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Nero - outer edge error(s)
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Scarlet
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14. February 2004 @ 19:22 |
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I burned over a few dozen DVD copies from one's I purchased. I used DVD Shrink -- worked just fine. Now using the same files (from DVD shrink) I can't seem to burn an entire movie without errors. Near the end of the movie -- 100% of the time, I get boxes, lines, and the movie stops and starts.
I'm clueless -- Why would it work fine and then go bad? I don't think it's the DVD blanks I'm using -- I was able to successfully use the same blanks before.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. I've thrown out a couple dozen flawed copies -- it was fun when it worked -- it is drudgery now.
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14. February 2004 @ 19:48 |
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If you had of mentioned what blank media you used it might have helped to give an educated guess as to if it was media that gave you a problem.
It does sound like it might well be media related , as cheap/poor media gives pixelated & freeze errors towards the outer edge of the disc.
Good media to use is anything on the Ritek G04 dye !!;-)
P.S. Did you try burning at slower speeds with the discs that are currently giving errors to see if that allows a better rate of success ?
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14. February 2004 @ 19:57 |
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-- I was able to successfully use the same blanks before.
So I take it this is not the original successful batch but I new batch. I agree that it sounds like bad media. It is also not uncommon for the last few discs of spindle to be bad. I also like Ritek's, been using the G03's for awhile with great results.
Here's a graph from Nero Speed showing a bad disc/burn with problems at the end.
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Scarlet
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15. February 2004 @ 07:38 |
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Thanks. Sounds like my next step is to buy a new spool of DVDs
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Scarlet
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15. February 2004 @ 15:55 |
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Thanks -- Bought new DVDs -- up and running. The bad DVDs are a brand named "Starlogic." Obviously don't recommend them. They were inexpensive -- looks like you get what you pay for. My wife picked up the new DVDs for me both - and +. My burner uses both kinds -- any advantage to one or the other?
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Scarlet
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15. February 2004 @ 16:11 |
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Darn, Darn, Darn! I spoke too soon. The second DVD i tried to burn is characteristically bad at the end. This is a Memorex DVD-R 4x.
Maybe time to buy a new computer. Very disappointed.
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15. February 2004 @ 16:46 |
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siber
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15. February 2004 @ 17:33 |
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I have experienced the same problems with perfect first 3/4ths of the transferred DVD's and then rapid deterioration in the last 2-3 chapters... In the beginning 1-2 months ago when I started to use SHRINK, COPYDVDX, Decrypter,Nero,RECORDNOW, etc every copy was perfect. Although I cannot rule out 'Media' problems, I have used TDK, SONY, PHILIPS, etc..with the same problem. I suspect that the problem is related to having loaded up on so many programs on my computer that too many things are running while I'm burning the DVD's. I plan to dedicate a computer to just VIDEO?DVD programs and report to all of you later. I have Pentium4, 1Gb RAM,875 Intel, 800mgz Bus, 200+ GB storage, WINXP.
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siber
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15. February 2004 @ 19:32 |
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Just want to add intermediate progress report: DVD burn on Ricoh DVD+R went perfect, same film burn to 'TDK' DVD+R led to the same relatively sudden picture degradation in final 2 chapters. VOB files on computer are flawless. So, MEDIA probably play a role. Firmware update could still be issue too, I guess, but doubt.
ALSO NOTE: Lite-on websites for firmware update of 411S and 811S have been taken down without explanation...Anybody have ideas?
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nermal
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15. February 2004 @ 20:48 |
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I've had the same problem a number of times and have usually chalked it up to media problems. I use the latest version of DVD Shrink for my backups and in more cases than I wish to recall I have problems with the last chapter or two on the dvd, things from freezing to skipping, etc. When I do the same backup using the software that came with my MP5240A (B's Recorder Gold) instead of Nero, I have yet to have the same problem (knock on wood). Maybe the packaged software is better suited to my burner? Who knows, but why knock a good thing! Oh, by the way, this isn't a knock against Nero, it just doesn't work as reliably as my original software. Just a thought...
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16. February 2004 @ 04:37 |
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A very nice free burning app is burnatonce (free) it's very handy a worth a shot (it only handles -R's on the video though).
http://www.burnatonce.com/
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autto6
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16. February 2004 @ 05:34 |
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I have found finger prints will give you the same problem(even with new disc's) so check carefully before you handle them.
