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Serious Heat Problem! Help?
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13. March 2008 @ 23:09 |
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Recently, I made a semi-build. I just took the Inspiron 531 and replaced all the parts except the Motherboard.
I've been trying so damn hard the past 3 days to lower my temps, but I'm just driving myself NUTS!
Here's my specs before I go any further:
EVGA 800GT
Corsair 450VX 450W PSU
AMD 6400+ 3.2GHz
4GB G.skill Memory
So, when I first made the build it stayed around 45, but recently, after constant use, it began SKY ROCKETING! I was getting an average of 62c to 71c!
I went out, bought two fans. One on each side of my graphics card blowing AT it from both sides. One goes in 2 PCI slots, and the other is actually hanging lose on the opposite side, but I have it attached with wire.
Also, I put a liberal amount of Belkin thermal heatsink gunk on the chasis area for my processor.
I put the PC on with the side of the case off and it was read at around 45c-53c. I figured that would be pushing it, but still useable, right? I put the side-case back on, and now it's averaging 52c-60c.
As I open up my two temp programs (Speedfan & Nvida Monitor), it states GPU: 52c & Core: 58c.
I'm lost... how do I drop it to a safe temp? I seriously almost want to give up. What do I have to do? PLEASE help me.
PS: I think most of the heat is the 8800GT because it seriously almost... ALMOST felt like it was burning, but I got that somewhat under control now with the two fans, but still toasty. I have a total now of 5 fans in my case. One in my PSU, one in the 8800GT, two blowing air on each side of the 8800GT, one over my processor, and that's it.
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Grimstar
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14. March 2008 @ 00:14 |
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What heatsink is that?
I hate to say something like this but sometimes heatsinks aren't as flat as they should be...they are actually concave and need to be lapped (annoying process of sanding it) in order to make it so they sit on the cpu nicely.
You also said you put a liberal amount of thermal paste on...you really only need a small line of it. Googling should bring up some results about how much to apply.
Because I'm not sure which direction your fans are blowing, make sure you have the air moving in one direction (usually intake on the front/side, and outtake on the back (and top))
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14. March 2008 @ 00:29 |
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reseat the cpu heatsink fan assembly with less heatsink compound.
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14. March 2008 @ 01:43 |
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Originally posted by Grimstar:
What heatsink is that?
I hate to say something like this but sometimes heatsinks aren't as flat as they should be...they are actually concave and need to be lapped (annoying process of sanding it) in order to make it so they sit on the cpu nicely.
You also said you put a liberal amount of thermal paste on...you really only need a small line of it. Googling should bring up some results about how much to apply.
Because I'm not sure which direction your fans are blowing, make sure you have the air moving in one direction (usually intake on the front/side, and outtake on the back (and top))
I'm not sure of the type of heatsink it is. It just came with the PC. It actually is very flat, too.
A small line? Really? The back of the box itself said to apply a large drop in the center and rub it along going both directions with the card that came with it. I will google it also and look into that, and either way try it out anyway with just a thin line coating.
As for the fans, I have two blowing at the 8800GT Video Card from both sides, one in the back blowing the air out, and another blowing the air down on the processor. I also have one in my PSU but I'm not sure, nor can I tell where it's blowing. I think it's blowing inside it? Hmm, I just can't tell honestly.
Thanks a lot for taking your time and commenting. It may have helped me once I try out using less thermal paste. Thanks.
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14. March 2008 @ 01:50 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
reseat the cpu heatsink fan assembly with less heatsink compound.
I'm actually gonna try that right away, but is it safe to ask why use less, and what benefit it has?
Thanks.
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14. March 2008 @ 02:47 |
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Originally posted by Seclusive:
Originally posted by ddp:
reseat the cpu heatsink fan assembly with less heatsink compound.
I'm actually gonna try that right away, but is it safe to ask why use less, and what benefit it has?
Thanks.
Okay, so I added a lot less, but unfortunately, the temps are the same as they were. I'm reading at 53c.
