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21. September 2008 @ 16:20 |
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what are some of the advantages of debian over ubuntu what's the differance and why is debian 3 or so DVDs large compared to ubuntus 1 cd
And is there a single cd version of debian that can be downloaded
Also what are your opinions of which one is better
I currently have ubuntu 8.04 and want to know if debian is worth it
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varnull
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21. September 2008 @ 16:48 |
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debian walks all over ubuntu for the more advanced user.. full stop..
debian don't do a single cd release because with 30,000 packages plus it isn't possible.. a full debian installation with every possible package and library would probably run to 20+ dvd's.;
the netinstall iso images are the way to go.. everything new and updated to the most recent.
ubuntu is a fork of debian.. it is built from it and made n00b friendly (taking control and decisions away from you) but the best is linux.. no matter what the flavour, so enough of the "what is better" and "which is the best" crap.. linux is what you make it.
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OzMick
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21. September 2008 @ 17:04 |
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Read the download page a bit more closely!
http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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Small CDs
Instead of getting a full 650MB CD image, you just download a CD image file which contains the bare essentials necessary to install the rest. It is necessary to have access to a CD recorder in order to use this.
The following are image files which are up to 180 MB in size, making them suitable for writing to small CD-R(W) media, 80 mm/3.1" in diameter:
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The following are image files which are up to 40 MB in size, making them suitable for writing to business card-shaped CDs (available in differing sizes, e.g. 58×75 mm/2.3×3" in diameter):
http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ (emphasis as on the page, NOT by me)
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Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release
To install Debian on a machine without an Internet connection, it's possible to use CD images (650 MB each) or DVD images (4.4 GB each). Download the first CD or DVD image file, write it using a CD/DVD recorder, and then reboot from that.
The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system.
To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them.
The difference and why it has 3 DVD all the way down to a 40MB version? It gives you options where Ubuntu just installs and only gives you one way of installing it. If you don't have a network connection, having every binary package on a disc is kinda useful. If you have a screaming fast connection, booting a minimal disc and downloading all the most recent updates is kinda handy, saves having to do it once you boot into a working system anyway. You also get to pick and choose every piece of software and configure everything if you want to.
Ubuntu is basically a dumbed down version of debian. There will likely be a bit of a learning curve to picking up debian (you might need to know your hardware and the CLI a bit better), if you're determined it will make you a better user though. But if Ubuntu ain't broke you might just want to wait a month and give 8.10 a crack when it is complete. "worth it" is a personal thing, try installing it to an empty partition/drive and see how you go if you want, it isn't like it costs anything.
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varnull
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21. September 2008 @ 21:57 |
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I tried testing the current ubuntu last week..
Couldn't get the nvidia drivers working no matter what.. total no go.. even the generic "nv" didn't work above 640x480 which is pretty poor seeing as the riva2 isn't exactly new or cutting edge.
Nvidias installer failed on some odd "missing library".. envy insisted on installing the wrong driver, and manually building the thing and loading the module by hand just left a blank screen..
Eventually my messing with it broke it all beyond repair.. experiment over. FAIL.
debian on the other hand runs the legacy driver a treat with no problems.. as it does on this machine with an ati card.. and they ain't easy to install usually.. believe.
conclusion from my tinkering.. unless you have average run of the mill last couple of years hardware ubuntu is going to give you headaches. In attempting to be n00b friendly and keeping it automatic and on 1 cd they are making errors which will put people off.. the very people we want to impress.
debian is a minefield of license and gpl compliance issues. Not for the faint hearted.. and I would say not for the first time user unless you like real steep learning curves (much like slackware.. which I love but gods teeth.. it's a pig).
debian problems are best solved using google.. don't expect any more than a curt RTFM from the debian community ;)
Overall.. I think pclinux may be a little more n00b friendly these days than even ubuntu.. my tinyME installation seems to have become pclinux after trying to get the multimedia side of things working.. as usual I have a hybrid mongrel of a thing... it was supposed to be simple but........... Dr Frankenstein here I come again.
now don't that sound familiar to most long time linux users?
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22. September 2008 @ 10:12 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
my tinyME installation seems to have become pclinux after trying to get the multimedia side of things working.. as usual I have a hybrid mongrel of a thing... it was supposed to be simple but........... Dr Frankenstein here I come again.
now don't that sound familiar to most long time linux users?
i haven't updated my TinyMe machines for a while (after quite a few attempts at installing/configuring TinyMe 2008.0 on 2 or 3 machines i ditched it, unbelievably annoying and unstable. Reverted machines back to the (for me) 100% stable TinyMe Release 7 ie pre-final version. All working again apart from 1 machine where installing some packages destroyed it. Whoops, gonna be lazy and reinstall. I see there's an alpha version of 2008.1 out now, not going to bother, 'fraid i'm probably going to steer clear of 2008.1 final also. Anyways, my original reason for posting was to say i haven't seen any Frankstein behaviour as haven't installed any updates for ages. Will keep my eyes peeled when i do get around to it.
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varnull
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23. September 2008 @ 18:41 |
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Now..that's interesting. could we be seeing some of the results of the M$ buying of whoever they were? was it suse? whatever.. things in the Foss community are in flux.. I'm really glad I know how it all works and that I'm a pretty "not totally satisfied but happy debian and who cares.. I'm a sexy bitch so live with it" bunny.
Hi Mick.. miss talking to you on irc.. maybe you can give me a shout next time ;) I have been offered a job in Melbourne and seek sponsors.
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OzMick
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25. September 2008 @ 05:54 |
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Sigh, too much work lately, and they got some new website filtering crap at work, so I can't post when I'm bored or on my lunch break even (but they allow access to forums.afterdawn.com so I can at least see what is being posted, go figure). They don't seem to know that Google's cache exists for almost everything contraband, but we won't tell them about that ;).
You just had to pick the one state we don't have a site in too, kind of hard trying to justify a business trip into the one state our competitors pretty much own and we've practically written off in the short term... Not sure if I'd be much chop as a sponsor (company offering the job should be enough if you're talking visas?), but can give you some real contact details if you're in need or feel like touring and want a place to stay on the way up the coast at any time.
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varnull
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25. September 2008 @ 11:47 |
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Cheers.. still deciding if It's worth taking them up on it. Been in contact with Aussie embassy here .. snail mail even.. and they think it would be ok, apart from my health problems which may get right in the way. Odd that I can get proper jobs all over the world but nothing in the UK.. shows how stuffed we are here.
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