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Verification error... bad media?
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taiji_ae
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18. October 2008 @ 13:36 |
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Hi all, newbie here.
I recently received a new spindle of DVD+Rs, and so far out of 4 burn attempts, 2 have failed in the verification process. The disc just stops spinning and the program stops moving. I've burned dozens of DVD+Rs before with success, but these are a different brand, so I suspect that's the problem...
I'm using Nero 6.0.0.18 and the discs are Philips DVD+R. Trying to burn data DVDs (video; .avi files). I can post a burn log if necessary, but mostly just wondering about the disc brand and whether I'm out 30 bucks with 100 DVD+Rs I can't even use.
Thanks in advance for any input.
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18. October 2008 @ 15:05 |
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taiji_ae
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18. October 2008 @ 16:21 |
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Ah, thanks for the link. Mine are CMC MAG.M01, which has "good" ratings all around according to the site... so maybe it's not the discs? I've been burning at 16x, which has worked with all the other discs I've burned before, but maybe 12x would be worth trying?
Here's another possibility: instead of burning the files directly from my HD, I burned them from a USB flash drive (8GB). Would that affect the burn success rate at all?
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18. October 2008 @ 16:25 |
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I wouldn't be burning at more than half the rated speed (in truth I never burn a DVD more than 4x).
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18. October 2008 @ 18:45 |
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Originally posted by taiji_ae:
Ah, thanks for the link. Mine are CMC MAG.M01, which has "good" ratings all around according to the site... so maybe it's not the discs? I've been burning at 16x, which has worked with all the other discs I've burned before, but maybe 12x would be worth trying?
Here's another possibility: instead of burning the files directly from my HD, I burned them from a USB flash drive (8GB). Would that affect the burn success rate at all?
I use a lot of CMC MAG.M01, i find them to be excellent and reliable discs, mine are under the Maxell guise. I personally only ever do 8x burning, on 8x or 16x discs, whether on internal or external burners. I also do combinations of the above (and i also frequently burn multiple copies of the same data via various burners too, again, all at 8x).
Now i believe USB2.0 has a top end of 8x (i'm talking dvd burners here as i have loads of dvd burners connected via USB2.0 enclosures but i think USB2.0 in general has an 8x top end anyway).
So if i were you i'd drop down to 8x.. 4x is fine too but i'd start with 8x as you're burning from a USB2.0 flash drive. Some people even do 12x burning on 8x discs but i personally don't/haven't.
edit- i can certainly vouch for Nero's verification feature being less than useless, i hazard a guess that other similar programs are just as bad with verification. Let's be honest, Nero (and other burning programs) can't be trusted to produce a 100% error-free burn even when verification isn't used. I personally would only check a disc via a CRC scan of some description (Nero cd-dvd speed can do this). Another good test is a copy/paste of the data via Windows Explorer, and a fairly good test is to watch the backup movie.
Either way i wouldn't trust a burn program's actual verification of it's own burn..
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taiji_ae
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18. October 2008 @ 20:33 |
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Thanks for all the insight! I tried a couple of discs at 8x and both turned out perfect. I might try to keep that in mind for future burning too, though my system has never had noticeable problems with 16x before (but better safe than screwed). I'll look into CD-DVD Speed for verification too.
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18. October 2008 @ 20:39 |
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Good stuff. In fact i've just run a disc thru a CRC scan as the write buffer was jumping like mad while i was burning via imgburn while also running DVD Rebuilder (i don't normally multitask that much while burning). The disc passed the CRC scan so all's good.
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varnull
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18. October 2008 @ 20:48 |
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I verify them by playing them in something else.. Pointless waste of time with usually crappy results saying fail on a perfect (in use anyways) disk.
My verify is if the burn completes.. stuff the rest.. there are too many "perfection and top dollar media" bigots around.
Good to see the Creakster getting good results from those horrid Maxell disks.. Last spool of 50 I had (provided by a customer.. I would never buy them) made 34 coasters because they failed during the burn.
I find maxell and tdk branded disks work out very expensive when you count up the failures against unit costs.
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18. October 2008 @ 21:01 |
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Yeah i only verify a disc if i know or suspect i've done something to mess up the burn (very very rare that i come across a failed disc though). I've always sworn by the RICOHJPNR03 Maxell's and back when SVP (not SVP's fault but Maxell's) could no longer guarantee whether you ended up with those or the CMC M01's i was very wary of the M01's but obscene amounts of them later i personally vouch for them.
Playback is indeed a very good test, luckily i watch most of mine shortly after burning so would always get early warning of potential problems.
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taiji_ae
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18. October 2008 @ 21:39 |
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Good points on verification. I usually rely on playback to verify them myself too, and I can't remember ever experiencing faulty playback except for discs that obviously failed the burning or verification process (which I don't place full stock in, but it's a guideline, anyway).
