,
Typically, when I back-up a movie, the writable side of the disc (Sony media) changes from a dark purple to light purple. If it's a long movie, there is only about a 1/16th of unwritten area left on the outer edge of the DVD-R. The shorter movies (kids movies that are maybe an hour or less) may only take up about 50% of the writable area. However, when the burn ends, I have never seen rings so dark and visible. Usually, it's just a blunt end to the burn and then the unwritten area is present. The movies that I am encountering these issues with are 2 hours or longer apiece. Therefore, the dark burn rings are appearing about 50% into the burn and that area of the disc doesn't seem to be readable ie. the movie freezes and jumps to another chapter on its own. This is just strange behavior especially from a new Sony burner. Thanks again for your time.
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28. January 2008 @ 10:11 |
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I've only seen that happen one time to me, also on a Sony-R 16X disk, but I've burnt many many spindles of them and have never seen it since. The ring wasn't there before I burned it, but the movie would freeze in a stand alone player, and when run thru Nero, it would show up as bad sectors. Only one disk out of perhaps 500, Was most likely burned using Clone DVD on a lite-On SOHW 16393s drive,(Sony DRU-800A) firmware PSO9. Any of these criteria match your set up?
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28. January 2008 @ 15:16 |
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Originally posted by ptown:
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think it is an uneven burn, but on 8 different burners the same thing? Weird. Try imgburn to burn with, free from
www.imgburn.com
BTW 8 burners different makes or 1 make and model (8 burners)?
iluvendo,
I wasn't sure if this problem was common or not. I was just stating the experience that I have backing-up movies. I have used 8 different burners (numerous brands in numerous different PCs/Laptops from internal to external. Sorry for the confusion. This issue has ONLY happened on the Sony DRX-840U that I mentioned which is brand new. As far as an uneven burn, I have the burner stacked on top of another burner. It appears to be level...what exactly causes an uneven burn? I use CloneDVD 2 w/ Anydvd 6.3.1.2, DVDFab Platinum 4 4.0.5.0 or Ripit4me 1.7.1.0 to do my back-ups. Thanks for your reply.
Sounds like the $ony burner is the problem as I have seen this on my plextor 708 and 712 burners. Mine seem to be a slight uneven ( non uniform , not all areas of the optical side burned evenly ) burn, but the discs still play.Yours is much worse. Also the $ony discs maybe contributing to your problem, but I don't think so. As that the problem occurs on the $ony burner, return it for something better as a Liteon or Pioneer or Samsung.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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ptown
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28. January 2008 @ 15:40 |
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blivetNC,
I do have the Sony DRU-800A firmware PSO9 and that set-up has never given me any problems. This burner must just be faulty.
ilunendo,
I have been using this same Sony media since as far back as I can remember without any issues up until now. So...if I were to return this POS and get the "best burner on the market", can you guys provide me some links of what you would recommend? Thanks again fellas'
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28. January 2008 @ 16:10 |
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I have the Sony DRU-800a Crossflashed to the original Lite-On SOHW 1693 by using the firmware KC48, gives me better burns than the Sony Firmware for some reason, My favored drive now is a Lite-On LH-20A1H with firmware LLOC, (Lightscribe) and I don't think that you can go wrong with any of the Lite-On drives. All of my drives were purchased from NewEgg.Com. I must correct my earlier post, the firmware PS09 is for the Lite-On SHW-160P6S drive I am running VIA USB right now, which was the drive I burned the disk in question, needed to look back at the disk and see which burner burned the disk. The Sony Firmware was KY06, before I crossflashed it.
Firmware Page Here
I hope that this helps.
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28. January 2008 @ 17:46 |
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ptown, I agree with Brother blivetNC.Go with the Liteon, and if u r in the US try www.antonline.com for some decent prices on Liteons. BTW I have a Liteon DX-20A3H05 external.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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ptown
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28. January 2008 @ 19:01 |
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Thanks guys...I guess a new burner is going to be the best remedy for this issue.
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29. January 2008 @ 01:54 |
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plus newer dvd drives/burners are pretty inexpensive nowadays
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ptown
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29. January 2008 @ 12:13 |
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That's the strange part, the drive in question is only about a month old...maybe 12 burns or so. Only 3 gave me the dark burn rings.
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29. January 2008 @ 13:31 |
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you should be able to return it then
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MrCre8tiv
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9. February 2008 @ 10:57 |
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Ptown Did the new burner solve this problem. I have been dealing w/ freezing, skipping and generally poor quality copies for too long.
This "Ring" problem is just my latest but my discs seem to have more and larger rings than your pic. It's like saturn.
Has anyone else experienced this issue? It started out w/ the freezing about 3/4 thru the movie and has gotten progressively worse w/ more and more freezing - and most recently the rings have shown up and playback is freezing through out the flick - they won't play on a stand alone DVD player or on the pc - no reader will read these coasters.
I am using DVDfab and Nero 8 with an external I/O Magic 16x (IDVD16DDME) and Verbatim 16x +R. I always burn 'em slow, the hd is defraged and no multi-tasking and no labels. I'm ready to give up making copies and just keep the image on my hd. But I'd rather have a library of DVD's than all that hd space.
Any / all suggestions are appreciated
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ptown
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10. February 2008 @ 00:24 |
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Yes, I returned the burner...actually even exchanged it for the same exact model and I have had no more problems.
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10. February 2008 @ 00:39 |
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great i figured that was the problem
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11. February 2008 @ 22:29 |
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Originally posted by ptown:
Yes, I returned the burner...actually even exchanged it for the same exact model and I have had no more problems.
Sorry to hear the poor quality control on $ony's part.
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12. February 2008 @ 08:39 |
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@Mrcre8tiv
Perhaps you should take a nod from ptown and think about exchanging or purchasing a new burner. Your process sounds ok. Good blank media, i would think about testing another burner out it you have one available.
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Gilbert99
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22. June 2008 @ 15:53 |
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I have been having a similar problem. Running Vista, DVD shrink 3.2.0.15, Nero 6, on a Sony Vaio VGN-CR420E, MATSHITA UJ870QJ drive. Yea, I know old software and crappy equipment but the software has always worked for me and the comp was dirt cheap. Comp is less than 1 month old. Initialy using some of a friends Memorex DVD's with no problems, brought it home and started to use Memorex DVD's which I bought on sale (not the same model of DVD's) and starting having buring problems. At the end of the burn I am receiving an error message "burn not complete" and the dvd is ejected. The DVD has strange rings on it. The first half inch from the center will be ususal uniform color burn, then it ubruply changes to a darker color, in the next half inch it fades back to the correct lighter color. Then it repetes the same change and fade until the end of the burn. The DVD will sometimes run in the burning comp, but will not run in another comp or a stand alone DVD player. The optical drive on the playing comp acts as if it is at the end of travel for the laser. The successful DVD's that I burned earlier do not have the rings, uniform color across the entire surface.
First I thought it was bad media because Memorex is crap, I tried Sony's DVD's (because I have had really good luck with them, 200+ burns on an old HP desktop). No luck, so I read the above feed, and though it was a hardware issue. No sure why all of the sudden this is becoming an issue. Called Sony up and did not really get anywhere with cust support replacing the drive. Waiting on disks to image the hard drive, that is my next step before I send it in for a new optical drive.
Any help?
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