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14. March 2008 @ 02:51 |
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Originally posted by Seclusive:
Originally posted by Grimstar:
What heatsink is that?
I hate to say something like this but sometimes heatsinks aren't as flat as they should be...they are actually concave and need to be lapped (annoying process of sanding it) in order to make it so they sit on the cpu nicely.
You also said you put a liberal amount of thermal paste on...you really only need a small line of it. Googling should bring up some results about how much to apply.
Because I'm not sure which direction your fans are blowing, make sure you have the air moving in one direction (usually intake on the front/side, and outtake on the back (and top))
I'm not sure of the type of heatsink it is. It just came with the PC. It actually is very flat, too.
A small line? Really? The back of the box itself said to apply a large drop in the center and rub it along going both directions with the card that came with it. I will google it also and look into that, and either way try it out anyway with just a thin line coating.
As for the fans, I have two blowing at the 8800GT Video Card from both sides, one in the back blowing the air out, and another blowing the air down on the processor. I also have one in my PSU but I'm not sure, nor can I tell where it's blowing. I think it's blowing inside it? Hmm, I just can't tell honestly.
Thanks a lot for taking your time and commenting. It may have helped me once I try out using less thermal paste. Thanks.
Seems having less didn't help. I really just don't know what to do. I'm at 53c right now. Maybe I need a new open-ventilated case? Blah. :(
Thanks for helping me though.
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14. March 2008 @ 03:17 |
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try using arctic silver 5 instead of the thermal paste you're using. also, when removing the old paste, use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to remove the paste from the cpu and heatsink.
when applying as5, you just need a small drop smack dab in the middle of the cpu; should be the size of a BB (amd uses the BB size, intel uses the thin line). once done, just seat the heatsink into place.
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Grimstar
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14. March 2008 @ 16:56 |
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Like the above poster said make sure you use isopropyl alcohol to remove any old paste before applying new paste. As for applying it in a line, it really depends on the CPU. I have a Q6600 in mine and doing the line makes it so it goes across all of the cores nicely.
Your dot method works too...just have to make sure it's not too much. The reason for not putting a lot on is that you are just putting it down as a thing conductivity layer between the heatsink and cpu. Neither are perfectly flat, so the paste gets in little nooks and crannies and helps with heat transfer, where as putting too much would actually decrease heat transfer.
If that is the heatsink that came with your processor then that could be the problem too. Third party heatsinks can lower temps a LOT depending on how bad yours is and how good the one is you get. Might knock 10 degrees off.
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ddp
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14. March 2008 @ 17:35 |
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is there a black or pinkish square patch on the bottom of the heatsink?
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14. March 2008 @ 21:05 |
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Originally posted by Grimstar:
Like the above poster said make sure you use isopropyl alcohol to remove any old paste before applying new paste. As for applying it in a line, it really depends on the CPU. I have a Q6600 in mine and doing the line makes it so it goes across all of the cores nicely.
Your dot method works too...just have to make sure it's not too much. The reason for not putting a lot on is that you are just putting it down as a thing conductivity layer between the heatsink and cpu. Neither are perfectly flat, so the paste gets in little nooks and crannies and helps with heat transfer, where as putting too much would actually decrease heat transfer.
If that is the heatsink that came with your processor then that could be the problem too. Third party heatsinks can lower temps a LOT depending on how bad yours is and how good the one is you get. Might knock 10 degrees off.
So according to my issues, do you agree with everyone else that it's my processor/heatsink? I really thought it was my 8800, but then again this is my first attempt at learning to build so I don't know as much as I should.
So a new hestsink could be an answer? I'm gonna have to look in to that then. I'm starting to feel so defeated right now it's sickening because I just spent 600 dollars and feel like I want to just return everything and keep my PC as shitty as it was. I also don't want to spend more money just to feel as though I failed again. This PC runs and looks so beautiful now I really REALLY wanna save it.
I left my PC on tonight and went to bed. The PC created SO much heat it was like my room was on fire and I couldn't even breath.
Let me ask you though... what is a really great heatsink? I'm desperate and guess I'll just spend whatever I can and make this the last attempt, unless another culprit could be determined.
