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15. February 2008 @ 04:26 |
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Hey,im not really sure about all the hardware specs etc of PC's etc,is this a good deal for £300?
CPU Intel pentium D DUAL CORE 6.4GHZ(Vista Ready)
Motherboard INTEL 945
Memory 4GB DDR2 667Mhz RAM
Hard Drive 320GB HD(WD, Maxtor or Seagate)
Optical Drive Dual Layer DVD-RW
Video Nvidia Geforce 7300 512MB PCI-Express VGA
and whats the best game out atm that it could run?(technically wise..not how good the game is)
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15. February 2008 @ 05:38 |
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Your best bet is to just see what games you want to play 'personal choice' and then look at the developer?s web site to see what the min/recommended specs are.
Every game released always shows that info and it is straight forward to find.
It is not all about the spec of a PC, it will also depend on how it is setup and tweaked 'if at all'.
You also omitted your operating system details (even though the cpu was listed as Vista ready)and the screen resolution you are able to utilize 'bigger the res - slower it will perform'.
945 chipset is quite old now, but how it performs depends on what board it is on and with what BIOS it has loaded.
Memory speed is one part of it, but what timings are you running as those impact on the performance as well?
Along those same lines, are you running 4x1GB or 2x2GB as that also will have an effect.
Also what GPU is it, as there are numerous 7300's with different spec's, chances are you have the GS 256 with turbo cache, this means you actually have 256MB memory on the GPU not 512MB, and it utilizes the system memory to make it up to 512MB.
P.S. you have a 3.2GHz Dual core ?not a 6.4GHz PC ?there is a difference?
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15. February 2008 @ 05:42 |
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hey,
well from what i see it is a good deal, tho i don't really know prices in the UK, but comparing that to the prices here in Finland, it's a really good deal!
And i'm guessing you can run pretty much any game, i might be wrong!
I dunno about best game atm, but S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of chernobyl is in my opinnion, as a game in whole the best, and technically demanding!
I'm running on pretty much the same specs except for Nvidia geforce 7950Gt 512mb...
For me this game lags when on too high res :)
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15. February 2008 @ 05:48 |
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it is 1x4GB i think.
Cool, i mite go ahead and buy it then,hopefully its easy enough to upgrade graphics cards(?) etc when i come across more money,lol.
The pc im running the now is SO old,i just took the console route an never kept up with my pc..in the mood for change.
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15. February 2008 @ 06:13 |
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I just put this list together from Scan, as the parts would be better than those listed.
The chipset is the latest P35 from Intel, the CPU is the far newer core 2 which means that although clock speed is slower than the one you listed it will still wipe the floor with it.
Memory is faster and good quality lifetime warranty.
DVD burner is dual layer as your listed was.
GPU is also DX10 which the 7300 series isn't.
Case is complet with PSU but you'd check it has at least 2 sata power connectors as it doesn't mention the spec, converters are available if required.
Just a thought.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 £77.51 Inc VAT
MSI P35 NEO2-FR £66.96 Inc VAT
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 £65.38 Inc VAT
320 Gb Western Digital WD3200AAJS £48.53 Inc VAT
Optiarc/NEC AD-7200S-01 20xDVD±R £15.50 Inc VAT
Asus TA-250 Midi Twr Case 400W PSU £35.24 Inc VAT
256/512 MB XFX 8400GS £26.19 Inc VAT
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inkleach
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15. February 2008 @ 06:36 |
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Originally posted by BigDK:
I just put this list together from Scan, as the parts would be better than those listed.
The chipset is the latest P35 from Intel, the CPU is the far newer core 2 which means that although clock speed is slower than the one you listed it will still wipe the floor with it.
Memory is faster and good quality lifetime warranty.
DVD burner is dual layer as your listed was.
GPU is also DX10 which the 7300 series isn't.
Case is complet with PSU but you'd check it has at least 2 sata power connectors as it doesn't mention the spec, converters are available if required.
