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Bad Verbs!!!!!!!!!!!
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rog36
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9. June 2008 @ 21:35 |
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I've used thousands of Verbs over the years and never had a problem.
Office Max had a sale on them,$24.99 per hundred, so I bought 300.
The first two hundred were fine, it was the last that was defective.
I think out of the hundred, seventy were bad. I thought something was wrong with my burner, not verbs, never had a problem, bought with confidence. Sure enough bought some Maxells worked like a champ. After I used those up decided to try again, just from a different store, so I bought a 50 pack from BB, same problem. I've bought Verbs. from dozens of locations and never had a problem until now. To say the least my confidence in them has waviered.
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9. June 2008 @ 22:02 |
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Welcome to AD rog36.
your talking right up my alley now.
ive been on the look out for these bad verbs myself.
let me ask ya this.the bad verbs you got were they the new style?light blue packageing and the new face on the disc?
and was the first 200 the older style verbs? in the darker blue packageing and the older look to the face of the disc?
better yet. where were they made? made in tiwain or made in india?
myself i am finding the newer style verbs being of bad quality.
i have no real proof other than burning them and finding out they sucked up the place.
so if you can try adn get the older style verbs and stay away from the newer stuff.
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rog36
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9. June 2008 @ 22:14 |
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All three were in the new packaging. But the bad ones were from Taiwan the good ones were made in India. I also noticed that the ones made in India have a slightly different plastic cover over them, at least with the hundred stacks. I can pretty much pick them out by sight now.
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10. June 2008 @ 13:07 |
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I would like to clarify something here. We all know or have the assumption that MII Verbs have lower quality than MIS verbs, ok. BUT 70 out of 100 are BAD? Even if the bad ones were MII, it's NOT because they are MII, yes they are assumed to have lower quailty, but 70/100 bad cannot be because of MII, I'm almost sure it's burner side that's giving you the problem.
There might be slight quality difference but it's not night and day and certainly not 70 coasters out of 100 discs.
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10. June 2008 @ 13:15 |
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you make a good point burningas. but how does his burner problem effect the rest of us with the same issues as his, we all arent burning on his burner we all cant have bad burners
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rog36
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10. June 2008 @ 23:34 |
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If there is something wrong with my burner then I would have problems burning with other manufactured disk. I've tried hundreds since then TDK, SONY, and a 30pk of Maxell today. Guess what, no coasters. No hardware issues here, the blame lies with the disk. Who knows what happened with the manufacturing of those disk, someone screwed up along the line, things happen people make mistakes, but it wasn't the makers of my burner. You can't believe that 70 out of 100 can happen, well I never thought gas would be $4.00+ a gallon either, but that happened too.
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11. June 2008 @ 00:35 |
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rog36 what burner are you using? what speed are you burning at? which program are you burning with? You might consider a f/w flash to give your drive a fresh "new" feel. lol. You never know it could have some issues with the Verb's!! I've heard of it before but NEVER had the issue myself. ;)
If you can answer those questions it might help in some way. ;) It's a shame to get so many discs that are "bad". btw is there a "difference" in the dye on the "bad" discs?? So many possibilities as to why you are having these issues.
....gm
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rog36
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11. June 2008 @ 14:38 |
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My burner is a Plextor PX-810UF, not to mention the one that came with my computer. I didn't start this thread with a problem to solve, just sharing an interesting development. I've tried everything in the book , slow burns, fast burns and everything in between. Like I stated before, if no other disks by multiple companies has given me any problems, then common sense dictates it has to be the disk. I just think that some of us should open up to other possibilities, other then the old fall back "something wrong with your burner". I've been doing this for quite a while now, and I've ran across every problem you can imagine, I've got multiple programs to burn with, multiple programs to encode, multiple programs to view. There's no other answer except the one some refuse to accept, It's the Verbs..
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cyclist
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11. June 2008 @ 15:20 |
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Yep. me, too. I agree that it's the Verbatims. I've used about three hundred of them over the last two years. I even bought a stack for my daughter as they were "bullet-proof." Not any more, though.
Verbatim DVD-R 16X
Media code/Manufacturer ID - MCC 03RG20
A spool of 100 that I bought last July were the first to be bad. About 1/3 of they way through the spool I ran into problems (verify burn - Nero - unable to read from near the end of a full disc). I bought two more fifty packs since then and have run into the same problem (with about 60 left). Every Verbatim before that had worked flawlessly,
I even had Verbatim send me some of the newly packaged ones as warranty for the bad ones from last July (they did not hesitate to offer to replace mine). http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/583558
They worked fine, too, until about half way through the pack, now they are doing the same thing.
I can burn to the Sony's I happened to have with no problem (DVD-R, DVD+R and DVD-RW).
I'm not buying any more Verbatims. I'm hoping the Sony discs go on sale somewhere soon.
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11. June 2008 @ 17:55 |
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I'll toss my 2˘ in this mix.
I think it could well be a burner issue, with this caviot:
You have at least 2 different facilities making these discs by how many companies? The discs manufactured in India are probably made in the Moser Baer plant. Who and where is manufacturing the Taiwan discs I have no idea. If someone could attract Joe Ryan's attention, he might be able to tell us.
The caviot is this; how doe we know the manufacturers are using the same dye formulation? I'm guessing not if the discs have the same MID.