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siber
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16. February 2004 @ 07:16 |
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Next Update: I was using Liteon LDW-411S with Firmware FSOB when having these defective burns. Finally found latest Firmware FSOJ this morning and flashed my Liteon to FSOJ ( very simple procedure ) and burned the same DVD with the same TDK DVD+R : FLAWLESS! Coincidence?
Further updates to come.
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Scarlet
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16. February 2004 @ 09:42 |
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Better news. The Memorex DVDs are working okay now. The one that was bad has a visible flaw (looks like plastic has an arc in it near the outer edge -- not something I did to the DVD)
I've reccorded a couple more now with success. Anyone know what the advantages or disadvantages are of using + or - DVDs?
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16. February 2004 @ 10:48 |
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There is no advantage , it was due to a blank media dispute that certain companies went off and created +R.
It is known that -R is commonly more accepted by older stand alone DVD Players (unless we are talking about older Sony players).
But in todays world , it doesnt really matter whether - or + (even the PS2 plays both formats just as well) !!:)
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joski
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16. February 2004 @ 13:22 |
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I'd like to suggest shrinking to 4.3 gigs. I saw somewhere this suggestion because (their explanation) the edge of the disk was flawed causing bad laser reflections. Since then I've just burned that way. Its worth a try.
I buy the theory. dropped a store bought disk on edge, little dimple (not even out of clear into silver) movie goes spastic near end of credits (good place)
Currently useing bulk verbatims (ritek-r0101)
You try inserting your disk into dvddecryptor, iso read mode, the panel tells maker usually.
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antons
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16. February 2004 @ 14:01 |
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Have you ever rented a movie on DVD, guess you all have! Older - more used disks, oftend tend to be VERY scrathed on the outer edges - so mabe, it would be good practice to shrink the movie just a 100-200 mb more, to have a "safe scratch area" on your dvd's.. Another thing. Is the actual writing size of disks different, I've compared optodisk's and ritek disks inner circle, and they differ alot.. So, it could be, that some media tries to burn more near the edge than other... just thinking... I guess I should go to sleep now..
-- Shrink the world
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dbminter
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16. February 2004 @ 15:39 |
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Scarlet
I would also avoid the Memorex DVD-R's. I had some of them recently (2x) and they used CMC MAG dye, which is the worst out there, IMO. :) However, 1 or 2 of the 10 discs in the stack burned correctly. The other 8 all finished their burns, but had read errors trying to decrypt the info back off of them.
One of the common qualities of bad discs is problems with data at the inner or outer edges of the discs. With the poorer quality discs, the dye doesn't evenly spread out at the edges, thinning out, clumping together, etc. and tend to decompose quicker. Thus, this often can be seen physically on the disc in the forms of black dots, arcs, etc. I'd say the flaw you described is probably related to this. I also avoid the Memorex DVD-RAM's. Had a 3 pack, and, they each died before the week was out!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16. February 2004 @ 15:41
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siber
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16. February 2004 @ 19:28 |
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Interesting. My TDK DVD stack of 100, bought at BESTBUY is also CMC MAG. Note that 4 burns since flashing updated Firmware has resulted in marked improvement with NO further freezing, blocking, etc,,in last chapters of the films. I think it is important to 1/ use good quality DVD+/-R MEDIA, 2/ to letting as few applications as possible run in the background while burning and 3/ making sure you have the latest firmware for your burners. SHRINK DVD, Nero, DVDX COPY, DECRYPTER, and other software are rarely, if ever, at fault. Exceptions: conflicting software like ROXIO and Nero being present at the same time, just not reading ALL the instructions and other human errors...
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dbminter
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16. February 2004 @ 19:39 |
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There's also one other thing people must not overlook, IMO. That a complete burn, without errors, is only 50% of the total task. :) CMC MAG DVD-R's from Memorex and Optodisc always burned to completion without write errors. But, trying to read the data back, either by playing the contents or by decrypting them, BOTH ISO and each file, may still fail due to an L-CE or some other unrecoverable read error. And, yes, I test both image read and file reads for discs, as I've had ISO reads complete without errors, but, file extracts may fail, due to how each read is performed.
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