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3. June 2009 @ 22:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
OK, so I'm buying a new TV soon (next 7 days).

Basic requirements

42-46"
LCD or Plasma
1080p

There are lots of sales for 60Hz sets right now. I have looked at the demos in the stores, maybe my eyesight can't pick it up, but I don't really see the difference.

I have a Wii, and a Blu-Ray player. Don't watch much sports or anything that (I believe) 120Hz would improve for quality.

I'm upgrading from a Sony 32" XBR4 so what I have is pretty good.

Example: I didn't see any blur or problems with the opening sequence of "Casino Royale" on my 60Hz XBR4.

I know that if I go plasma the 120Hz issue is moot.

Any observations on the 60 vs. 120 Hz issue is appreciated.

Right now the leading contender is a 46" Sharp Aquos 120Hz 1080p set at $1299.00 but the comparable set in 60Hz is $1099.00

Thanks in advance for any opinions/advice.
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3. June 2009 @ 22:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
above 20 fps you aren't going to see any difference on a screen with a fast decay rate.. this 120/200/400hz nonsense is just that...
for 70 years 25 fps interlaced at 50hz was (and still is) more than adequate when you consider that cinema movies are only 20hz and you don't see any flicker with those.. look at teh screen element decay rate.. that's more likely to affect the picture quality with regard to trails and smearing than anything else.
the makers might be trying to say something with 200hz.. but more likely it's a completely pointless figure with no relevance to anything other than penis size of the buyer..
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3. June 2009 @ 23:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Varnull, thanks.

I'll keep my small penis and the $200.00 then.

But then . . . I have to change my user name to "SaiLun"

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4. June 2009 @ 09:17 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
If you set your BluRay player to output native 24fps then it may make a difference.

To demonstrate the advantage of having a 72, 96 or 120 Hz display I use the opening sequence of Sahara (HD DVD) where the camera makes a slow horizontal pan across the room. I have a few friends who are so sensitive to the judder that they sometimes get nausea when I show this on my front projection system.

Having an HDTV that can display at multiples of 24 - 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, etc - can result in a smoother picture especially during these slow pans.

BluRay movies are encoded in 1080p/24fps. However if you choose not to output the video at 24fps then it may not matter.

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4. June 2009 @ 11:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have a Samsung bluray player and I have it set to 24fps, my tv will do 120 mhz it's a samsung also,on alot of scene's I notice something thats looks like a blur or lag,or the biggest thing alot of stuff looks like a Soap oprea,How would I go about setting it up to get a clean crisp picture with no lag or blur?When i hit my info button(On TV)while playing my bluray it Displays 1920x1080@24Hz.And on the bottom right hand corner it displays a needle meter and it is pointing towards Conventional tv,I would think that it should be toward the Led TV.Any help on getting it right.
Originally posted by error5:
If you set your BluRay player to output native 24fps then it may make a difference.

To demonstrate the advantage of having a 72, 96 or 120 Hz display I use the opening sequence of Sahara (HD DVD) where the camera makes a slow horizontal pan across the room. I have a few friends who are so sensitive to the judder that they sometimes get nausea when I show this on my front projection system.

Having an HDTV that can display at multiples of 24 - 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, etc - can result in a smoother picture especially during these slow pans.

BluRay movies are encoded in 1080p/24fps. However if you choose not to output the video at 24fps then it may not matter.
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5. June 2009 @ 21:19 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by yzrider22:
I have a Samsung bluray player and I have it set to 24fps, my tv will do 120 mhz it's a samsung also,on alot of scene's I notice something thats looks like a blur or lag,or the biggest thing alot of stuff looks like a Soap oprea,How would I go about setting it up to get a clean crisp picture with no lag or blur?When i hit my info button(On TV)while playing my bluray it Displays 1920x1080@24Hz.And on the bottom right hand corner it displays a needle meter and it is pointing towards Conventional tv,I would think that it should be toward the Led TV.Any help on getting it right.
Nothing beats calibrating your display.

If you want to do it yourself then you can use the DVE or Avia BluRay disc. I've also been hearing a lot of good things about the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmarks disc. It has some 24fps material that should help you make adjustments to your HDTV.

http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/hdbenchmark.html

If you want a professional to do it then insist on someone's who's certified by the Imaging Science Foundation or ISF.


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6. June 2009 @ 00:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Aside from the fact that yzrider22 hijacked my post, thanks for the inputs.

I'm going with a 46" plasma 1080p or 46" LCD 120Hz model. I plan for this to be the "5 year TV", so I will go ahead and max out my budget.

So, I will keep the foil wrapped zucchini in my pants and my current screen name as well.

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6. June 2009 @ 09:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Wow! I figured that seems how you were asking about the same questions I was wondering about the Hz and etc..and the right people were looking at your thread, I would ask.
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6. June 2009 @ 15:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by dailun:
Aside from the fact that yzrider22 hijacked my post, thanks for the inputs.

I'm going with a 46" plasma 1080p or 46" LCD 120Hz model. I plan for this to be the "5 year TV", so I will go ahead and max out my budget.

So, I will keep the foil wrapped zucchini in my pants and my current screen name as well.

Well there definitely is a difference in the way LCD's look at 120Hz. Live sports look great, but for movies the effect is not to my liking as was noted:
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the biggest thing alot of stuff looks like a Soap opera

This effect can be mitigated somewhat depending on how 120Hz is handled by the various makers.

For me the 1080p thing is unneeded, unless you will be sitting right on top of your set.

I'm a Panasonic plasma fan. According to Consumers Reports Reliability ratings based on 75,000 responses over 4 years Panasonic plasmas have proven to be some of the most reliable TVs ever made. Their 720p line is an excellent value.

At $700 this set is hard to beat at twice the price, and it also handles SD broadcasts very well. The highly rated Samsung LCDs do not deal well with SD and unfortunately we will be living with SD for quite a while.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/f...s_c=site_search

Food for thought :)

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http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/
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6. June 2009 @ 19:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well, I made my purchase this morning.

LN46B650

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detai...=LN46B650T1FXZA

I watched Underworld in Blu-ray on it this afternoon. I'm very satisfied.

Thanks for the inputs.

Yzrider22 can have the post now.
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