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ANIMATED FEATURES WITH TMPGENC - HELP!
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TMPEGGED
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3. January 2002 @ 19:14 |
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So far this has been my only problem with the method I use. I take a project from DVD2AVI into TMPGENC, rip, and am extremely happy with the majority of what comes out. The problem lies in the animated features I work with. For instance, Osm*s*s J*n*s had way too much noise for a cartoon. Live features have very little problem. Anyone have any suggestions?
~TMPEGGED
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A_Klingon
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5. January 2002 @ 08:35 |
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I've had horrible luck with vcds of animated cartoons.
I assume you mean noise in the video, and not audio, right?
I made standard vcds of the Simpson's First Season (from the original dvd boxed-set- all 13 episodes) and without exception, they were grainy and artifact-y as hell. Very dirty. Especially where the credits (print) superimpose the main video.
I threw the vcds in the dumpster. (Yes, I was using Flask).
A/V sync was fine; there was no jerkiness-of-motion. But the video quality was unacceptable. I want to try again with the Beatle's "Yellow Submarine" - the digitally-remastered dvd of this classic is so stunning in quality, it brings a lump to my throat, but I just don't think 1150kbps vcd-res is going to cut it, TmPegged.
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TMPEGGED
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5. January 2002 @ 20:46 |
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well Klingon, I fixed the problem... although
you're probably not gonna like the solution :)
I found out that if you use DVD2AVI's 64-bit
floating point rather than 32-bit SSE MMX to
process the video frameserver, animated features look
beautiful!
For animation in Flask the way you do it, you
may want to try the Panasonic encoder JUST FOR
THAT PURPOSE (note the stress. It takes a bit
longer than bbMpeg...
The Panasonic Adobe Premiere Plugin 2.0 is free
and floating around the 'net for your approval.
Or, if you like, I could ftp-it to you at your
convenience, just to give it a whirl. I suggest
trying something small like, say, a single
Simpsons episode, just to see if you like it.
Version 2.51 is what I used to use, but, like I
mentioned before, $89 poorer I found a better
way...
~TMPEGGED
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A_Klingon
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6. January 2002 @ 00:57 |
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Boy oh boy, this is a really hard call, TmPegged.
Four of your words kept bugging me, "animated features look beautiful!" I *want* you to be right (I really do), because if you *are* right, it maybe means I can re-visit the Simpson's cartoons, and indeed, maybe I would be able to make decent-looking vcds of other animated dvds as well.
When it comes to frameserving in general, and DVD2AVI in particular, I really am flying by the seat of my pants because I am not at all familiar with the inner workings of the program.
So, I did what you said. I chose a short 1:43 animated clip from Monty Python's "Holy Grail" 'extra' disc. (disc 2). This clip is not really a cartoon, but it is animation of sorts. It's called "Lego Knights" - a short parody done entirely with those Lego building-block thingees. Specifically, I guess they made a photograph, moved the legos around an increment or two, then took another photo, then ..... (you know, that kind of animation.)
Like you suggested, in DVD2AVI I chose "64-bit floating-point" instead of the default "32-bit SSE MMX". (I have no idea what these phrases mean). I frameserved the resulting .wav and project file into TMP using the standard NTSC 29.97 fps template.
I didn't watch the resulting vcd-compliant mpeg-1 file right away, but went right on to make another copy using my usual Flask/BBMpeg method. I didn't worry about the sound file(s) as I was primarily interested if I could discern any difference in the all-important video quality.
I burned both clips on an R/W disc, popped the vcd into my Sanyo standalone, picked up the remote control, and did some serious comparing.
I really couldn't see any difference between the two, tmpegged. (sigh). Thankfully, the a/v synch was perfect for both copies, but since I couldn't see any difference in the video quality, I made a sort-of 'acid' test. My player has a 'zoom' feature - so I closed in to the maximum. (Zoom +15). At this distance, you can really see the blockiness & artifacts of the vcd format, but although the distortions were of a subtly different nature, I again could't determine which of the two I preferred. In a blind test, I wouldn't have been able to tell you which file had been made with which process.
So, for me at least, the jury is still out on this one.
(But you've got me thinking though). :-)
Much obliged.
-- KlingonAgent --
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TMPEGGED
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7. January 2002 @ 16:31 |
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Glad to see you aren't afraid to Pioneer new ground, so to speak... although "Lego Knights" was probably one of the few Python/Gilliam sketches I haven't seen. !gasp!
I wonder... did you use the YUV mode in DVD2AVI, or the standard RGB? When using YUV I get better results... but since you obviously gave it a fair go and are still dubious to the difference, I guess go with what you prefer!
I would be curious to compare some of your live-action work to my own as well.
~TMPEGGED
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