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+/- R disks. I gotta ask again.
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marduke
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20. September 2008 @ 05:58 |
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I read the other posts about difference between +R and -R disks but I'm still kind of lost. What is "Booktyping"? Seems people have their own preference towards + and - and how to use it. I had to make a backup last night and made one disk in +R and did it again in -R just to be safe.
Would someone please tell me the difference between + and - media (without using the word booktyping).
Would someone explain booktyping and how to do it.
Which would be recommended for copying a movie.
Which would be recommended for copying a data disk.
I have 5 Lite-on burners(various models) at home on different computers.
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20. September 2008 @ 08:55 |
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marduke
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20. September 2008 @ 09:26 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/698414
I read the other posts about difference between +R and -R disks but I'm still kind of lost.
Still the same. Lost !
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20. September 2008 @ 14:31 |
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20. September 2008 @ 14:59 |
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Just passing thru.. i would normally have closed this thread by now as we have countless threads with these same questions here and the answers are all the same :)
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20. September 2008 @ 15:23 |
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Quote:
I have 5 Lite-on burners(various models) at home on different computers.
They should be able to handle either format. The issue will be your standalone players being able to handle either format with or without booktyping the +R's.
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20. September 2008 @ 22:07 |
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I can only agree with Loco as i use multiple Litey's and they burn both (and booktype) very well. The issue lies within the compatibility with your standalone players.
Typically, most standalone players are just fine with -R media. If not, booktype your +R's to DVD-ROM and you're all set.
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22. September 2008 @ 09:33 |
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The answers describing the differences between DVD-R and DVD+R appear to be either incomplete, inaccurate, or both. In order to understand the difference, one must learn a bit about the history of the development of the recordable DVD discs.
1) Pioneer was first with DVD-R, a disc based on CD-R technology but using a different dye. DVD-R was intended for sequential video recording, that is, one video file after another until the disc was full.
2) Panasonic developed a rewritable disc for data recording: ram.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">DVD-RAM. Although it could record video, the format would not work in regular DVD players because the DVD-RAM discs had sector sections written into them (visible as "slashes" around the disc) so that drives could randomly access/erase/rewrite data as in a hard drive. The bigger initial obstacle was its plastic cartridge that protected the disc. The DVD Forum approved DVD-R for video and DVD-RAM for data.
3) Those who objected to DVD-RAM's inability to record standard video and plastic case (which cost more than the disc) encouraged Pioneer to come out with a rewritable DVD-R. The DVD-RW is the result, but it inherited too much from its older brother--it's designed for sequential video recording. You can add data to it, but you cannot erase a file and get extra capacity back. You just keep recording until it's full, then erase the whole thing if you want to resuse it.
4) HP, Philips, and Sony were unhappy with the limitations of both DVD-RW and DVD-RAM, so they developed a DVD+RW that would be a compromise between the two. It had a high frequency signal mixed in with the tracking groove so that the optical drive could use changes in phase as addresses for data (DVD-R/-RW uses physical pits called "pre-pits" instead, and that requires a second laser beam when recording the stamping master--an extra expense.) Formatting a DVD+RW took less than a minute compared to twenty minutes or so for a DVD-RW, and erasure was about 3 minutes compared to 90 minutes for the DVD-RW because the DVD-RW originally had to wipe out all the sectors at slow speeds. And when the fastest DVD-Rs were 2X discs, the DVD+RW was 2.4X.
5) Unfortunately for the DVD+RW Alliance, customers immediately asked for a dye-based version of the DVD+RW disc that they thought would be less expensive. The Alliance complied, with the result that the first buyers of HP's and Ricoh's DVD+RW drives had drives that would not work with DVD+R discs and that DVD+R write-once discs are still stuck with the original DVD+RW Alliance logo.
Since most people use these discs for sequential video recording, there is no significant difference between DVD-R and DVD+R dye-based discs, although some early Panasonic drives and recorders refused to play any disc that had the DVD+ bit setting identification on it. (Panasonic may have been really ticked off that even after stripping the plastic cartridge from the beloved DVD-RAM, no one cared. They tried to prevent any "non-DVD Forum" disc from working on their DVD players, but that only cost them sales; so they finally gave in. Ain't politics grand?) Hackers encouraged drive manufacturers to build in a utility on their drives to allow them to change the DVD+ bit setting ID to "DVD-ROM," the bit setting for pressed discs to get around the Panasonic limitation and around older DVD players whose firmware could not handle a DVD disc that was recorded (their firmware settings were so old that they preceded the possibility of recordable DVD discs.)
There is a real difference between DVD+RW and DVD-RW that favors the plus format. It is still faster to format and erase DVD+RW discs, and erasing files frees capacity. DVD-RW is still a video format that can clumsily handle data. DVD+RW is a true data/video format.
There are a great many little details that I have omitted when comparing DVD-R to DVD+R; but I think that this covers the most obvious, the most significant, and the most understandable differences. A good deal of the confusion comes from political maneuverings behind the scenes that forced competitors to react in particular ways. When one understands the historical actions and reactions in the development of these media, the differences become more clear.
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22. September 2008 @ 10:31 |
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Wow JoeRyan, you really know this stuff. Thank-you for such an informative post!
Some assembly required.
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22. September 2008 @ 14:09 |
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JoeRyan has spoken, nothing else needs to be said
The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
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22. September 2008 @ 20:09 |
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Originally posted by 1bonehead:
JoeRyan has spoken, nothing else needs to be said
I have to agree. It seems he's a Media Expert. That's nice to have someone that knowledgeable on board.
Some assembly required.
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22. September 2008 @ 21:04 |
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At aD, IMHO, JoeRyan is the media expert.
The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
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22. September 2008 @ 21:47 |
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Good grief :(
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22. September 2008 @ 22:29 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
Good grief :(
LMAO
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22. September 2008 @ 22:35 |
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I'm not bringing up the old CMC-MAG debates again... he he he
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23. September 2008 @ 08:07 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
I'm not bringing up the old CMC-MAG debates again... he he he
Me neither.
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25. September 2008 @ 02:12 |
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the brand quality of the media is MUCH more important than the format. Tayio Yuden being the best. I think alot of people think the the DVD plus R format are better because it has a + sign compared the the DVD dash R format with the - sign. however that is completely false.
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25. September 2008 @ 09:22 |
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Pioneer developed the DVD-R format, not the DVD+RW/+R format. Any royalties they had to pay for DVD-R would be paid to themselves.
HP, Philips, and Sony formed the DVD+RW Alliance to compete with DVD-R and DVD-RW. All this is mentioned in the earlier posting. I didn't have to read this information. Good grief! I was there.
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25. September 2008 @ 13:16 |
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i stand corrected thanks Joe
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