I was wondering also... do you think it could be my PSU? I was thinking maybe it could be too low at 450W... or maybe it's my Motherboard? Are those possibilities?
Thanks so much for any help. I desperately needed it and am gonna look in to that.
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14. March 2008 @ 21:07 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
is there a black or pinkish square patch on the bottom of the heatsink?
Nope. It's just a flat silver surface. I also didn't see anything colored like that anywhere else on the heatsink. It's all black and silver.
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14. March 2008 @ 21:11 |
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Originally posted by Grimstar:
Like the above poster said make sure you use isopropyl alcohol to remove any old paste before applying new paste. As for applying it in a line, it really depends on the CPU. I have a Q6600 in mine and doing the line makes it so it goes across all of the cores nicely.
Forgot to add to this. I did actually use Isopropyl Alcohol. I used those little medical cloth ones and wiped it clean, and got rid of all the paste that may of gotten stuck in the outside crevases and even wiped the processor itself clean. I then added a straight line across and wiped it across 4 times with a card up and down until it was nice and flat.
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ddp
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14. March 2008 @ 22:24 |
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you used to much as supposed to be about the size of an air rifle's bb. is the cpu set up right in the bios as might be overclocked accidently causing your heat problem?
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14. March 2008 @ 23:31 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
you used to much as supposed to be about the size of an air rifle's bb. is the cpu set up right in the bios as might be overclocked accidently causing your heat problem?
The BIOS unfortunately is locked out for the most part. Doesn't even allow overclocking. There are only few options at my disposal. Motherboard that came with the Dell is kind of crappy. According to the stats also, it doesn't seem to be overclocked accidently either.
Thanks for helping me, but i personally don't think I'm going anywhere with this after all. Someone suggested a new third party heatsink, so maybe that might do me some good. I'm just nervous about wasting more money.
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ddp
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15. March 2008 @ 00:00 |
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if that heatsink fan assembly came with that cpu then you should not have that heat problem.
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15. March 2008 @ 00:22 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
if that heatsink fan assembly came with that cpu then you should not have that heat problem.
The heatsink came by default with my Inspiron 531 and was plated over an AMD 4000+ 2.1GHz and now I have the AMD 6400+ 3.2GHz, so that's a massive leap in my eyes. Could it be the heatsink isn't designed for this new processor?
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15. March 2008 @ 00:29 |
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definately the heatsink is the problem. since you're using a factory heatsink from the 4000+, the 6400+ is producing much more heat the heatsink can take.
upgrading the heatsink to a copper core or all copper unit is best. but be warned, most aftermarket heatsinks are big, so you will need to have room inside the case. you'll have to remove the spot fan.
arctic cooling freezer 64 pro or a zalman unit is what you should look into. zalmans are on the pricey side, but they are well designed.
also, your 8800GT will always run on the hot side, due to the single slot design. i had the same evga 8800GT, and i had to keep the fan at 65%, with nVidia ntune, to stay at 49*c idle. i traded the 8800GT for a diamond HD3870, and it's been idling at 49*c idle without tweaking the fan.
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ddp
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15. March 2008 @ 00:31 |
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that is your problem that you didn't tell us about. replace that cpu heatsink fan assembly with 1 rated for your cpu ASAP.
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15. March 2008 @ 04:35 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
that is your problem that you didn't tell us about. replace that cpu heatsink fan assembly with 1 rated for your cpu ASAP.
Okay. Will do ASAP. But is the heatsink really that vital that it could get my temp down so drastically that it would be okay? I honestly looked in to as much as I can about precautions and neccessities when adding new more powerful hardware inside, and honestly, for some strange reason, didn't even think about the heatsink, as I thought they wouldn't make too much of a difference. I guess I'm insanely wrong, huh?
With a powerful new heatsink, you think I am expecting at least a safe drop? I'm idling at 54-58. Also, what would be considered safe for a temp?