I do occasionally run into some burn processes where I can hear the drive making funky noises or whatnot, but to my knowledge if those end successfully they usually playback successfully as well... something I'm always alert for, though. Still, it's always a relief to know that the best verification tests can still be performed by one's own eyes and ears and common sense, and not by spending more cash than necessary (especially when my wallet is starved enough as it is!)
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jony218
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19. October 2008 @ 01:44 |
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have you done a disc quality test on those phillips? in nero go to tools disc quality test. It'll run the disc and give you a percentage. the best discs (sony verbatim) always give me over 90 percent.
I've use phillips before (coded out cmc mag) and they where giving me 0 percent quality on many of my burns, the hightest I got was 60 percent with those.
I'm surprise anyone even rates the cmc mags as a "good" brand. Of the 50 that I burned only about 10 where readable without crashing my computer.
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19. October 2008 @ 05:39 |
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I have used CMC Mag.M01 in the thousands, and the only ones to fail were by my own error.
I personally don't buy into the whole quality scanning thing, i know it's like a tradition over at cdfreaks and some regulars here do it regularly, bt in my book there's nothing to beat a good ole' CRC scan. But each to their own, if it's a good way to see how well certain discs work on different burners then fair enough, it's just something i won't do more than a handful of times.
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bratcher
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26. October 2008 @ 02:14 |
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I've had a few CMC Mag M01's fail to finalize at the end of the disc in my standalone DVD recorder thats hooked up to the cable DVR. Not sure why unless the disc was faulty since most of then finalize fine at the end of the disc which according to DVD Decryptor (used to see the size of the discs for this post) is 4.532GB.
I haven't had that happen with my computers DVD burner & Nero Recode who's max disc sixe is 4.566GB. Nor have I had it happen with Convertx 3 who's max size is 4.494GB.
Perhaps my Samsung DVD burner does better with the discs at the end than the DVD recorder does? It's only been with perhaps 8 discs out of a hundred that failed to finalize.
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varnull
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26. October 2008 @ 05:06 |
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4.566 max size? I get 4.58926 and then fail.. but they still finalize and play.. burned right to the outside edge.. Samsung (moser-baer) 16x dvd-r.... Hmmm.. do we trust our hardware to give us a realistic report on actual disk capacity? k3b didn't ask if I wanted to overburn at the input filesize of 4.59.. so it was happy.. burn error right at the end, then carried on closing the disk and spitting it out as usual... You don't want to know what the film was........ It hasn't come back as unplayable from the customer so it must work for him too ;)
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bratcher
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26. October 2008 @ 11:25 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
4.566 max size? I get 4.58926 and then fail.. but they still finalize and play.. burned right to the outside edge.. Samsung (moser-baer) 16x dvd-r.... Hmmm.. do we trust our hardware to give us a realistic report on actual disk capacity? k3b didn't ask if I wanted to overburn at the input filesize of 4.59.. so it was happy.. burn error right at the end, then carried on closing the disk and spitting it out as usual... You don't want to know what the film was........ It hasn't come back as unplayable from the customer so it must work for him too ;)
Well I suppose the outside edge of a DVD is the worst which why some programs like Convertx don't record over 4.4GB in default settings.
I thought maybe it was my DVD recorder but perhsps it's the media instead since I've only had a few fail to finalize on the end of the disc. All the rest of that hundred pack were fine & I've recorded about 600 of those CMC Mag M01's.
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26. October 2008 @ 11:43 |
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I don't use write-once discs on my dvd recorder as i always run the movies or shows thru DVD Shrink afterwards to remove adverts, so only use DVD-RW on mine (TDK and Imation though i use neither of these in their write-once guise).
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bratcher
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26. October 2008 @ 12:35 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
I don't use write-once discs on my dvd recorder as i always run the movies or shows thru DVD Shrink afterwards to remove adverts, so only use DVD-RW on mine (TDK and Imation though i use neither of these in their write-once guise).
How can you remove adverts with DVD Shrink?
Never thought about using RW's for the DVD recorder. Instead I just burn a + or - R then rip it to the computers HD with DVD Decryptor in file mode. After that I load the vobs into VideoRedo Plus, rip out commercials (or everything before & after a movie recorded off TCM) save it as an mpeg then burn it with Convertx 3. Yes I do toss a disc after it's ripped so maybe I should try RW's to save some money.
How many times (in your experience) can you burn & erase a RW before it becomes unusable?
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26. October 2008 @ 13:20 |
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I think you're supposed to be able to use rewritables something like 1000 times but you'd have to check. Either way i won't use mine any where near that much, though i do randomly pick different discs out of the little binder i keep them in.
As to the adverts i just use Shrink to chop the ads off the beginning and the end, i don't bother with the ones in between. I use the start/end frames feature in the reauthor screen.
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