Just a thought.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 £77.51 Inc VAT
MSI P35 NEO2-FR £66.96 Inc VAT
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 £65.38 Inc VAT
320 Gb Western Digital WD3200AAJS £48.53 Inc VAT
Optiarc/NEC AD-7200S-01 20xDVD±R £15.50 Inc VAT
Asus TA-250 Midi Twr Case 400W PSU £35.24 Inc VAT
256/512 MB XFX 8400GS £26.19 Inc VAT
Thanks,i would hate to even try an put a pc 2gether myself tho,is it easy to chnge the graphics cards proccessors?..i kinda dont know what im talkin about..but simply..will it b easy to uprgade the machine?lol
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15. February 2008 @ 07:30 |
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You can do that, but you will need to change the Power supply and the graphics card at least, doing that well will stand you at least £100 above the cost of the PC you buy. If you do that, you may as well have bought a better PC to start with.
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15. February 2008 @ 08:01 |
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945 chipset will be very limited as to the CPUs you can put in it as well, you'll probably be at the best or near it with the one you'd be getting.
only certain 945 chipsets support core 2 duo 'most don't'
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15. February 2008 @ 08:04 |
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Indeed, but I wasn't even considering upgrading the mediocre CPU otherwise the PC in its current form would be a complete waste of time - as you say it'd need a new mobo too. What does that leave, the memory, case and drives?
I was thinking though BigDK, maybe you could go with a cheaper mobo like the P35-DS3L and get a better graphics card with the extra? In fact, since the system's a gaming PC, I'm thinking a GPU is going to be more important than having 4GB of RAM, I can only go over 2GB in two games, and that's because I max the settings, something you're not going to be doing with an 8400GS...
Here's my idea
Intel Core 2 Duo E2160 £43.65 - still a powerful CPU, but dirt cheap
Gigabyte P35-DS3L £59.91 - well featured motherboard from a reliable brand
2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 £35.12 CAS4 High performance RAM
320 Gb Western Digital WD3200AAJS £48.53 excellent drive
Optiarc/NEC AD-7200S-01 20xDVD±R £15.50 Inc VAT ditto
Coolermaster Centurion 5 & Corsair VX 450W PSU £77.53 total
256MB Sapphire HD2600XT £55.93
Think that makes a bit of an upgrade from the original system posted!
comes in at £356 + delivery.
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15. February 2008 @ 08:31 |
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The options are unlimted, personally I agreee that a GPU would make more sdense than the extra 2GB of memory, it depends on how closely the original spec wants to be kept to.
I always tend to lean towards as much OC possibilty as possible 'just can't stop myself' but that other board would be a very good bet.
inkleach - if you need some advice on building a system then you'll get it here, its not that hard to do at all.
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15. February 2008 @ 08:48 |
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Indeed, and once you've done it once, you need not rely on pre-built value units ever again!
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15. February 2008 @ 13:04 |
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so where is the cheapest place to buy the components if i was going to build it myself?
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inkleach
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15. February 2008 @ 13:17 |
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ok,im convinced..i'll try and build my own.
so which is the better of the 2 ideas that were posted?
It is mainly going to be for gaming purposes, and i dont really know where to start if im buying all the components seperately.
Thanks for the help guys
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15. February 2008 @ 13:21 |
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Well, that's what we do best. First of all tell us which country you live in. Then we can find the best components for you to use, an instruct you on how to put them together. All we need to know is what sort of games you play, and what your budget is.
If the lists we've outlined are in your price range, then that's fine. The second list is more oriented towards a gamer, the first (from BigDK) is a slightly more powerful PC in other areas, but it won't be as good for gaming.
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inkleach
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15. February 2008 @ 13:24 |
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i live in the uk,
i guess the games i wanna be able to play the most are FPS,rpg,mmorpg..
The likes of s.t.a.l.k.e.r would b my goal i guess,maybe not straight away but..eventually
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15. February 2008 @ 13:27 |
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Ok, well STALKER is doable, but it is recommended to have 4GB of RAM for that, it uses more RAM than any other game I know, Crysis included.