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15. March 2008 @ 04:43 |
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Originally posted by cee43ja1:
definately the heatsink is the problem. since you're using a factory heatsink from the 4000+, the 6400+ is producing much more heat the heatsink can take.
upgrading the heatsink to a copper core or all copper unit is best. but be warned, most aftermarket heatsinks are big, so you will need to have room inside the case. you'll have to remove the spot fan.
arctic cooling freezer 64 pro or a zalman unit is what you should look into. zalmans are on the pricey side, but they are well designed.
also, your 8800GT will always run on the hot side, due to the single slot design. i had the same evga 8800GT, and i had to keep the fan at 65%, with nVidia ntune, to stay at 49*c idle. i traded the 8800GT for a diamond HD3870, and it's been idling at 49*c idle without tweaking the fan.
Thank you so much for all of your help. I am definitely gonna look in to one of the heatsinks you reccomended and try out a little research on some other great ones. It's just astonishing to me that the heatsink would be that vital. Honestly, am I expecting a huge drop in temp? I really hope so. This 58c crap is getting me down. I only turn this thing on to look at e-mail, write here in afterdawn, and then I turn it off just to be safe and bore myself to death.
Man, it was bound that mistakes and issues would arise from customizing my first PC to get a taste of it and learn, but what a stupid overlook I did with the heatsink. I guess that's how it goes, huh? Learn with mistakes.
I'm gonna get a new heatsink as soon as cash is in my hand and then I will repost to this thread the results, and I'm hoping they're good. I want to play COD4 without being afraid :( I'm so close yet so far lol.
Again, thanks so much, you and the mod who have been posting here have GREATLY helped me.
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15. March 2008 @ 05:02 |
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if you get a proper heatsink, you should see a drop into the 30s. 6400+ do run hot, though.
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15. March 2008 @ 12:52 |
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you'll probably be sitting in the high 30's or low 40's once you get the new heatsink fan assembly.
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15. March 2008 @ 23:41 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
you'll probably be sitting in the high 30's or low 40's once you get the new heatsink fan assembly.
I was looking at reccomendations another user stated about a heatsink, and accidently, I came across this: http://www.xoxide.com/kingwin-gladiator-silver.html
Does that look decent? It's a water-cooled heatsink without even needing a water-cooling system.
I also read up on this Zalman fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118118 and read in the reviews it even got someones temp down 20 degrees, and another down 15.
I am debating which one to get when I get money on Friday, but I'm hoping you, or maybe someone else here who see's this post can reccomend me one of these or had any prior experience with them? Thanks.
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19. March 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Bought a KINGWIN Revolution RVT Heatsink. It's half copper and aluminum. Newegg was having a deal on it and thought I'd read on it.
In reveiws, someone actually stated their temps dropped in an old Dell case by nearly 20 degrees and they had the same processor as me, so I saw that personally as my best piece of proof for a good heatsink for my situation.
I was averaging temps around 58-61c with the default heatsink... and after installing this thing(Which was so hard by the way! God damn fat fingers and giant heatsink!), my temperature was averaging around 43-47c. I typically stay within a 15 degree drop, and when I play Call of Duty 4, the temp raises to around 51c, and on occasion raises as high as 54c. Is that okay and expected?
After reading reveiws on thermal compounds, I found that Arctic Silver 5 had some competition with a newer brand most claim is now better and/or just as good, and it was called Tuniq TX-2. By chance, this compound came as a combo with the heatsink for only an extra 3 bucks, so I went for it and used it. It was definitely thicker than the Belkin crap I used and was generally less expensive, and seems to work well, though without trying other compounds, I can't say if it really is better, but i'm happy either way.
Right at this second as I look at my temp at idle, it says 44c before jumping to 46c, then going back down, and then up again to 45c. Seems to have a lot of fluctuation. Now, is this considered a good temp? Am I still in any danger?
Thanks for all the help, everyone. It only cost me a total of 32 bucks to get my PC cooler.
PS: When the case door is off, it is 35c, and when I installed the heatsink and checked my temp with the door off, my damn mouth dropped. Is this a sign that maybe I could use a new case in the future with better ventilation?
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