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zblazeLOC
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8. June 2009 @ 02:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Im pretty good when it comes to computers but i have never built one but know the inside of one like the back of my hand and i plan on building one within the next couple of months and i have a few questions. Do you think that 600-700 is enough money to build a good gaming computer, and what would you recomend buying. Im really looking into a Intel Core 2 quad Q8200 or should i go with a AMD phenom II X3 720. Also the only thing that im clueless about is putting the heat sink on the processor which i knew nothing about until last night like putting thermal paste and ive heard that the fans that come with most processors suck or is this not true . Could you also give me any advice about anything else you would think i should know

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8. June 2009 @ 10:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
AMD Phenom X3 is a quad core that has one faulty core, best to spend a few bucks more for Quad core.
Stick with AMD to keep your cost down.

I'm running AMD Phenom 9850 with included fan and I have absolutely no problems.

Put thin layer of paste just on the core/s.

Price around for parts, there may be a computer place close by that sells cheaper then online stores.
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8. June 2009 @ 13:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
Beats both the q8200 and phenom II X3.
600-700$ is a great budget for gaming, just get high quality parts and focus MAINLY on you graphics card. Dont waste 150$ on a motherboard or powersupply. a good gigabyte board and corsair psu should do just fine. With that budget look at a card like the 4870 or GTX260.
to anser your heatsink question yes all stock fans suck but all you need is a basic heatsink like the artic freezer 64.
Look up your parts on newegg or tigerdirect.

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8. June 2009 @ 16:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The Phenom 9850 is original generation AMD Quad core, very poor performance compared to modern CPUs, even a cheap Q8200 would destroy it. Fortunately AMD's new stuff is much better.
The best AMD CPUs are the new AM3 generation, which the X4 940 isn't.
Something like this would be my choice:

Q9400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131
4GB Corsair PC6400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
EP43-UD3L - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128380
HIS HD4870 1GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161269
Antec Three Hundred - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
PCP&C 500W PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703015
Sony 24x DVDRW - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030
WD 640GB HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

$746 pre-delivery for a very powerful machine.
If you want to save a bit, you could drop back the graphics card to an HD4850 or the CPU to a Q8300.



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zblazeLOC
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8. June 2009 @ 17:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hey thanks for all your help guys but chubby will i be able to tell where the cores are?

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8. June 2009 @ 17:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
They are disabled. You will never see the 'faulty' core in normal operation. Some boards have the ability to unlock the 'faulty' cores though, sometimes with good success. Turns out the cores aren't always faulty.



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8. June 2009 @ 22:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Lol i meant when i apply the thermal paste to the processor to set the heatsink on top of it sorry for the misunderstanding. And also does the processor come attached to the heatsink? And also should i buy another fan and heat sink if i dont plan on OC because i have absolutely no skill in OC and i wouldnt want to fry anything

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9. June 2009 @ 07:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No, the CPU and heatsink come together, but not attached to one another. The heatsink and CPU are never attached together, they both attach to the motherboard.
I would recommend against overclocking an AMD in any system if you're not using high-grade hardware as the high power consumption is likely to damage the board. If you're using an Intel this isn't such a problem, but again, overclocking does still carry risks. The stock cooler for any CPU is perfectly adequate if you don't overclock.



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9. June 2009 @ 17:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ok and chubby said i should apply thermal paste only on the cores and im not sure what they look like

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9. June 2009 @ 17:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Lol? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Apply thermal paste in a line either horizontally or vertically across the heatspreader of the CPU (the silver bit on the top) like this:






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10. June 2009 @ 14:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ok then i can set the heatsink on top of it? and does the line have to be thin? and last question, since i dont plan to OC the stock heatsink and fan should be fine?

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10. June 2009 @ 14:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yeah you set the heatsink on it after that and mount as per the instructions. The line will come out exactly that thick whether you like it or not, the stuff is very thick, and the nozzle on the tube it comes in will be that size. As long as you don't double back on yourself with it, that's the thickness of the line you'll get. Stock heatsinks are fine if you're not overclocking.



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zblazeLOC
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10. June 2009 @ 16:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
lol i wasnt complaining about the line i was just making sure the thickness of it, but thank you for all your help

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