If you can afford to spend around £30 extra go with the 4GB of Memory that BigDK posted.
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15. February 2008 @ 13:37 |
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ok..well if u post up the 'pc' i'de need to run the likes of stalker that'de be ace,i'll get whatever parts i can afford atm then get the rest when i get paid next
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15. February 2008 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Indeed, but I wasn't even considering upgrading the mediocre CPU otherwise the PC in its current form would be a complete waste of time - as you say it'd need a new mobo too. What does that leave, the memory, case and drives?
I was thinking though BigDK, maybe you could go with a cheaper mobo like the P35-DS3L and get a better graphics card with the extra? In fact, since the system's a gaming PC, I'm thinking a GPU is going to be more important than having 4GB of RAM, I can only go over 2GB in two games, and that's because I max the settings, something you're not going to be doing with an 8400GS...
Here's my idea
Intel Core 2 Duo E2160 £43.65 - still a powerful CPU, but dirt cheap
Gigabyte P35-DS3L £59.91 - well featured motherboard from a reliable brand
2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2 £35.12 CAS4 High performance RAM
320 Gb Western Digital WD3200AAJS £48.53 excellent drive
Optiarc/NEC AD-7200S-01 20xDVD±R £15.50 Inc VAT ditto
Coolermaster Centurion 5 & Corsair VX 450W PSU £77.53 total
256MB Sapphire HD2600XT £55.93
Think that makes a bit of an upgrade from the original system posted!
comes in at £356 + delivery.
i could probably afford to get all of that this month (with 2x2GB instead) apart from the PSU and 256MB Sapphire HD2600XT,would it have problems playing the newer games on the market?
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15. February 2008 @ 15:36 |
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15. February 2008 @ 17:59 |
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I too have found ebuyer's service to be satisfactory most of the time.
Does he really need the E4500 though BigDK? It's nearly twice as much as the E2160...
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15. February 2008 @ 18:39 |
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I didn't find any stats on the E2160 for gaming at the time, so didn't list it.
Having done some more research, it appears that the 2160 is quite a good cpu for gaming and handles OCing nicely, so getting 3ghz shouldn't be a problem if extra grunt is required for some games.
Going that route would bring the system to the right price just about, and at least it would be be pretty future proof and made with some quality components.
Only thing I struggled to really decide on was the graphics card, maybe someone with more experience hands on with a card at around £40-£50 could advise how they handle the latest games.
I at least wanted to give something to buy rather than leave the GPU sggestion blank.
All in all it will be a far better system, and the pleasure of building it and running it will be worth the effort.
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15. February 2008 @ 18:54 |
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I think either the HD2600XT or HD3650 will do fine for most games...
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16. February 2008 @ 03:27 |
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16. February 2008 @ 03:42 |
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rite...i think i'll start ordering it later,got free delivery at ebuyer the now
Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Case With CM eXtreme Power 460W PSU
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MSI P35 Neo2-FR iP35
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Intel Core 2 Duo E2160
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OCZ 4GB Kit (2x2GB) 800MHz/PC2-6400
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Seagate ST3250410AS 250GB Hard Drive SATAII
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Optiarc AD-7200S 20X DVD±RW/DL/RAM Internal SATA
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..i dont think i'll ever use a floppy drive,not sure about the graphics card either..should i go for the HD2600XT or HD3650..is there a big difference between the two?
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16. February 2008 @ 04:14 |
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If you ar laoding Vista then the floppy won't be required.
If you are running XP then you'll either need a floppy or a usb stick to load the raiddrivers for the sata drive.
When you load and get the f6 prompt, you'll need to add the drivers to support the sata drive as they won't be on the XP disk unless you've built yourself a doctored copy rebuilt with the drivers in it 'unlikley'.
You can use a usb stick formatted to fat16, or use the floppy from your present pc just to get the drivers loaded, once its up and running you can just power down and remove from system.
Heres a comparison between the cards 'bear in mind the versions they are using' but it will give a good idea of how they perform in various areas, the power consumption and noise.
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/ATI_..._Arrive/?page=1
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