Having the wrong dye for a particular write strategy will lead to major problems/errors. Remember when the first 16x discs came out and the problems people had until updated firmware could be issued.
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11. June 2008 @ 18:14 |
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Originally posted by cyclist:
Verbatim DVD-R 16X
Media code/Manufacturer ID - MCC 03RG20
well i found these to be not so good also. i had gotten 200 them for christmas last year and they were garbage. took them back and got the +r's MCC004 best stuff in town.........hands down.
as Hobbit stated it has alot to do with stuf we will never know just our specualtion. are they useing the same die/die formula. that is the big question there.....for me and my thoughts on it if im buying the verbs and i will continue. it will be the older packaged stuff. unless i cant find them anywhere..
kinda off topic here. but i have gotten a few of the offiedepot 16x+r's F16 coded. they have been some great burning disc so far. ive only burnt about 12 or so but no problems at all...
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11. June 2008 @ 22:36 |
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Last year I had problems with those 16X (-) MCC 03RG20, I haven't bought any since that time. The verbs 16X (+) are the only ones I buy now. I think there is a definite disc mfg/quality problem on those (-) verbs. Your post just reaffirms what I have suspected since last year.
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12. June 2008 @ 13:41 |
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Originally posted by jony218:
I think there is a definite disc mfg/quality problem on those (-) verbs.
But 70 out of 100? That's 70% failure rate. It's 2008, the reason has got to be something else. Not the quality of media.
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12. June 2008 @ 21:12 |
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Originally posted by rog36:
I've used thousands of Verbs over the years and never had a problem.
Office Max had a sale on them,$24.99 per hundred, so I bought 300.
The first two hundred were fine, it was the last that was defective.
I think out of the hundred, seventy were bad. I thought something was wrong with my burner, not verbs, never had a problem, bought with confidence. Sure enough bought some Maxells worked like a champ. After I used those up decided to try again, just from a different store, so I bought a 50 pack from BB, same problem. I've bought Verbs. from dozens of locations and never had a problem until now. To say the least my confidence in them has waviered.
Originally posted by rog36:
My burner is a Plextor PX-810UF, not to mention the one that came with my computer. I didn't start this thread with a problem to solve, just sharing an interesting development. I've tried everything in the book , slow burns, fast burns and everything in between. Like I stated before, if no other disks by multiple companies has given me any problems, then common sense dictates it has to be the disk. I just think that some of us should open up to other possibilities, other then the old fall back "something wrong with your burner". I've been doing this for quite a while now, and I've ran across every problem you can imagine, I've got multiple programs to burn with, multiple programs to encode, multiple programs to view. There's no other answer except the one some refuse to accept, It's the Verbs..
I've "highlighted" some areas of your initial post and it seemed that you were having a "problem" and you know how we all like to help. :)
I should have known by the way your first post was setup... NO drive info, NO disc info, and NO real request for help. Sorry that I've asked some questions to determine the ACTUAL problem.
If you can find out about the batch # or if the dye seems "bad" on the discs that were NOT burning that would be nice to convey... We all want the best discs possible and NORMALLY Verbatim DVD+R delivers for sure... Some have had issues with the DVD-R 16X but it's sporadic at best.
Sony, TY, and Ritek seem to be decent media as well. I hope you find something that works best for you. :)
Good luck and happy hunting.. :D
....gm
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JoeRyan
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13. June 2008 @ 18:13 |
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Moser Baer manufactures the Verbatim discs from India. CMC manufactures the discs from Taiwan. Both companies use MCC/MKK stampers approved by Mitsubishi Chemical.
The description of the problem sounds as though it is due to faulty discs, and the clues as to the problem lie in the details. One problem that easily happens is that a piece of debris--and it can so small as to be nearly invisible--lands on a stamper or sits in the polycarbonate and damages the stamper when the injection molding machine engages. The damage can be temporary in lucky cases or permanent in the case of the stamper. The stamper would have to be removed and repaired or replaced. A lot of discs can get through the line of a production line using double cavities, but sooner or later QC will catch the problem and stop the line. (Unless the flaw is in the ATIP section, laser detectors catch flaws because every disc is scanned before print stations. If the flaw is in the ATIP, the disc will fail to work from the start; but QC pulls discs every hour to put them through the entire record procedurem, and they would catch ATIP flaws then.) This does not sound like the problem people are describing.
Several accounts have spoken of failures beginning a third of the way through a spindle or "70%" failure rate--the same rate as 2/3rds bad in a 100-count spindle. That sounds like a packaging issue. There can be two causes of that kind of problem: 1) debris in the pack that gets pressed onto a disc from the increasing weight of a stack of 100 discs, or 2) physical distortion of the bottom 2/3rds of a spindle either from uneven shrink wrap or some other flaw in the package. One way to check for this problem is to use the Plextools utility looking for focus errors on a blank, unrecorded disc and noting where the errors become unacceptable. My guess is that the errors will increase toward the outer edge, meaning that the write laser cannot follow the wobble guide because the outer part of the disc is out of focal range. That's an indication of tilt, the same kind of problem that plagues DVD discs with paper labels on them.
Even small changes in packaging can have an effect on discs without any change in the dye or vacuum deposit. The description of the problem sounds eerily similar to physical distortion, and Plextools may be able to give some evidence to confirm that hunch.
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13. June 2008 @ 21:09 |
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The Guru of recordable media (here at aD) has spoken.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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